Trans women athletes fairness question is not going away

[ivor bigun]

On 6/23/2022 at 12:22 PM, Jingthing said:

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Defining transgender women as merely a man wearing a skirt suggests massive ignorance. Its so sad to me that it has become fashionable indeed a blood sport to display such ignorance like a badge of cisgender heteronormative  honor.  Internationally autohoritarian demagogue politicians as varied as Bolsonaro, Putin, and DeSantis are milking such ignorance to stoke hatred and gain or keep in power.. Scapegoats are always politically useful but its not so nice for the people being scapegoated.

just saw this by accident Jing, i and so many others  dont care if someone is gay ,or wants to be a woman if a man and visa versa ,but to be , on and on ,and that there are so many different genders . since man evolved there have been 2 sexes men ,who have a penis and can immpregnate a woman who has a vagina and a womb.thats it honest ,most of us are fed up with it being in the papers and marches about being proud to be gay.  i know you and many others think that a man can  become a woman ,but the very vast majority dont ,sorry if thats offensive to you ,

by the way i see that they have closed down the nhs gender clinic where young kids could change sex ,so many regreted what they had done over the years .

some common sense at last.

 

[Jingthing]

26 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

just saw this by accident Jing, i and so many others  dont care if someone is gay ,or wants to be a woman if a man and visa versa ,but to be , on and on ,and that there are so many different genders . since man evolved there have been 2 sexes men ,who have a penis and can immpregnate a woman who has a vagina and a womb.thats it honest ,most of us are fed up with it being in the papers and marches about being proud to be gay.  i know you and many others think that a man can  become a woman ,but the very vast majority dont ,sorry if thats offensive to you ,

by the way i see that they have closed down the nhs gender clinic where young kids could change sex ,so many regreted what they had done over the years .

some common sense at last.

 

Don't put words in my mouth.

[2009]

On 5/7/2022 at 2:22 PM, Jotnar said:

Men competing against women in sports should be the last straw, for any left who still watch sports

Well, they made their bed...

[ivor bigun]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Don't put words in my mouth.

does that mean you do not believe a man can become a woman?

the way i see it born a man die a man ,no matter what you want or think.

but then i was born in a time when there was no social media and many people had lots more to worry about than stuff like this .

[ivor bigun]

sorry your confused Jing ,must be difficult ,anyway i will leave now as ,its not really my area as you know ,being not gay . have a nice day

[VocalNeal]

Can't compete as a woman if you ever competed as a man.

 

Sorted.????

[jak2002003]

Women want equality.  There should be no discrimination against men or women in sports.

 

Let the women and men compete together...with the transgendered too...and disabled.

 

There is not excuse to tell people they are excluded from a team or sport.  

 

 

 

 

[transam]

I totally agree with Sharon Davis, just listen to her reasons, which are factually true...Well done Sharon...????

 

 

[BritManToo]

On 6/23/2022 at 2:50 PM, KhunLA said:

I have my own opinion why Lia Thomas decided to compete against women instead of men.   This little tidbit may help you understand that opinion of mine.  I guess it sucked losing all the time.

 

...  "According to the swimming data website Swimcloud, Thomas is ranked 36th among female college swimmers in the United States for the 2021–2022 season, and 46th among women swimmers nationally. By the conclusion of Thomas's swimming career at UPenn in 2022, her rank had moved from 65th on the men's team to 1st on the women's team in the 500-yard freestyle, and 554th on the men's team to 5th on the women's team in the 200-yard freestyle"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_Thomas#Penn_men's_swim_team_records

 

I used to compete in Strava time trials cycling up the hill from the Zoo to Wat Doi Suthep.

Competing against men I was ranked number 650, competing against the women I was in the top 10.

Same for trail running (Caffeine trail) .......

 

It was much easier for me to feel important as a woman competitor.

[KhunLA]

Yep ... no endorsements for not being in the top 10.  I await the book & movie rights soon to be sold.

[ivor bigun]

i  should be allowed to compete against disabled athletes as i claim i am now disabled. who is to say i am not?

[ivor bigun]

4 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

i  should be allowed to compete against disabled athletes as i claim i am now disabled. who is to say i am not?

of course i am joking ,but whats fair for one is fair for the other isnt it? 

i cant really understand why all this is happening ,except that todays young people have not much to worry about ,unlike when we were young ,we had virtually nothing compared to them , and so many companys are so afraid of being labeled something or other or cancelled they just go along with the minority.

mind you if another war came along ,this would all dissapear in a flash. 

[ivor bigun]

Just a thought, but how many of you think that if a man transitions to become a woman but retains his penis ,should he be allowed to compete in female sports ,be sent to a womans prison ,be allowed to use female changing rooms ,etc ,etc , i am sure you all know my feelings ,

[Will B Good]

I wonder if the best solution is three categories.....

 

Men

Women

Others

 

Anyone can compete in others.

[TeacherJane]

Without political crap this is not hard to do. Simply because the traits in question, are physical and measurable by anthropometry. Any athlete can be matched with physically appropriate competitor's, no?