Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[HarveyWlc]

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

you have the full horsepower instantly regardless of motor rpm, whereas in an ICE vehicle, the power builds to the quoted hp at a peak and then drops off

That’s one of the things I enjoy about a manual/tiptronic gearbox - having the car in the right gear at the right time. Or in the case of PDK, it already knows which gear you want to be in anyway! 

[josephbloggs]

26 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Ahh sorry Maybe in what ever is your first language "tongue in cheek" was not taught in school.

 

But yeah If I has a coupla lazy mill... the Raptor would be in my garage not the over priced sewing machine.

Sigh. Why do diesel lovers always use childish terms like "sewing machines"? It just shows you have no interest in debating at all, your mind is made up and zipped closed.

Mine was also made up until I spent time with a (fast) EV. Have an open mind and you can be surprised. 

 

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FWIW the Raptor has a crappy 10 speaker Bang & Olufsen system

I didn't know that. I have driven a top line Everest and it had a terrible sound system so I assumed the Raptor would be the same.

The other facts about it being plasticky, slow, noisy and smelly still stand even if it does have a decent sound system.

[In the jungle]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Sigh. Why do diesel lovers always use childish terms like "sewing machines"? It just shows you have no interest in debating at all, your mind is made up and zipped closed.

Mine was also made up until I spent time with a (fast) EV. Have an open mind and you can be surprised. 

 

I didn't know that. I have driven a top line Everest and it had a terrible sound system so I assumed the Raptor would be the same.

The other facts about it being plasticky, slow, noisy and smelly still stand even if it does have a decent sound system.

I have a feeling that Ford make the Raptor specifically for men with small penises.

[In the jungle]

2 hours ago, HarveyWlc said:

Well spotted. Could be quicker to 60 with a full battery at least, shall look forward to seeing the real life performance stats.

 

Not sure if I can post the link, but CarWow has an interesting video of an MG4 X vs the latest gen BMW M2 which is worth a watch.

I watched that. 

 

The MG4X has the aesthetic qualities of a tart's handbag.

[In the jungle]

50 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

I have a feeling that Ford make the Raptor specifically for men with small penises.

Oh dear.  I now see all the Raptor/penis gags were done two hours before I did.

[Andrew Dwyer]

Is the Dolphin having an effect ?

 

MG4 down 100k .

 

[Ralf001]

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Sigh. Why do diesel lovers always use childish terms like "sewing machines"? It just shows you have no interest in debating at all, your mind is made up and zipped closed.

Mine was also made up until I spent time with a (fast) EV. Have an open mind and you can be surprised. 

 

I didn't know that. I have driven a top line Everest and it had a terrible sound system so I assumed the Raptor would be the same.

The other facts about it being plasticky, slow, noisy and smelly still stand even if it does have a decent sound system.

It aint diesel however it is loud when Baja mode is engaged !!

[Bandersnatch]

 

Aion Y price announced in Thailand. FB anticipated price was ฿1m and ฿800k
 

Don’t think they will sell many at that price when you could have car of the year for less

 

 

 

[Bandersnatch]

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Is the Dolphin having an effect ?

 

MG4 down 100k .

 

I saw that as well, but I have just posted the official price a few minutes ago.

 

Remember seeing the same ฿100,000 price reduction posted on FB about Teslas a few months ago and it never happened.

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Bandersnatch

[Andrew Dwyer]

14 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

I saw that as well, but I have just posted the official price a few minutes ago.

 

Remember seeing the same ฿100,000 price reduction posted on FB about Teslas a few months ago and it never happened.

Think you could be right, had a quick browse and couldn’t find this offer stated elsewhere or where I originally found it !!

[macahoom]

13 hours ago, HarveyWlc said:

Could be quicker to 60 with a full battery at least, shall look forward to seeing the real life performance stats.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but I get the impression you think the power of a BEV is dependent on the amount of power remaining in the battery.

 

The only time a BEV does not have full power available is when it enters Turtle Mode. Turtle Mode is a feature which is designed to help you when your EV's battery is almost empty. Depending on the manufacturer, Turtle Mode will kick in once the battery's charge level is below 10% to 1%. Once it turns on, it will try its best to preserve the battery level by limiting the car’s speed and acceleration.

Edited September 10, 2023 by macahoom

[KhunLA]

7 minutes ago, macahoom said:

Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but I get the impression you think the power of a BEV is dependent on the amount of power remaining in the battery.

[JBChiangRai]

10 hours ago, In the jungle said:

I watched that. 

 

The MG4X has the aesthetic qualities of a tart's handbag.

This is the MG4 video 

 

His verdict, unless you're a reader of EVO magazine, you should buy it.

 

I don't think it looks like a tart's handbag.

 

What it has going for it is the MG4's chassis and hot hatch setup.  It's already a driver's car and they've firmed up the already firm suspension some more.  I wouldn't be buying the matt green colour, matt paint is almost impossible to touch up or repair a panel.

 

If we get it, it will come down to price, it could be as cheap as 1.25M if UK differentials apply across the Thai range.

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by JBChiangRai
adjust price calculation

[Bandersnatch]

10 hours ago, In the jungle said:

The MG4X has the aesthetic qualities of a tart's handbag.

I bow to your greater knowledge of Tarts Handbags, but maybe if you had actually driven the MG4 you might have been able to make an informed decision.

 

Turns out most motoring journalists don’t agree with you.

 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Bandersnatch

[BKKBike09]

13 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

14 hours ago, HarveyWlc said:

Thanks. The quoted 0-100km/h is certainly impressive, particularly for the price! The top end at 180kph not so much unfortunately. Any idea as to why they limit these cars so much as they’re obviously capable of going much faster. To preserve the battery perhaps …

 

For reference purposes, here’s a comparison between the ‘slowest’ 992 gen (base) 911 and the quoted performance stats for the fastest ex30:

 

992 (base):

power: 385ps

power/weight: 253 ps/t

0-100: 4.2 (quoted)

0-100: 3.2 (actual, source: fastestlaps)

top speed: 293kph

 

EX30 Twin Motor:

power: 434ps

power/weight: 223ps/t

0-100: 3.6 (quoted)

top speed: 180kph

 

Ignoring the fact that Porsche massively under rate the performance  statistics of their cars, I’d say that the slowest 911 is certainly faster, even potentially in a straight line. Can’t deny that the EX30 is a performance bargain though, interesting times!

 

 

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The 180kmh cap is a global Volvo safety thing, nothing to do with the battery. I think it was brought in in 2020 - they limit all their cars to a 180kmh top speed: petrol, hybrid, electric - and it is part of their pledge to eventually have zero fatalities in a Volvo car. Not sure I agree with it, but I rarely feel the need to go over 180kmh on the road these days (have done it plenty of times in my younger days).

I should point out that although the ex30 is very fast it is kind of ridiculous talking about it in comparison to a 911. A 911 is a pure bred, highly focused, mid-engined sports car. An ex30 is a small family SUV. Totally different beasts, but alas, we do live in interesting times and I am all in favour of them.

Even in comparison to a 911 the EV performance is addictive as it is instant, it is such a different feeling. I rented this beast for 24 hours in Dubai to race up and down some mountains and it was incredible. Faster on paper (0-100kmh in 3 seconds) but there's a lag, albeit small. A fast EV has no lag and just feels faster. Having said that I would take the 488 Italia Spider over the Volvo in an instant. ????

 

Lots of good points in this post.

 

Volvo's 180 kmh limit is nannying nonsense. It's all the more pointless if they're then going to sell a car weighing nearly 2 tonnes that has supercar performance 0-100 kmh. "Speed KIlls" n all that.

 

As you rightly point out, many EVs that can post a quick 0-100 kmh are not designed to be thrown around. Won't surprise me if there are quite a few crashes caused by this. Heavy SUVs handle like, well, heavy SUVs unless you spend a ton of money on suspension, tyre and brake upgrades. The cheap and cheerful Atto 3 will easily do a sub 7s 0-100 kmh but that's as fast as you'd want without all those upgrades. 

 

As to the different feeling of ICE vs EV performance, couldn't agree more. EV instant torque is great but it's hard to beat the sounds of highly tuned engines. 

 

Be interesting to see whether there are ever EV rally cars.

 

 

 

 

 

[tomkenet]

Byd seal prices out 

Lower than I expected 

Edited September 10, 2023 by tomkenet

[Yellowtail]

On 9/8/2023 at 6:05 PM, chacha boom said:

Yes, both SAAB and Volvo was nearly broken in American hands (Same thing with Nokia, although that's another story). At least Volvo was saved by the Chinese. SAAB not so much, yet...

I can't speak to Saab, but Volvo's automotive division was saved by Ford, and then sold to the Chinese. 

 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Yellowtail
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[macahoom]

6 minutes ago, tomkenet said:

Byd seal prices out 

Lower than I expected 

Yes, lower than I expected too.

 

Where did you find these prices?

[tomkenet]

12 minutes ago, macahoom said:

Where did you find these prices?

Byd seal Thailand club on Facebook 

 

 

Some pictures as well.

 

Nice looking ass????

Edited September 10, 2023 by tomkenet

[JBChiangRai]

12 minutes ago, tomkenet said:

Byd seal Thailand club on Facebook 

 

 

Some pictures as well.

 

Nice looking ass????

 

 

 

I hope your "ass" comment was about the car and not referring to macahoom?

[transam]

15 minutes ago, tomkenet said:

Byd seal Thailand club on Facebook 

 

 

Some pictures as well.

 

Nice looking ass????

Is that fake exhaust pipes...................????

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, transam said:

Is that fake exhaust pipes...................????

No it's a diffuser

[Yellowtail]

Just now, transam said:

Is that fake exhaust pipes...................????

Those are rocket boosters...

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Is that fake exhaust pipes...................????

Are your eyes painted on.................????

[Bandersnatch]

32 minutes ago, tomkenet said:

Byd seal prices out 

Lower than I expected 

I hope you are right, but nothing yet on the official page

 

https://www.byd.com/en-th

 

Or the Thai Reseller’s FB

 

https://www.facebook.com/BYDReverThailandOfficial

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

14 hours ago, transam said:

Me too, a loooong time ago........

Ironically in a car that was part Chinese !

[tomkenet]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Is that fake exhaust pipes

Don't think they pretend to be exhaust pipes probably just design. Maybe a bit too much, but looks great in my opinion 

[Yellowtail]

It would be great to hook up a hydrogen system that would ignite and shoot flames out the back when you punch it...

[transam]

9 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Ironically in a car that was part Chinese !

Yet another daft post from Ralphy, shame really, but we have all sorts here.......????

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Aion Y price announced in Thailand. FB anticipated price was ฿1m and ฿800k
 

Don’t think they will sell many at that price when you could have car of the year for less

 

 

 

BMW have a worthy alternative ???? ????.