mistral53 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Not too shabby for a lap-top battery producer.........lol YANGWANG U9 EV supercar—Top Speed of 192 mph (305+ km/h) Blistering 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) in 2.36 2024-0~1.MP4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 3 hours ago, Gweiloman said: No wonder guys like @ExpatOilWorker loves (deleted) like you. Why is "brilliant mind" deleted? 😕 🫤 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, mistral53 said: Not too shabby for a lap-top battery producer.........lol YANGWANG U9 EV supercar—Top Speed of 192 mph (305+ km/h) Blistering 0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) in 2.36 2024-0~1.MP4 What is the range at 192 mph? 8 miles? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 3 new models? Atto Boy Haval Jollygood For the Israeli markets only Haval Nagila Edited March 3 by VocalNeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post josephbloggs Posted March 3 Popular Post Share Posted March 3 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: What is the range at 192 mph? 8 miles? A Bugatti Veyron burns through it's 100 litre tank in 12 minutes at max performance. I imagine this would be similar - why would you expect anything else? (After 15 minutes at max speed in the Veyron you also need to replace the tyres for $42,000.) Edited March 3 by josephbloggs Clumsy typo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 hours ago, Gweiloman said: Actually, I’m a spreadsheet expert. So, you were lying when you said: "Looks like you spend more time filling up your spreadsheet than I do charging my car." because you would know that it would only take a moment, yes? And you were being a dick when you said: "Luckily my car tells me my consumption instantly without needing any spreadsheets." because you would know how much more a spreadsheet will do, and you also likely know that virtually every vehicle built in the last ten years will tell you your consumption. 6 hours ago, Gweiloman said: I was already using Lotus 123 with HAL add-on long before Excel existed. Well aren't you special. 6 hours ago, Gweiloman said: Columns A-H are self explanatory. However column I seems to be exactly the same odometer reading as col C but with a difference of 18,939 km. Col J is also self explanatory ie total amount in litres pumped. Columns K and L don’t make much sense to me without knowing your heading but it could be the cumulative litres/100 km and price per litre over the total ownership of your vehicle. Col I is empty 6 hours ago, Gweiloman said: One important metric you have omitted (arguably the most important one ) is fuel cost per km. you seem to be averaging around Thb 2.6 per km. No wonder guys like @ExpatOilWorker loves (deleted) like you. I have not omitted fuel cost per liter, and it is far from the most important metric, at least to me, for obvious reasons. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 3/2/2024 at 3:56 PM, Andrew Dwyer said: 100k off the GWM Tank HEV https://autolifethailand.tv/discount-official-price-gwm-tank300-hev-thailand/ Haven’t seen any of these in the flesh, anyone ?? Yes, one of my Thai nieces has one (the other one has a BYD Seal). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Knocking 300k THB off the price of a 1.7m THB car does 2 things, it p?ss?s off the previous buyers whose cars immediately depreciate and it destroys trust in the brand from both new & old customers after the initial rush of new buyers. It is a fantastic spec for the price. How does @Gweiloman feel? I think you bought one? I am mildy p?ss?ed off that BYD knocked 50k THB off my 1.6m THB car but majorly p?ss?d off that MG knocked 100k THB off my 969k THB car. MG reduced the price of their PHEV last month by B300K so that maybe a reason why Haval decided to reduce their prices Byd sales in China for February 2024 have fallen by 40% compared to January 2024 sales https://www.car250.com/new-byd-2024-02-1.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Car sales in China are typically weak the first few months of each year....usually take a big dip in sales....been going on for a long time. I guess people don't want to buy cars just before/during Chinese New Year. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/motor-vehicles-sales 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, josephbloggs said: A Bugatti Veyron burns through it's 100 litre tank in 12 minutes at max performance. I imagine this would be similar - why would you expect anything else? (After 15 minutes at max speed in the Veyron you also need to replace the tyres for $42,000.) That is still 50 miles at 250 mph, while the BYD would burn through the 80 kWh battery in less than 5 minutes making it about 15 miles down the road at a way slower speed. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 6 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: What is the range at 192 mph? 8 miles? Of course, performance ice vehicles are the pinnacle of economy… 🤦🏼♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPriority Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 55 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: That is still 50 miles at 250 mph, while the BYD would burn through the 80 kWh battery in less than 5 minutes making it about 15 miles down the road at a way slower speed. Will it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistral53 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: What is the range at 192 mph? 8 miles? You are funny - where's there an 8, 10, 15 mile stretch to run at 305 km/h? That's what I thought, so the range point you alluded to is totally irrelevant. On a more technical note, it is an impressive feat and needs crazy over-engineering for just bragging rights - for an electric car motor to sustain full power and battery drain for anything more than a few seconds is nothing short of a miracle, especially because BYD is using LFP batteries for this supercar. Unfortunately the interior of this car is a disaster - by far the worst design of any BYD vehicle of recent production.......... what were they thinking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunLA Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 27 minutes ago, mistral53 said: You are funny - where's there an 8, 10, 15 mile stretch to run at 305 km/h? That's what I thought, so the range point you alluded to is totally irrelevant. Every one of his posts are irrelevant, why he's on 'that list' now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 What wasn't addressed in the U9 range was the impact of its super "regen braking." My super computer (a Commodore 64 loaded-up with all known mathematical formulas) confirmed the U9 is "almost" a perpetual motion machine. Although at top speed of 300KmH the battery is drained fast once the regen braking kicks in (i.e., drifting for miles & miles after reaching 300KmH) all that kinetic energy converted back to electrical energy allows the battery to recover 97% of discharged energy....that is, the battery gets almost fully recharged. The U9 is ready to repeat its burst of speed-up, drifting, & regen braking over-and-over. My super computer projects the U9 could circle the Earth eight times before that repeated 3% overall energy loss would completely drain the battery. Awesome range with regen braking. And I agree with mistral53 that the U9 interior is a bad (ugly) design IMO....I thought that even before he posted....but maybe that design is to help protect the passengers during reentry (i.e., regen braking). 😄😉😊 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pib Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 But on a serious note regarding how much energy "regen" braking can return to a battery/extend an EV range, below is a snapshot from a Youtube video where a guy calculates how much energy his BYD Atto 3 recovers from regen braking. He came up with a figure of 25% based on his driving in Australia....he indicated he does a lot of stop & go driving....probably similar to my driving here in the greater Bangkok area....the land of stop & go driving. A link to his 4 minute video along with a snapshot of the calculation page walks a person thru the calculation. I did the same calculation for my Atto 3 this morning by plugging in an OBD2 adapter to get the "Accumulated Discharge Energy" number....other required numbers such as kilometers driven and energy consumption per 100Km is available right in the EV's Infortainment New Energy menu where key consumption data is displayed. Anyway, I have driven the Atto 8,735Km and it shows 12.6Km is consumed per 100Km. That means it consumes 0.126Kw per each kilometer. - So, 0.161 X 8735 = approx 1101KWH - OBD2 Accumulated Discharge Energy number of 1531KWH - This is a difference of 430KWH (i.e., 1531 - 1101 = 430KWH - 430 divided by 1531 = 28% of energy discharged came from regen braking. Link to below video (around 4 minutes long).....shows the method of regen braking calculation 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Looks like Thailand New Vehicle "Registrations" for Feb 2024 took a dive from Jan 2024. According to data released this morning on the DLT Statistics webpage Feb 2024 registrations in the RY1 category (private passenger vehicles carrying 7 or less...ICEV, EV, etc) 47,063 new vehicles were registered of which 3,529 being EVs.....this compared to 65,067 in Jan 2024 of which 13,314 being EVs. Yeap, total new RY1 registrations from Jan to Feb dropping from 65,067 to 47,063 which is a 28% drop. And of within that total number EV registrations dropping from 13,314 to 3,529 which is a 73% drop. HOWEVER, BUT, I expect the big EV registrations drop is predominantly due to the the government's EV Subsidy Program 3.0 ending 31 Dec 2023 which required sales made by 31 Dec 2023 to complete the registration process by 31 Jan 2024 in order to receive the higher subsidy amount. So, Jan EV sales/registrations are surely distorted by the more generous EV 3.0 subsidy program ending and being replaced by the less generous EV 3.5 program. That is, a big push to get EVs sales "registered" by 31 Jan 2024 which effectively sapped registrations from near future months Examples of total sales by some of the EV and ICEV manufacturers follow: EV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 BYD 7,806 1,068 NETA 2,013 216 ORA 333 87 Tesla 52 670 Now above was EV manufacturers, but the below ICEV manufacturers registrations fell also. ICEV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 Honda 11,073 9,616 Isuzu 6,904 5,178 Toyota 20,338 16,562 Also keep in mind that vehicles sales in China/Thailand generally dip in the very first part of the year....been a trend for years. Will be interesting to see how EV sales fair over the coming months under the new EV 3.5 subsidy program and frequently occurring big price cuts/promotions. These price cuts are probably going to make many people setback for a while to see how far the prices go down....nothing more dis-satisfying that buying a car this month only to see it new price drop by a big amount the following month under a new promotion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Pib said: Looks like Thailand New Vehicle "Registrations" for Feb 2024 took a dive from Jan 2024. According to data released this morning on the DLT Statistics webpage Feb 2024 registrations in the RY1 category (private passenger vehicles carrying 7 or less...ICEV, EV, etc) 47,063 new vehicles were registered of which 3,529 being EVs.....this compared to 65,067 in Jan 2024 of which 13,314 being EVs. Yeap, total new RY1 registrations from Jan to Feb dropping from 65,067 to 47,063 which is a 28% drop. And of within that total number EV registrations dropping from 13,314 to 3,529 which is a 73% drop. HOWEVER, BUT, I expect the big EV registrations drop is predominantly due to the the government's EV Subsidy Program 3.0 ending 31 Dec 2023 which required sales made by 31 Dec 2023 to complete the registration process by 31 Jan 2024 in order to receive the higher subsidy amount. So, Jan EV sales/registrations are surely distorted by the more generous EV 3.0 subsidy program ending and being replaced by the less generous EV 3.5 program. That is, a big push to get EVs sales "registered" by 31 Jan 2024 which effectively sapped registrations from near future months Examples of total sales by some of the EV and ICEV manufacturers follow: EV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 BYD 7,806 1,068 NETA 2,013 216 ORA 333 87 Tesla 52 670 Now above was EV manufacturers, but the below ICEV manufacturers registrations fell also. ICEV Manf Jan 2024 Feb 2024 Honda 11,073 9,616 Isuzu 6,904 5,178 Toyota 20,338 16,562 Also keep in mind that vehicles sales in China/Thailand generally dip in the very first part of the year....been a trend for years. Will be interesting to see how EV sales fair over the coming months under the new EV 3.5 subsidy program and frequently occurring big price cuts/promotions. These price cuts are probably going to make many people setback for a while to see how far the prices go down....nothing more dis-satisfying that buying a car this month only to see it new price drop by a big amount the following month under a new promotion. Does anyone know why Tesla went from 52 in January to 670 in February I haven't seen any major price reductions from Tesla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Does anyone know why Tesla went from 52 in January to 670 in February I haven't seen any major price reductions from Tesla I couldn't say....but below is the model breakout of the 670 Tesla's registered in Feb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 And here's the model breakout of the 1,068 BYD's registered in Feb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 2/24/2024 at 8:27 PM, Bandersnatch said: His first reaction what the shape of the car. He had never seen one before or even heard of BYD and was quite taken with it. “Looks like a Porche Taycan” Or perhaps the Porsche Taycan looks like like a BYD Seal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 37 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Does anyone know why Tesla went from 52 in January to 670 in February I haven't seen any major price reductions from Tesla Perhaps they were waiting for the model 3 refresh. At the end of last year there were only selling remaining inventory with few colors available. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Pib said: And here's the model breakout of the 1,068 BYD's registered in Feb. Well there’s something amiss because my Seal was registered in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pib Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 19 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said: Well there’s something amiss because my Seal was registered in February. Don't understand your response. The chart shows 302 Seals registered in Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said: Well there’s something amiss because my Seal was registered in February. Remember the below: "If you mean the month compared to it's equivalent month in the previous year? I don't think we will ever see this happen 3 times in a row in our lifetime (in Thailand)." 2024 will be a tough year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Pib said: Don't understand your response. The chart shows 302 Seals registered in Feb. sorry, my mistake, I misread the chart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 11 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Remember the below: "If you mean the month compared to it's equivalent month in the previous year? I don't think we will ever see this happen 3 times in a row in our lifetime (in Thailand)." 2024 will be a tough year. Are we saying Feb 24 EV registrations are less than Feb 23 EV registrations ? I don’t have the numbers to hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Just now, JBChiangRai said: Are we saying Feb 24 EV registrations are less than Feb 23 EV registrations ? I don’t have the numbers to hand According to the Pib Post EV registrations dropping from 13,314 to 3,529 which is a 73% drop. Comparing Feb 2024 figures with Jan 2024 figures as some people on this forum prefer to look at monthly sales figures rather than yearly sales figures 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: Are we saying Feb 24 EV registrations are less than Feb 23 EV registrations ? I don’t have the numbers to hand Pib just shared the numbers '24: February 2023: 5,498 February 2024: 3,529 That is a 35.8% y-o-y drop. Hope you will stay around for another two months. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBChiangRai Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 9 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Remember the below: "If you mean the month compared to it's equivalent month in the previous year? I don't think we will ever see this happen 3 times in a row in our lifetime (in Thailand)." 2024 will be a tough year. 1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said: Pib just shared the numbers '24: February 2023: 5,498 February 2024: 3,529 That is a 35.8% y-o-y drop. Hope you will stay around for another two months. I will stay around, don’t worry, or maybe you should worry! I’m not worried. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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