Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Alotoftravel]

8 hours ago, Pib said:

DC charging rate of an EV can be way overhyped.   Let's take the 150KW DC charging rate of the Sealion with a 91KWH battery.

 

First, to charge at a 150KW rate at person will need to use a 150KW or greater DC charger which are very limited in Thailand.   The great, great majority of DC Fast Chargers in Thailand are 120KW (or less) chargers  with two charging outlets that share this 120KW which means when two EV are charging then 60KW would be the max achievable per vehicle.    And even if there is  only one vehicle at the charger each outlet on that 120KW charger "might still be limited" to 60KW max instead of it being able to pump-out120KW to the outlet---depends on the charger's design.    Using the PTT Station Pluz charging app and setting it to only show their DC chargers with at least 147KW and higher capability there were only 6 locations in all of Thailand on the PTT charging network.   

 

Second, even if a person is connected to some HUGE charger...say a 360KW charger...the Sealion's charging curve will only allow 150KW for "part of its charging process"...the approx 15% to 45% part....between 46% to 85% only approx 80KW max...and then above 85% around 45KW max.  

https://evkx.net/models/byd/sealion_7/sealion_7_excellence/chargingcurve/

 

An EV having a high charging rate capability is a good thing but a person can only take advantage of that higher charging rate if DC chargers exist to provide the required high power....and of course what portion of the EV's charging curve can accept the highest rate because it will "not" be for its entire charging curve from 0 to 100% with current battery technology.

 

 

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia. 

[digbeth]

1 hour ago, Alotoftravel said:

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia. 

not yet and nothing said about allowing third party cars to access the supercharging network

 

which isn't too bad tesla superchargers in Thailand are inconveniently placed in malls instead of on the road side - and since it chages too fast - no body in malls use them as you have to hang around the charger to move your cars in 20-30 minutes otherwise you get the idle penalty for hogging the space - so if you want to grab a bit or actually do shoping in malls it's always better to use the AC charger and take your time 

[Bandersnatch]

I just posted over in the alternative Energy Forum a video about using the small MG battery modules in a DIY home battery setup

 

 

[Pib]

11 hours ago, Alotoftravel said:

can BYD cars in Thailand use Telsa superchargers 250 kw yet. I understand BYD can in Australia. 

 

10 hours ago, digbeth said:

not yet and nothing said about allowing third party cars to access the supercharging network

 

which isn't too bad tesla superchargers in Thailand are inconveniently placed in malls instead of on the road side - and since it chages too fast - no body in malls use them as you have to hang around the charger to move your cars in 20-30 minutes otherwise you get the idle penalty for hogging the space - so if you want to grab a bit or actually do shoping in malls it's always better to use the AC charger and take your time 

 

Yeap...as @digbethsaid not in Thailand yet.   Below are a couple of snapshots  from the Tesla app showing Tesla Supercharger locations in Thailand  for "Tesla EVs" and then "non-Tesla EVs."   

 

1st snapshot is with the app set to show all Tesla chargers available for Tesla EVs.  And then the 2nd snapshot shows the app set to display those Tesla locations in Thailand which also support non-Tesla EVs.

 

1st Snapshot...Tesla Superchargers for "Tesla EVs" in Thailand

 

 

 

2nd Snapshot...Tesla Supercharger locations in Thailand for "non-Tesla" EVs. 

Results: None

 

 

 

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

 

[matchar]

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

 

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

 

Nah, just Tesla supplying customer support, since paying a bit of a premium for their offerings.

 

👍👍

 

Would be nice if offered to non Tesla autos, at least till demand was there for Tesla customers.  Would be smart business for ROI.

[mistral53]

They pretty much threw everything and the kitchen sink at it, or as one commenter succinctly asked:

 

'Autocar surely wouldn't deliberately give a negative review because it's Chinese.
I'd rather hear from owners of the car.'

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

 

Case in point:  ......'and there’s a useful 58-litre frunk that’s slightly fiddly to access.' Are they really that daft in the UK? 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:03 AM by mistral53

[Andrew Dwyer]

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

 

Case in point:  ......'and there’s a useful 58-litre frunk that’s slightly fiddly to access.' Are they really that daft in the UK? 

 

Yes !, is the short answer ( the frunk doesn’t even have a lid on it !! )

 

But at £55k ( 2.4 million baht ) then they are already disgruntled at having to pay another 40% ( my guess ) on top of Thai prices !!

[motdaeng]

2 hours ago, mistral53 said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/byd/sealion-7

 

 

the car tester seems to be a real byd "lover"... 

[UWEB]

5 hours ago, matchar said:

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

 

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

Hourly charges are most likely for AC Chargers, not DC.

Edited Sunday at 11:30 AM by UWEB

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, matchar said:

The problem with chargers in malls etc is they tend to charge higher fees than the chargers at gas stations (which already cost more than charging at home).

 

Most of the mall chargers I see are always empty and some of them even have an hourly rate instead of electricity usage.

 

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'... 

 

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing  bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience. 

 

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall. 

 

 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'... 

 

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing  bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience. 

 

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall. 

 

 

 

 

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'... 

 

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing  bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience. 

 

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall. 

Could always use the slow charging cable (22kWh), by the hour, and gives you an hour to munch or stroll around.

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The issue I see with chargers in the Malls is that they charge the car quickly, then you have to move the car before you are charged an additional 'waiting fee'... 

 

... so, we get to the mall, find a charger, scan the app (register if its a new app of many that we've not used before), then charge, after about 20 mins, we have to return and move the car to another spot or pay an extra fee for parking in the 'charing  bay' - which I think is fair enough for others who may want to charge.... But, its still an inconvenience. 

 

Realistically, this not a big issue of course, as mostly people will be charging at home anyway and not need to charge the car in the mall. 

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Could always use the slow charging cable (22kWh), by the hour, and gives you an hour to munch or stroll around.

 

True...  Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

 

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

 

Do you get hit for 'parking fees' when occupying a charing bay when the car is fully charged ?

 

It's not much (about 100 baht per hour) - from my perspective, its more an issue of not taking up a space that may be needed by someone who wants to charge their car if I'm not using it. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, richard_smith237 said:

 

Do you get hit for 'parking fees' when occupying a charing bay when the car is fully charged ?

 

It's not much (about 100 baht per hour) - from my perspective, its more an issue of not taking up a space that may be needed by someone who wants to charge their car if I'm not using it. 

No, I've never had to pay

[richard_smith237]

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I just stick the cord in the wheel well and go shopping

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, I've never had to pay

 

You've hit social media !!! 

 

 

[digbeth]

8 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Someone was expecting a big rush on Tesla sales or hoping that the supercharger network will be open to non Tesla EV’s anytime soon !!

 

Thai Tesla groups are quite vocal against this partnership - in pattaya the super charger is on the top floor of the beach road mall - useless for anyone travelling long distance that needed the quick charge to drive on - you'd spend half an hour to get through traffic from the hightway, another 20 minutes to meander your way up the carpark

 

there's only a few tesla supercharger with convenient roadside access - Central mall had hoped to attract tesla drivers to their mall by trying to be exclusive with the deal but 20-30minutes fast charge aren't really compatible with mall using behavior  

[Pib]

21 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

True...  Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

 

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

 

 

 

 

Based on what I've seen in many malls, like Central Malls, AC Type 2 (a.k.a., slow charger) are predominately what you will see in many malls.   Yes, quite a few malls also have CCS/DC Fast Chargers also, but I think the AC slow chargers greatly outnumber the number of DC chargers in malls.  Maybe because the malls have limited space and available power for the bulky/big/high power DC chargers and the malls figure many mall customers many times may  want a slower charging process as they spend a couple of hours in the mall dining, seeing a movie, just taking their time shopping....don't want to have to run out after 30 minutes to move the car to a new parking space. 

 

Below is a partial quote from a website listing chargers in  some Central malls around Thailand....I cleaned it up a little by deleting some parts/malls that didn't define what type of charger (i.e., AC slow or DC fast) was in the mall.   Anywhere you'll see "Type 2" below means an AC slow charger; CCS a fast charger.

 

https://www.motorist.co.th/en/article/2728/list-of-ev-charging-stations-in-shopping-malls-2024

 

• CentralWorld
  • Tesla Supercharger at B1 floor, located at parking spots G36 - G37 and F36 - F38
  • On | ion EV Charging Station at B1 floor, located at parking spots P30 - Q33
  • Evolt electric vehicle charging station with Type 2 connectors at B1 floor, located at parking spots Q26 - Q28 and P27 - P28

• Central Village Suvarnabhumi
  • Outdoor parking area adjacent to Phra Phrom Shrine, electric vehicle charging station with Type 2 connectors (12 spots), CCS/SAE (8 spots), and Tesla Supercharger
•  
• Central Grand Rama 9
  • Parking area at G floor, slot E
  • Parking area at 3rd floor - ½, Type 2 (11 spots)
  • Parking area at 3B floor, Type 2 (10 spots)
• Central Eastville
  • Parking area at G floor, zone F16, Type 2 (13 spots)
  • Parking area at B1 floor, Type 2 (4 plots)
• Central Westgate
  • Parking area at G floor, zone G17
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
•  
• Central Ladprao
  • Parking area at 1st floor, zone C14
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, zone E20 - E24, Type 2 (11 spots)
  • Parking area at 3rd floor, Tesla Supercharger V3 (11 spots)
• Central Pinklao
  • Parking area at G floor, zone D03 - D06, Type 2 (12 spots)
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, zone E4
• Central Rama 2
  • Parking area at G floor, Type CCS/SAE (8 spots)
  • Parking area at 1st floor, Sun Zone, zone A07, Type 2 (8 spots)
• Central Rama 3
  • Parking area at G floor, near the mall entrance
  • Parking area at G floor, Type CCS/SAE (4 spots)
  • Parking area at 3rd floor, Type 2 (8 spots)
• Central Chaengwattana
  • Parking area at 3rd floor, Building B, zone A04, Type 2 (9 spots)
• Central Rattanathibet
  • Parking area at 3rd floor, zone P6
• Central Sala Ya
  • Parking area at LG floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
• Central Chonburi
  • Parking area at G floor, VIP Car zone
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
• Central Pattaya Beach
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, zone D07, Type 2 (12 spots)
• Central Marina
  • Type 2 (6 spots)
• Central Sriracha
  • Parking area at LG floor, zone N07 - N09, Type 2 (7 spots)
  • Parking area at G floor, Type 2 (10 spots)
• Central Rayong
  • Parking area at G floor, zone M12 - M14, Type 2 (12 spots)
•  
• Central Chiang Rai
  • Type 2 (7 spots)
•  
• Central Phuket Festival
  • Type 2 (10 spots)
• Central Hat Yai
  • Parking area at G floor, Type 2 (12 spots)
• Central Nakhon Si Thammarat
  • Type 2 (8 spots)
•  
• Central Khon Kaen
  • Parking area at 1st floor, zone C01, Type 2 (12 spots)
• Central Udon Thani
  • Parking area at 1st floor, zone 3A
  • Parking area at 2nd floor, zone OE-OF, Type 2 (10 spots)
• Central Ayutthaya
  • Parking area at LG floor, Type 2 (7 spots)
  • Parking area at B1 floor, Type CCS/SAE (8 spots)
• Central Phitsanulok
  • Type 2 (8 spots)

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

 

Based on what I've seen in many malls, like Central Malls, AC Type 2 (a.k.a., slow charger) are predominately what you will see in many malls.   Yes, quite a few malls also have CCS/DC Fast Chargers also, but I think the AC slow chargers greatly outnumber the number of DC chargers in malls.  Maybe because the malls have limited space and available power for the bulky/big/high power DC chargers and the malls figure many mall customers many times may  want a slower charging process as they spend a couple of hours in the mall dining, seeing a movie, just taking their time shopping....don't want to have to run out after 30 minutes to move the car to a new parking space. 

 

Below is a partial quote from a website listing chargers in  some Central malls around Thailand....I cleaned it up a little by deleting some parts/malls that didn't define what type of charger (i.e., AC slow or DC fast) was in the mall.   Anywhere you'll see "Type 2" below means an AC slow charger; CCS a fast charger.

 

https://www.motorist.co.th/en/article/2728/list-of-ev-charging-stations-in-shopping-malls-2024

 

[clipped]

 

 

Good info...   That makes a lot more sense.... 

 

I'm basing my information of limited info of personal visits...

 

For example: Blue Port in Hua Hin - I just checked and saw that it has 2x CCS2 and 1x Type 2 chargers...

 

I'm assuming the Type 2 charger was occupied when I was there, which I why I didn't see it and only noted the CCS2 chargers... 

 

Also, I saw Tesla chargers (which I assumed were slower AC type chargers) on the 2nd floor of the car park, and outside there were 3x Tesla Super Chargers (clearly Tesla going all-in on charger support at this mall).

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

True...  Does every mall have the slower charger option ?

 

When I last visited a Mall it only had the CCS2 chargers and I had to go out and move the car.

 

 

Most do, and apps will have that info.

 

Don't think I'd make a special trip to a mall, to charge.  Only if there already, and it certainly wouldn't be a Central Mall, unless extreme off hours.

Edited Sunday at 02:56 PM by KhunLA

[KhunLA]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You've hit social media !!! 

 

 

Excellent way to get you car 'keyed' 👍

[matchar]

 

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

 

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

[Andrew Dwyer]

49 minutes ago, matchar said:

 

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

 

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

Compared to the Seal the range is well down with same PS, Nm and battery size, also 0-100 slower,wonder what the contributing factor for this, drag coefficient maybe or total weight ?

Edited 6 hours ago by Andrew Dwyer

[Pib]

32 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Compared to the Seal the range is well down with same PS, Nm and battery size, also 0-100 slower,wonder what the contributing factor for this, drag coefficient maybe or total weight ?

 

The Sealion 7 is a bigger and heavier car than the Seal.

 

Sealion 7

 

 

Seal