Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[khunphil]

Anything on the BYD mini... Coming to Thailand? 

[Andrew Dwyer]

44 minutes ago, khunphil said:

Anything on the BYD mini... Coming to Thailand? 

Do you mean the BYD Seagull ( called the Dolphin Mini in some markets ) ?

 

 

In which case I don’t know, maybe the Motor Show will shed some light on this although the focus will be on Sealion 07 .

 

Seems like it has been talked about for a while already but who knows maybe it will come, same for the Shark pickup, seems like Thailand has a market for both.

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Do you mean the BYD Seagull ( called the Dolphin Mini in some markets ) ?

 

 

In which case I don’t know, maybe the Motor Show will shed some light on this although the focus will be on Sealion 07 .

 

Seems like it has been talked about for a while already but who knows maybe it will come, same for the Shark pickup, seems like Thailand has a market for both.

Imported EV pickup trucks no subsidy

Thai locally builtEV  pickup trucks B100K subsidy until the end of 2027

[motdaeng]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:12 PM, matchar said:

 

It seems we will only get the 400V version of the BYD Sealion in Thailand too if the DC charging caps at 150 kW. The Thai version of the Geely EX5 also has a lower energy density battery and only 110 kW max charging.

 

All quite disappointing really...looks like we will have to wait another year for a reasonably priced 800V EV like what is available in China right now.

 

i just sat in the new byd sealion 07, but i haven’t been able to test drive it yet. since i prefer a more upright seating position because of my back, my head was only about 3 cm from the roof ! the seating position felt a bit strange and definitely too high for me. i didn’t have this problem with the byd seal. maybe it’s worth waiting for the new 2025 seal or some other models instead ...  

[Pib]

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

i just sat in the new byd sealion 07, but i haven’t been able to test drive it yet. since i prefer a more upright seating position because of my back, my head was only about 3 cm from the roof ! the seating position felt a bit strange and definitely too high for me. i didn’t have this problem with the byd seal. maybe it’s worth waiting for the new 2025 seal or some other models instead ...  

Probably due to the different style of seating between a "SUV" type vehicle (like the Sealion 7) which typically offers a higher setting feel compared to a "sedan/saloon" type vehicle (like the Seal) which typically offers a lower setting feel.     What's your approx height?

[Bandersnatch]

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

i just sat in the new byd sealion 07, but i haven’t been able to test drive it yet. since i prefer a more upright seating position because of my back, my head was only about 3 cm from the roof ! the seating position felt a bit strange and definitely too high for me. i didn’t have this problem with the byd seal. maybe it’s worth waiting for the new 2025 seal or some other models instead ...  

 

Did you try a test drive in the BYD M6? It's half the price of my Seal but has 3 rows of seats and is a full EV with LFP and V2L it would make a great second car for us if we didn't already have an MG HS PHEV

 

I posted about it here:

 

 

[motdaeng]

38 minutes ago, Pib said:

Probably due to the different style of seating between a "SUV" type vehicle (like the Sealion 7) which typically offers a higher setting feel compared to a "sedan/saloon" type vehicle (like the Seal) which typically offers a lower setting feel.     What's your approx height?

 

i'm 183 cm tall, and when the glass roof sunshade is closed, it feels even more cramped.

on bumpy roads at higher speeds, i might have to lower my head a bit ... 

 

i think the main problem isn't my height, it's more because of my unusually upright seating position (my bad again!) ...

[motdaeng]

38 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Did you try a test drive in the BYD M6? It's half the price of my Seal but has 3 rows of seats and is a full EV with LFP and V2L it would make a great second car for us if we didn't already have an MG HS PHEV

 

thanks for the tip / recommendation. i haven't driven the byd m6 ... we already have two cars, one of which is a fairly spacious, smaller family car ...

that's why the m6 is not an option for us.  i'm also looking for an electric car that offers a bit of driving fun ... 

 

maybe a visit to the motor expo would help a difficult car buyer (like myself) to come closer to a decision ... to buy or to wait a little bit longer 

[KhunLA]

11 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

i'm 183 cm tall, and when the glass roof sunshade is closed, it feels even more cramped.

on bumpy roads at higher speeds, i might have to lower my head a bit ... 

 

i think the main problem isn't my height, it's more because of my unusually upright seating position (my bad again!) ...

I got plenty of headroom in our MG ZS, although the seat is all the way back, so leg room might not be enough for you.  I sit fairly straight up, especially compared to the wife's seating position.

 

I'm 177 cm, and leg room is just enough for me.   Don't know about sporty though, but definitely fun.

 

I wouldn't drive the ICE version like I drive the BEV version, as a bit top heavy.  The battery really makes it more stable when playing.  BEVs are hard to topple over because of the low, heavy, center of gravity.   Definitely fun, but still only 8+ secs to 100 kph.

 

I usually only drive in 'ECO' mode, 'normal' and especially 'Sport'  mode is definitely noticeably faster.   Really to fast for around town, and I really don't need to get to highway speed that fast anyway.  Without trying, I notice I pull away from everyone at traffic lights, though since I do the speed limit on highways, they eventually pass me 

 

Roomy for a family, even though a small SUV.  No kid now, but we take the whole house with us when O&A 🙄

[matchar]

Up to 399,100 baht discount today – 31 December 2024

Comes with Rever Care package including:

 

Special interest rate 1.88% when down payment 25%, installments 48 months

First class insurance with compulsory insurance for 1 year

Maintenance service, labor cost, spare parts cost for 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Vehicle warranty (Waranty) 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Battery warranty 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

24-hour emergency assistance service for 8 full years

ABB brand home charger with installation

Electrical Extension Cords or VTOL

AC Portable Charger

Vehicle registration fee

Rubber sheet, license plate frame, screen film

[motdaeng]

28 minutes ago, matchar said:

Up to 399,100 baht discount today – 31 December 2024

Comes with Rever Care package including:

 

Special interest rate 1.88% when down payment 25%, installments 48 months

First class insurance with compulsory insurance for 1 year

Maintenance service, labor cost, spare parts cost for 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Vehicle warranty (Waranty) 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Battery warranty 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

24-hour emergency assistance service for 8 full years

ABB brand home charger with installation

Electrical Extension Cords or VTOL

AC Portable Charger

Vehicle registration fee

Rubber sheet, license plate frame, screen film

 

thanks for posting. please note that the nice discount ends on december 10, 2024 (last day of the motor expo), not on the 30th. ...

 

[Pib]

2 hours ago, matchar said:

Up to 399,100 baht discount today – 31 December 2024

Comes with Rever Care package including:

 

Special interest rate 1.88% when down payment 25%, installments 48 months

First class insurance with compulsory insurance for 1 year

Maintenance service, labor cost, spare parts cost for 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Vehicle warranty (Waranty) 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

Battery warranty 8 years or 160,000 kilometers

24-hour emergency assistance service for 8 full years

ABB brand home charger with installation

Electrical Extension Cords or VTOL

AC Portable Charger

Vehicle registration fee

Rubber sheet, license plate frame, screen film

Seems the cut throat pricing and price war is still in full swing.

[Pib]

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

 

thanks for posting. please note that the nice discount ends on december 10, 2024 (last day of the motor expo), not on the 30th. ..

Based on BYD's past "limited time only" price reductions/promotions" (which turn out to be much long running promotions or even lower prices) I wouldn't be surprised to see this promotion pricing become the new baseline price after 10 Dec....or another "year end sale" promotion is announced maintaining the price.  Can sure make potential customers gun-shy in buying an EV due to continued price cutting. 

[marino28]

Many discounts at the motor expo 

[motdaeng]

4 minutes ago, Pib said:

Can sure make potential customers gun-shy in buying an EV due to continued price cutting. 

 

i don't think we'll see much more price cuts from byd thailand in the next few months ... this prices are now only slightly higher than in china  ... 

[vinny41]

23 minutes ago, Pib said:

Seems the cut throat pricing and price war is still in full swing.

It was reported in the news that they are clearing out Imported stock as Thai version of the seal will be released shortly further price reduction  on  imported atto 3

BYD Atto3 (MY2024) 100% electric car

Official price (CBU imported from China)

Atto 3 410 Dynamic  899,900 759,900 baht

Atto 3 480 Extended Range  1,049,900  899,900 baht

* 140,000 baht discount on the Atto3 410 Dynamic model from 899,900 to 759,900 baht and 150,000 baht discount on the Atto3 480 Extended Range model from 1,049,900 to 899,900 baht, Motor Expo 2024 campaign.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-byd-atto3-discount-motor-expo-2024/

 

[vinny41]

4 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i don't think we'll see much more price cuts from byd thailand in the next few months ... this prices are now only slightly higher than in china  ... 

Bloomberg reported that China's leading electric carmaker BYD has asked suppliers to accept "further price cuts" next year , a sign that the EV maker is bracing for a more intense price war in 2025 .

A partial screenshot of an email purporting to be from a Shenzhen-based auto giant went viral on social media on Wednesday (Nov 27), demanding a 10% price cut for an unnamed supplier from January, which turned out to be from BYD .

https://www.bangkokbiznews.com/world/1155489

[Pib]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

It was reported in the news that they are clearing out Imported stock as Thai version of the seal will be released shortly further price reduction  on  imported atto 3

BYD Atto3 (MY2024) 100% electric car

Official price (CBU imported from China)

Atto 3 410 Dynamic  899,900 759,900 baht

Atto 3 480 Extended Range  1,049,900  899,900 baht

* 140,000 baht discount on the Atto3 410 Dynamic model from 899,900 to 759,900 baht and 150,000 baht discount on the Atto3 480 Extended Range model from 1,049,900 to 899,900 baht, Motor Expo 2024 campaign.

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-byd-atto3-discount-motor-expo-2024/

 

Looks like the Atto promotion/price reduction does "not" include a free wall charger with installation which is worth around Bt25K (or more depending on installation costs).

[Pib]

32 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

i don't think we'll see much more price cuts from byd thailand in the next few months ... this prices are now only slightly higher than in china  ... 

Who's  to say the pricing in China will not continue to drop which is turn drive continued price cuts outside of China like in Thailand? 

 

And these price's cuts on the BYD Seal are HUGE!!!   If I was a person who bought a Seal over the last few months I would be livid!!!!  

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Pib

[Pib]

37 minutes ago, marino28 said:

Many discounts at the motor expo 

And typically price discounts during motor show events also apply at any dealership in the country.....no need to actually attend the motor expo to get the discount.

[UWEB]

7 minutes ago, Pib said:

Who's  to say the pricing in China will not continue to drop which is turn drive continued price cuts outside of China like in Thailand? 

 

And these price's cuts on the BYD Seal are HUGE!!!   If I was a person who bought a Seal over the last few months I would be livid!!!!  

 

 

I have bought a Seal some month ago, but even after another price cut I will keep on sleeping well.

[Pib]

See weblink below for full 28 Nov 2024 news article...partial quote from article also below.

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2910632/car-trade-in-plan-deemed-insufficient

 

Car trade-in plan deemed insufficient

Industry skeptical that incentives proposed by government will revive slumping auto sales

 

A government plan to launch a car trade-in programme is meant to revive domestic car sales, but car manufacturers and industry observers say it might not be enough, requesting more new measures to end the long slump.

 

They are hopeful for improved car sales during the 12-day Thailand International Motor Expo, which starts on Friday.

Industry Minister Akanat Promphan acknowledged automakers’ concerns over the nosedive in domestic sales as he presided at the 41st annual car event, being held at Impact Challenger in Nonthaburi.

 

....

 

[JBChiangRai]

Battery prices were forecast to drop about 50% this year, I think this is one of the major reasons we are seeing price cuts.  I doubt these cuts will be temporary.

[matchar]

11 hours ago, motdaeng said:

 

i don't think we'll see much more price cuts from byd thailand in the next few months ... this prices are now only slightly higher than in china  ... 

But in China they get the 800V EVO platform on the Seal and it's still cheaper than the old version they sell here.

[vinny41]

7 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Battery prices were forecast to drop about 50% this year, I think this is one of the major reasons we are seeing price cuts.  I doubt these cuts will be temporary.

Once the oversupply issue has been resolved  should expect a price increase of between 10-15% due to higher manufacturing for EV manufacturing in Thailand

Last year the price of a battery pack fell by 10-14%, said the FTI.

As total car sales in Thailand decline, EV manufacturers, particularly those from China, need to carefully manage their production costs, including expensive EV components and the high cost of energy bills in Thailand, said Mr Shen.

The prices of domestically sourced car parts for EV assembly are typically 10-15% higher than those produced in China, he said.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2904017/raft-of-issues-hindering-ev-industry

 

[carlyai]

I have been considering the 2025 BWD  Sealion with the new body configuration/battery. I read that the range is about 530km.

Just started looking as we need to replace our 2014 Honda CRV, but looked at a newer Honda CRV and the price seems too much and the trade-in was dismal.

Just started looking and really don't know much.

[Pib]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Once the oversupply issue has been resolved  should expect a price increase of between 10-15% due to higher manufacturing for EV manufacturing in Thailand

Last year the price of a battery pack fell by 10-14%, said the FTI.

As total car sales in Thailand decline, EV manufacturers, particularly those from China, need to carefully manage their production costs, including expensive EV components and the high cost of energy bills in Thailand, said Mr Shen.

The prices of domestically sourced car parts for EV assembly are typically 10-15% higher than those produced in China, he said.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/2904017/raft-of-issues-hindering-ev-industry

 

While I have no doubt that any EV parts/components "actually made in Thailand" would cost more than EV parts made in China I doubt a lot of EV parts/components are actually "made" in Thailand at this time.  Instead, currently EV production in Thailand like the BYD new factory in Rayong Thailand is predominately an "assembly" factory where parts/assemblies made elsewhere (like in China) are shipped to Thailand and then "assembled" in Thailand.  To get more technical the BYD plant in Thailand is really a "CKD" factory at this time where CKD stands for "Completely Knocked Down" where the vehicle is "assembled" from parts/assemblies made elsewhere like in China.

 

 

 

https://www.wapcar.my/news/byd-opens-first-ckd-plant-in-south-east-asia-in-thailand-celebrates-with-price-cuts-for-atto-3-dolphin-of-up-to-rm-44k-80348

BYD opens first CKD plant in South East Asia in Thailand; celebrates with price cuts for Atto 3, Dolphin

 

 

[marino28]

9 hours ago, matchar said:

But in China they get the 800V EVO platform on the Seal and it's still cheaper than the old version they sell here.

Yes in China they get the 800V Evo platform 

 

and Also next year the new blade battery is coming. 
 

https://cnevpost.com/2024/11/25/byd-to-launch-next-gen-blade-battery-2025/

 

maybe that is why they are also cutting the price quicky . The car of today is going to obsolete very soon 

Edited 2 hours ago by marino28

[JBChiangRai]

16 minutes ago, marino28 said:

Yes in China they get the 800V Evo platform 

 

and Also next year the new blade battery is coming. 
 

https://cnevpost.com/2024/11/25/byd-to-launch-next-gen-blade-battery-2025/

 

maybe that is why they are also cutting the price quicky . The car of today is going to obsolete very soon 

I wouldn’t use the word obsolete, I think we will see incremental improvement, but at no time will we see obsolescence.

[Pib]

BYD Vehicle Promotion Prices during the 28 No -10 Dec 2024 Motor Expo Show.