Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Pib]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

One person in one of the brand facebook groups has placed reservations  for 5 of the same model  as the brand in question announced last week  that after the motor show closed they wouldn't be accepting any new reservations until January 2025

When EV 3.0 subsidy was announced in 2022 and there was long waiting lists for EV sometimes 9+ months there were people selling their reservations for a profit the price depended on colour of vehicle and the  reservation raking (How close they were to getting their vehicle) of the seller

I assume they will be a market for people willing to buy an existing reservation rather than wait until January 2026

 

Interesting...pretty similar to ticket scalping.   Didn't know booking/reserving a  new car could work the same way....guess it all depends on the legal words in on the booking document as to if the booking can be transferred to another person.  And of course car manufacturers/dealers don't care who they sell the car to....the original booker or a person the booking is transferred to.   People can figure out how to make money in the most unexpected and interesting ways. 

[Gweiloman]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Wow, that's amazing.

But BEVs are a fad and people don't want them of course.

Good one 🙂

 

The reality of course is that people are starting to realise the numerous advantages an EV has over traditional ICEVs for normal day to day driving and if they have access to home charging which I believe the majority of car owners in Thailand do. I believe that pretty soon, the sales of EV passenger saloons/sedans/hatchbacks/SUVs will outnumber ICEVs by 2:1. The exception will be sales of pickups which some people still prefer.

[carlyai]

If you want to limit your car charging to 80% at home, is there a facility to do this or does it depend on the wall charger you have?

[liddelljohn]

Second hand values  on 2 year old  EVs are down 60% of purchase value in EU and UK  thats massive ,, dealer wont take even 3 year old EVs in for trade in and the banks and auto lease finance companies have lost over £ 1.3   on EVs in last 18 months  in UK alobe  ...80% of EVs are forced on company drivers and leess then 20% are private sales .. Its a financial disaster .The manufacturers have 1000s of unsold unwanted EVs wheras  they cant keep up demand for Petrol cars ,, Tesla alone has over 100,000 unsold cars in Inventory  rotting around the world .

[UWEB]

4 hours ago, liddelljohn said:

Second hand values  on 2 year old  EVs are down 60% of purchase value in EU and UK  thats massive ,, dealer wont take even 3 year old EVs in for trade in and the banks and auto lease finance companies have lost over £ 1.3   on EVs in last 18 months  in UK alobe  ...80% of EVs are forced on company drivers and leess then 20% are private sales .. Its a financial disaster .The manufacturers have 1000s of unsold unwanted EVs wheras  they cant keep up demand for Petrol cars ,, Tesla alone has over 100,000 unsold cars in Inventory  rotting around the world .

And you believe ICE's get sold like hot Cake? Just have a look for the European, US American and Japanese Car Industrie, they are all in trouble.

[Andrew Dwyer]

6 hours ago, carlyai said:

If you want to limit your car charging to 80% at home, is there a facility to do this or does it depend on the wall charger you have?

This on Seal but possibly same on Sealion:

 

Energy - Charging settings - Smart Charging 

Choose time to start and finish ( or to 100% ), not possible to set to 80% finish but a rough time calculation would suffice.

 

[JBChiangRai]

6 hours ago, carlyai said:

If you want to limit your car charging to 80% at home, is there a facility to do this or does it depend on the wall charger you have?

 

Some wall chargers do know the SoC (State of Charge) of the battery, so it follows a wall charger could stop charging at 80%, however, I've never seen that facility on a wall charger, maybe some have it.

[carlyai]

There are about 5 chargers on Lazada I would be interested in charging the EV from the garage.

Some are 7KW single phase and some 22KW 3 phase but can charge using 1 phase.

I'm torn between buying a 7KW charger initially then upgrading to the 22KW when our 3 phase is re-routed to the garage. 

Probably better to spend the extra money on a 3 phase charger then it's all ready installed.

Do you really need a 22KW home charger or is a 7KW overnight (9 hours) good enough?

What's your experience and what are the good brands?

Would BYD negate the warranty if you don't buy their charger?

Thanks

[carlyai]

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Some wall chargers do know the SoC (State of Charge) of the battery, so it follows a wall charger could stop charging at 80%, however, I've never seen that facility on a wall charger, maybe some have it.

Thanks, so like in your posts before, you charge to 100%?

At 79yrs old this is like I'm learning at 1st Year Engineering College again, but there's a big difference between the 18 year old brain and the Leo aged brain. 🙂

[JBChiangRai]

Some cars can charge at 11Kw on 3 phase, I think I read the new Sealion does.  I would definitely buy the 3 phase 22Kw wall box that's capable of 7Kw single phase. 

 

I think we will see more and more cars with 11Kw charging capability, the Seal in other markets can for example.

[JBChiangRai]

1 minute ago, carlyai said:

Thanks, so like in your posts before, you charge to 100%?

At 79yrs old this is like I'm learning at 1st Year Engineering College again, but there's a big difference between the 18 year old brain and the Leo aged brain. 🙂

 

Using a 3rd party charger doesn't negate your warranty as you do it in shopping malls, hotels etc and the car makes all the decisions.

 

I charge to 100% roughly once a month or 2 months. Mostly I charge to about 50%.

 

BYD advise you to do it weekly, that is to calibrate the SoC indicator, I don't believe it's to balance the cells, I think balancing occurs during charging and discharging.  If it wasn't for MG we would probably never have heard about balancing cells. I'm comfortable with an inaccurate SoC indicator, if I'm making a long journey I charge to 100%.

 

Most expert thinking is that degradation is accelerated in line with SoC, though I'm aware of one report that disagrees.

 

What I have said is for LFP battery chemistry.

[carlyai]

51 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Using a 3rd party charger doesn't negate your warranty as you do it in shopping malls, hotels etc and the car makes all the decisions.

 

I charge to 100% roughly once a month or 2 months. Mostly I charge to about 50%.

 

BYD advise you to do it weekly, that is to calibrate the SoC indicator, I don't believe it's to balance the cells, I think balancing occurs during charging and discharging.  If it wasn't for MG we would probably never have heard about balancing cells. I'm comfortable with an inaccurate SoC indicator, if I'm making a long journey I charge to 100%.

 

Most expert thinking is that degradation is accelerated in line with SoC, though I'm aware of one report that disagrees.

 

What I have said is for LFP battery chemistry.

Thanks and yes I have read your posts going back to the forum start.

Seems like I can get a charger to charge at 7kW, 11kW and 22kW...so still checking if this is in the one charger.

Sorry for basic questions, but the spec. for the Sealion 7 DC charging port CCS2 (150kW).  That equates to 681A. I know you could never charge at this rate, but with a charger like above they say the current is limited to 32A.

What's the significance of the (150kW)?

[JBChiangRai]

150Kw is for DC Charging when you're out on the road, it's probably about 500 volts or so.

 

Very few cars have 22Kw AC charging ability, it's an option on Porsche and Audi equivalents but it's about 100,000 baht option.

 

11Kw AC is becoming quite popular and standard on many cars.  I just checked, the Sealion 7 is 11Kw AC Charging, I think we will see that on new model Seals when we get them.

[Pib]

29 minutes ago, carlyai said:

Thanks and yes I have read your posts going back to the forum start.

Seems like I can get a charger to charge at 7kW, 11kW and 22kW...so still checking if this is in the one charger.

Sorry for basic questions, but the spec. for the Sealion 7 DC charging port CCS2 (150kW).  That equates to 681A. I know you could never charge at this rate, but with a charger like above they say the current is limited to 32A.

What's the significance of the (150kW)?

Don't confuse max "DC" charging current with max "AC" charging current in regards to max EV charging rate....the EV max charging rate will depend on whether an external DC charger is being used with DC power being provided direct to the EV;s battery.....or the EV's  onboard charger is being used which first converts AC to DC and then passes it to the battery.   An EV's onboard charger has no where near the AC to DC rectification/power generating capability of an external DC Fast Charger.

 

When they talk a CCS2 max charging rate like 150KW that is the EV maximum charge rate when you would be using a "DC Fast Charger",,,,,and the EV's on-board charger is not even being used as the DC charger is providing the required DC charging power.  And it wouldn't be in the 681A neighborhood, but more in the 300-350A neighborhood for a 400V EV battery system; even less amps for a 800V system. 

 

For example, as the EV's 400V battery system is charging the input voltage and current is going to change during the charge process....but you are going to typically see it in the 400-440V actual voltage level for most of the DC charge curve.  So, if the DC charger is outputting 150KW to the EV battery at 440V then the current is 341A.    And if the EV battery was an 800V system then the current is going to be down around half of the 341A of a 400V system.