Guns have become the leading cause of death for American kids

[onthedarkside]

 

Firearms were the leading cause of death for kids one and older for the first time in 2020, the most recent year for which CDC data is available.

 

Why it matters: The firearm death rate among children is steadily rising, as more kids are involved in gun-related homicides like Tuesday's mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, as well as suicides and accidents.

 

By the numbers: Nearly two-thirds of the 4,368 U.S. children up to age 19 who were killed by guns in 2020 were homicide victims, per the CDC. Motor vehicle crashes, formerly the leading cause of death for kids one and older, killed nearly 4,000 children.

 

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https://www.axios.com/2022/05/26/gun-deaths-children-america

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

Wee bit of cherry picking with numbers, I suspect, and just my opinion.  18 & 19 yr olds are clearly adults.  In mine and the criminal courts world.

Even 16 & 17 yr olds get prosecuted as adults when felony criminals.

 

Think 15-19 yr olds account for 20% of those.   Admit to speed reading.  So may be incorrect

Children in the headliner implies something a bit different in most minds, well, mine anyway, IMHO

 

And when they compare diseases, are they totally up all disease, or simply making category for individual diseases, which would keep the numbers lower.

 

Notice they always include every firearm death with such headlines, not broken down to accidental, suicides or murders.  Implying and believed by some reading, but not reading full text, kids are getting murdered more than dying from diseases.

 

Just thinking out loud.  Stats, polls, surveys, and I find them all a bit suspect at times ... IMHO

 

Although, agree, and even 1 death, especially accidental or suicide is way too many, as no child should have access to a firearm, and that falls on the irresponsible parent / gun owner.   Of course they'll never be charged or prosecuted.   What DA would do that, as they've paid a much higher price than any court could dish out.

 

Also notice in vehicle accidents, ages are grouped differently, which may or may not affect the comparisons.  Are the 15-24 age group children or something else.

https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/#:~:text=The majority of people killed,and older (-15%).

 

Looking at CDC stats for child vehicle deaths, I notice lower age groups selected, and highest age quoted was 14 yrs old.   Does make one wonder about any comparisons.   From CDC site linked:

 

"In 2019, 608 child passengers age 12 and younger died in motor vehicle crashes,1 and more than 91,000 were injured.2 Of the children 12 and younger who died in a crash (for whom restraint use was known), 38% were not buckled up.1 Parents and caregivers can make a lifesaving difference by checking whether their children are properly buckled on every trip."

"child passenger deaths among children age 14 years and younger"

https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/child_passenger_safety/cps-factsheet.html

 

Have a nice day ... PEACE OUT

[Bkk Brian]

2nd amendment is more important than this for some who will try and make excuses:

 

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-violence-statistics/

 

 

[KhunLA]

25 million threatened or non fatal injury ... they actually consider that as a statistic.   So was that a verbal assault, with or without a weapon in hand.  Or a simple mugging.  More silly stats.

 

Like stating 100 million almost died in car accidents, but luckily avoided a collision.????

 

Again, agree 100 % with too many of all ages die by firearms, well, except gang bangers, one can only hope they continue killing each other.   Just wish their aim was a bit better.

 

But all these headliners are a bit silly, and simply headliners.  Don't think anyone denies too many people die from firearms.

 

How to solve it, there's where the conflict comes.  My solutions would never be enacted, so y'all Yanks are pretty much screwed.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

25 million threatened or non fatal injury ... they actually consider that as a statistic.   So was that a verbal assault, with or without a weapon in hand.  Or a simple mugging.  More silly stats.

Pretty sure the quote was WITH a firearm. The threat is aggravated when there is a firearm involved. I use the term aggravated in its legal sense.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/aggravated

[KhunLA]

29 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Pretty sure the quote was WITH a firearm. The threat is aggravated when there is a firearm involved. I use the term aggravated in its legal sense.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/aggravated

Still not convince, if said, mentioned firearm was 'in hand' when threatened.

 

"Bi-atch, cheat on me one more time, and I'll cap your A$$" ... "now get me a God damn beer and hand me the TV remote, before I slap your A$$"

 

Did he/she/it really have a firearm in their hand....hmm

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Still not convince, if said, mentioned firearm was 'in hand' when threatened.

 

"Bi-atch, cheat on me one more time, and I'll cap your A$$" ... "now get me a God damn beer and hand me the TV remote, before I slap your A$$"

 

Did he/she/it really have a firearm in their hand....hmm

Threatened with a firearm is pretty clear.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

2nd amendment is more important than this for some who will try and make excuses:

 

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-violence-statistics/

 

 

99 percent plus of republicans are complicit in this carnage.

They're pro life only before birth.

[KhunLA]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Threatened with a firearm is pretty clear.

If that's how you read it, as I'm under a different interpretation.  As I've heard people threatened with weapons before, when no weapon was in hand.  

 

"Do that again / come near her again, and I'll beat you silly with a bat"  as an example I've heard in heat of arguments, and no bat in hand.  Would imagine same with an 'I'll shoot you' reference.

 

But hey ... going to have to A2D ... moving on 

[ozimoron]

Just now, KhunLA said:

If that's how you read it, as I'm under a different interpretation.  As I've heard people threatened with weapons before, when no weapon was in hand.  

 

"Do that again / come near her again, and I'll beat you silly with a bat"  as an example I've heard in heat of arguments, and no bat in hand.  Would imagine same with an 'I'll shoot you' reference.

 

But hey ... going to have to A2D ... moving on 

I don't believe that it has to be in hand. Having a firearm on your person while threatening someone is aggravating behavior in and of itself. It doesn't have to be in the aggressors hand.

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Still not convince, if said, mentioned firearm was 'in hand' when threatened.

 

"Bi-atch, cheat on me one more time, and I'll cap your A$$" ... "now get me a God damn beer and hand me the TV remote, before I slap your A$$"

 

Did he/she/it really have a firearm in their hand....hmm

That’s a fairly violent threat. 

[spidermike007]

America has become a morally bankrupt nation, on a rapid decline. The apathy is something that is hard to comprehend. 

 

And America is also a very corrupt nation. The corruption is legal, and sanctioned. Lobbyists, lawyers, and ethically challenged organizations and groups like the NRA, the Democratic National Committee, the GOP, the Congress and the Senate. 

 

The US now, reminds me of Western Rome in the late 5th century AD. 

[Siamjim]

many shooters have mental health issues, got lots serious mental health issues people there in the states. if there were no guns would the killing stop. i would think not.

 

[Isaan sailor]

Take out the Chicago and other big city shootings (defund the police, of course), and you’ll see those numbers drop drastically.

[rudi49jr]

Yet still the vast majority of Republican senators and representatives are in the pockets of the NRA and refuse to even consider any form of (further) gun control. And I don’t think that’s about to change any time soon. Completely pathetic.

[richard_smith237]

KhunLA continues to defend guns....  in numerous threads highlighting statistic which do not ‘go his way’ he claims cherry picking of facts... Perhaps so...

 

....but any facts highlighting elevated numbers of gun related deaths lead to one singular conclusion...

 

The indefensible cannot sensibly be defended, no matter how hard you try KhunLA. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Siamjim said:

many shooters have mental health issues, got lots serious mental health issues people there in the states. if there were no guns would the killing stop. i would think not.

 

The killing would continue, as America is a very, very bloodthirsty nation. But, there would be far fewer killings. Having a nearly unlimited amount of weapons available to homicidal maniacs is never a good thing. 

 

It astonishes me, the number of gun advocates who keep up the NRA rhetoric. Guns don't kill people. Maniacs do. I would make the argument it is maniacs with ready access to guns that kill people. Stop the excuses already. 

[LarrySR]

Republican Chris Jacobs (R-N.Y.) forced out of race after he said he would support a ban on the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle following the white supremacist mass shooting in Buffalo last month that left 10 people dead and the school shooting in Uvalde, Texas, in which a gunman killed 21 people.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-congressman-quits-race-backlash-211606615.html

Friday, Jacobs announced he would abandon his bid for reelection after intense backlash from his own party, including from local party leaders who pulled their support….And since that time, every Republican elected [official] that had endorsed him withdrew their endorsement. 

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Take out the Chicago and other big city shootings (defund the police, of course), and you’ll see those numbers drop drastically.

And as usual......

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

[bangon04]

"Over the last two decades, more school-aged children have died from guns than on-duty police officers and active duty military combined," said Biden.

 

https://okcfox.com/news/local/fact-check-biden-claims-more-kids-killed-by-guns-than-soldiers-cops 

 

[richard_smith237]

14 minutes ago, bangon04 said:

"Over the last two decades, more school-aged children have died from guns than on-duty police officers and active duty military combined," said Biden.

 

https://okcfox.com/news/local/fact-check-biden-claims-more-kids-killed-by-guns-than-soldiers-cops 

 

Another Cherry picked statistic KhunLA ?????

 

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/crime-verify/more-children-killed-school-shootings-than-law-enforcement-police-killed-gunfire-firearms-2022/536-7eabd5b9-f394-4600-8453-799a804bcc57

 

 

[KhunLA]

Deer killed more drivers on the road than kids killed in school shootings ...

... starting to get a little silly aren't.

 

Nobody is stating school shootings aren't bad.  1 death is too many.  Obviously taking firearms from law abiding citizens while the southern border in not secure isn't an answer to anything.

 

You may save <50 lives a year, of the 350 ish million population, but I guessing those millions of guns in homes may .... may ... may save a lot more lives than 50.   But we'll never know, as not reported and would ruin any 'ban firearms' spin.

Old stats, but may interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use#National_Crime_Victimization_Survey

"A study published in 2013 by the Violence Policy Center, using five years of nationwide statistics (2007-2011) compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimated that defensive gun uses occur an average of 67,740 times per year"

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Deer killed more drivers on the road than kids killed in school shootings ...

... starting to get a little silly aren't.

 

Nobody is stating school shootings aren't bad.  1 death is too many.  Obviously taking firearms from law abiding citizens while the southern border in not secure isn't an answer to anything.

 

You may save <50 lives a year, of the 350 ish million population, but I guessing those millions of guns in homes may .... may ... may save a lot more lives than 50.   But we'll never know, as not reported and would ruin any 'ban firearms' spin.

Old stats, but may interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use#National_Crime_Victimization_Survey

"A study published in 2013 by the Violence Policy Center, using five years of nationwide statistics (2007-2011) compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimated that defensive gun uses occur an average of 67,740 times per year"

Yes it is getting extremely silly when you start bringing up drivers killed by deer and then go onto your repeated claims of not not being able to do anything while the southern border is not secure. The problem is the opposite, the flow of US guns getting into Mexico.

 

Stopping toxic flow of guns from U.S. to Mexico

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/02/stopping-toxic-flow-of-gun-traffic-from-u-s-to-mexico/

 

The flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico is getting lost in the border debate

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/the-flow-of-guns-from-the-u-s-to-mexico-is-getting-lost-in-the-border-debate

 

Mexico Blames U.S. for Flow of Illegal Weapons Into Hands of Criminal Organizations

https://www.newsweek.com/mexico-blames-us-flow-illegal-weapons-hands-criminal-organizations-1646432

 

 

[TKDfella]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

America has become a morally bankrupt nation, on a rapid decline. The apathy is something that is hard to comprehend. 

 

And America is also a very corrupt nation. The corruption is legal, and sanctioned. Lobbyists, lawyers, and ethically challenged organizations and groups like the NRA, the Democratic National Committee, the GOP, the Congress and the Senate. 

 

The US now, reminds me of Western Rome in the late 5th century AD. 

I have maintained (but only to myself,Ha!) that the US was a nation trying to keep ancient Rome 'alive'. Their major 'institutions seem to like the Greco-Roman architecture (although the UK and other European countries have some too...but then the Romans were actually there at some point).

Not being American, I don't really appreciate the depth of feeling about 'the right to bear arms' issue (if that is the correct interpretation) but I wonder what will happen in the future when bullets are replaced by something else reflecting the available technology of the time. Would such 'right' still apply?

[KhunLA]

Here's my issue, less than 50 kids a year, and it's a headliner, EVERY DAY.

 

What if 13,698 kids under the age of 5 died everyday, would that be a headliner ?

 

50 a year vs 13,698 every day.  I think a few people have their priorities A$$ backwards.

 

50 a year / guns / 2nd amendment / rep / dem / division & distraction ... just my opinion.

 

Because just a guess, those 13,690 kids under 5 yrs old, IMHO, probably most, some, a few, everyday, could be prevented or saved.  Even half or 1/4, oh hell, 1/10 would be nice, but still over 1000 A DAY. 

 

Maybe if they got as many headliner & attention as 50 a year get.

 

"The total number of under-5 deaths worldwide has declined from 12.6 million in 1990 to 5.0 million in 2020."

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/themes/topics/topic-details/GHO/child-mortality-and-causes-of-death

 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

4 hours ago, Siamjim said:

many shooters have mental health issues, got lots serious mental health issues people there in the states. if there were no guns would the killing stop. i would think not.

 

So the US has lots more mental issues than the rest of the world? And only those with said issue doesn't understand that if you take the guns away the number of killings drop drastically.

That's so painfully obvious it's mind blowing that anyone would argue against it. But hey, if it helps you sleep at night.....

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

So the US has lots more mental issues than the rest of the world? And only those with said issue doesn't understand that if you take the guns away the number of killings drop drastically.

That's so painfully obvious it's mind blowing that anyone would argue against it. But hey, if it helps you sleep at night.....

I don't think there's any doubt in anyone's mind, that taking firearms away from all the legal owners will save some kids.  But at the expense of how many other people, who will die, if they don't have firearms.   

 

Stat above, an estimate of over 60k crimes prevented.  How many of those would be deaths or serious injuries.   Saw a site, stating private gun owners, kill more criminals than police, but couldn't find anything to verify, and don't feel like wasting any more time on this silly thread.

 

Have a nice day .... Peace Out

 

Note to self:  weaned myself off covid, vaccine, mask threads, now concentrate on not replying to firearms thread.

[Chomper Higgot]

42 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Deer killed more drivers on the road than kids killed in school shootings ...

... starting to get a little silly aren't.

 

Nobody is stating school shootings aren't bad.  1 death is too many.  Obviously taking firearms from law abiding citizens while the southern border in not secure isn't an answer to anything.

 

You may save <50 lives a year, of the 350 ish million population, but I guessing those millions of guns in homes may .... may ... may save a lot more lives than 50.   But we'll never know, as not reported and would ruin any 'ban firearms' spin.

Old stats, but may interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use#National_Crime_Victimization_Survey

"A study published in 2013 by the Violence Policy Center, using five years of nationwide statistics (2007-2011) compiled by the Federal Bureau of Investigation estimated that defensive gun uses occur an average of 67,740 times per year"

Away with your false equivalence.

 

Collisions with dear are accidents.

 

Heavily armed young men walking into schools then gunning down children and staff is premeditated mass murder.

 

None of this has anything to do with the ‘southern border’. 

[Yellowtail]

I think threatening someone with a firearm is (at least) simple assault,  and if the the victim is physically injured it would likely be aggravated assault.  

 

Twenty-five million cases of this in the US.

 

Something over two-million people in prison in the US. 

 

Why is no one prosecuting these cases? 

[Tropposurfer]

One has to ask oneself what is happening inside a person or persons who are unable or unwilling to sit with the truth that children living in their own communities should have zero access to firearms and have extremely low percentage chances of dying by gun at their own or another's. 

What does it tell us about a culture that produces a national psyche for tens of millions of its adult citizens (and their offspring) that even considering regulation of firearms is beyond comprehension. That holding the reality that by instilling and holding to such a national zeitgeist is killing their children in number s unconscionable to any other western nation on the face of the earth. 

When I say 'sit with the truth" I refer to talking about dying from diseases, semantic arguments about what constitutes an adult, and deflecting, minimising, and rationalising through introducing other unrelated notions in order to rationalise (totally irrational) the unnecessary carnage, and the terrorising of our innocent's, the very future of our species.

The FACT is that thousands of children in the US die by the gun every year, where in other nations the numbers are minute by comparison.

The FACT is that thousands upon thousands above the age of 18 die by gun in the US every year, where in other nations the numbers are minute by comparison.

Truly the twilight zone.