NY lawmakers pass new gun control law; more senseless shootings in U.S.

[onthedarkside]

 

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York's legislature voted Thursday to ban anyone under age 21 from buying or possessing a semi-automatic rifle, a major change to state firearm laws pushed through less than three weeks after an 18-year-old used one of the guns to kill 10 people at a supermarket in Buffalo.

 

The bill raising the age limit is the most significant part of a package of gun control measures announced earlier this week by Democratic legislative leaders and Gov. Kathy Hochul.

 

Other new legislation will restrict civilian purchases of bullet-resistant armor, which was worn by the killer in Buffalo, and require new guns to be equipped with microstamping technology that can help law enforcement investigators trace bullets to particular firearms.

 

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https://news.yahoo.com/york-poised-raise-age-semiautomatic-172322196.html

 

 

 

[onthedarkside]

Escape convict kills family of five in Texas, dies in police shootout

 

 

An escaped prisoner killed a family of five on Thursday before dying in a shoot-out with law enforcement, police in Texas said.

 

Officers named Gonzalo Artemio Lopez as the suspect in the killing of the family of four children and an adult near Jourdanton, southern Texas, according to The New York Times.

 

Texas officials said in a statement that they caught Lopez driving a stolen vehicle, which they stopped with spike strips.

 

A shootout ensued, the officials said, in which Lopez was killed and no officers were harmed.

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/an-escaped-prisoner-in-texas-killed-4-children-and-an-adult-before-police-found-and-shot-him-dead-authorities-say/ar-AAY2qYm?cvid=8972c17e99754927838512fe363d99ed

 

 

[onthedarkside]

Man kills two female university students then fatally shoots himself outside Iowa church

 

Survivors hug their family members and friends at the Cornerstone Baptist church parking lot after a shooting outside the church on Thursday, June 2, 2022, in Ames, Iowa.

 

A man shot and killed two female victims, then killed himself, in a parking lot outside Ames' Cornerstone Church Thursday night, according to police and officials at the church.

 

The suspected shooter, identified Friday morning as Jonathan Lee Whitlatch, appeared to have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, Story County Sheriff Paul Fitzgerald said during a news conference Friday morning.

 

Fitzgerald also identified the two victims: 22-year-old Eden Mariah Montang and 21-year-old Vivian Renee Flores, both students at Iowa State University who were at the church Thursday night for a worship service with The Salt Company, the church's university ministry. 

 

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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2022/06/03/ames-iowa-church-shooting-what-we-know-about-cornerstone-church-three-killed/7493989001/

 

 

[Bluespunk]

38 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

New York's legislature voted Thursday to ban anyone under age 21 from buying or possessing a semi-automatic rifle, a major change to state firearm laws

Fantastic news.  
 

Let’s hope the rest of the country  follows suit in bringing in much stricter and restrictive gun ownership legislation. 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Bluespunk

[RichardColeman]

Right, like this will make any difference to the boys in the hood !

 

About as daft a new rule and the lunatic Mayor of Chicago saying a 9pm curfew for youngster will stop violent crimes and robberies !

[Paradise Pete]

29 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Right, like this will make any difference to the boys in the hood !

I don't think it's "the boys in the hood" who are shooting up the schools.

[swm59nj]

I do hope there are stricter gun controls.  But even though.  The wackos will still manage to get the guns somehow.  Hopefully not as readily. 

[EVENKEEL]

21 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

I don't think it's "the boys in the hood" who are shooting up the schools.

But both issues need to be addressed same time, same conversation. News of out inner city violence largely goes unreported by the MSM. Why? No BLM protests over this issue Why? It doesn't fit the left narrative.

[Excel]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Fantastic news.  
 

Let’s hope the rest of the country  follows suit in bringing in much stricter and restrictive gun ownership legislation. 

Should be for any weapon, not just a semi automatic

[Luuk Chaai]

it's in writing....   the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Fantastic news.  
 

Let’s hope the rest of the country  follows suit in bringing in much stricter and restrictive gun ownership legislation. 

Sure, how about legislation:

 

- To prohibit all members of the public owning any types of hand gun or rifle or semi-automatic or indeed and form of weapon.

 

- To massively upgrade recruitment methods to get much better better quality, more rational, more logical police into the various forces who are much better behaved. 

[PaoloR]

47 minutes ago, Luuk Chaai said:

it's in writing....   the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

No it's not: read the constitution - nowhere does it say that!

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, PaoloR said:

No it's not: read the constitution - nowhere does it say that!

2nd Amendment - Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"The final, handwritten original of the Bill of Rights as passed by Congress, with the rest of the original prepared by scribe William Lambert, is preserved in the National Archives.^[30] This is the version ratified by Delaware^[31] and used by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Some state-ratified versions, such as Maryland's, omitted the first or final commas:^[31][33][25]

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The ratification acts from New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and South Carolina contained only one comma, but with differences in capitalization. Pennsylvania's act states:^[34]

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.^[35][36]

The ratification act from New Jersey has no commas:^[31]

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

 

[scorecard]

49 minutes ago, PaoloR said:

No it's not: read the constitution - nowhere does it say that!

Even if it is in the constitution it can be changed.

 

Many aspect of daily life, the needs to build and maintain a civil society have changed/evolved since the constitution was written. The constitution should be updated to ensure violence in any form is not acceptable and attracts severe punishment. Plus the maintenance of a valid fully respected, balanced/fair judiciary should be free from political influence/political appointments. 

[ozimoron]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

But both issues need to be addressed same time, same conversation. News of out inner city violence largely goes unreported by the MSM. Why? No BLM protests over this issue Why? It doesn't fit the left narrative.

I didn't realise the BLM protesters were armed with AR 15's.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Sure, how about legislation:

 

- To prohibit all members of the public owning any types of hand gun or rifle or semi-automatic or indeed and form of weapon.

 

- To massively upgrade recruitment methods to get much better better quality, more rational, more logical police into the various forces who are much better behaved. 

Works for me. Less racist would be even better. 

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I didn't realise the BLM protesters were armed with AR 15's.

Please reread my post and get back to me with a better response.

[ozimoron]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Please reread my post and get back to me with a better response.

The topic is about gun control of high capacity and high powered weapons so I guess you had to have been suggesting the BLM protesters were armed with these. If not, you were off topic and trying to stick something on them which wasn't true.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

The topic is about gun control of high capacity and high powered weapons so I guess you had to have been suggesting the BLM protesters were armed with these. If not, you were off topic and trying to stick something on them which wasn't true.

What I wrote was inner city crime has to be addressed as well for new gun laws. And the fact that BLM doesn't protest the 100 or 1,000's of blacks who loose their lives each year to gun violence. Why? Because it doesn't fit a narrative that can help their money pot grow.

 

I made no reference to BLM carrying AR15's.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What I wrote was inner city crime has to be addressed as well for new gun laws. And the fact that BLM doesn't protest the 100 or 1,000's of blacks who loose their lives each year to gun violence. Why? Because it doesn't fit a narrative that can help their money pot grow.

 

I made no reference to BLM carrying AR15's.

Getting even further off the track now. I am at a loss to understand what BLM protesters and this topic have in common. The gun controls proposed relate to AR15's.

[newnative]

2 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

it's in writing....   the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

     Arms, yes.  Assault rifles, not mentioned--which allows for flexibility in interpreting the law over time as technology changes, not to mention the changes in the need for militias.  In any case, just adding an age limit does very little.  Assault rifles should be banned, period, along with all other types of multiple-fire weapons.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What I wrote was inner city crime has to be addressed as well for new gun laws. And the fact that BLM doesn't protest the 100 or 1,000's of blacks who loose their lives each year to gun violence. Why? Because it doesn't fit a narrative that can help their money pot grow.

 

I made no reference to BLM carrying AR15's.

BLM had valid points to make about treatment of blacks. I see them as useful with some on the extreme a bit stupid. You see the stupid ones and think BLM is mainly the stupid. If blacks kill blacks that’s a serious issue but not necessarily something BLM can fix except to help young blacks have a better life or be promote better self discipline or advocate gun control. That’s a job for politicians to fix if they had the guts and the smarts to do so.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

     Arms, yes.  Assault rifles, not mentioned--which allows for flexibility in interpreting the law over time as technology changes, not to mention the changes in the need for militias.  In any case, just adding an age limit does very little.  Assault rifles should be banned, period, along with all other types of multiple-fire weapons.

Those that quote the 2nd amendment as an absolute right fail to explain why fully automatics aren't allowed.

[EVENKEEL]

43 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Getting even further off the track now. I am at a loss to understand what BLM protesters and this topic have in common. The gun controls proposed relate to AR15's.

So we're going to focus on the AR15 and forget the 1000's of kids being killed with handguns mostly. This thread is about gun laws and senseless shootings. Perhaps you're lost.

[EVENKEEL]

28 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

BLM had valid points to make about treatment of blacks. I see them as useful with some on the extreme a bit stupid. You see the stupid ones and think BLM is mainly the stupid. If blacks kill blacks that’s a serious issue but not necessarily something BLM can fix except to help young blacks have a better life or be promote better self discipline or advocate gun control. That’s a job for politicians to fix if they had the guts and the smarts to do so.

Cops cracking down on gangs will get blm's attention because that would be racist. But actually doing the black community any good isn't their agenda.  

[ozimoron]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

So we're going to focus on the AR15 and forget the 1000's of kids being killed with handguns mostly. This thread is about gun laws and senseless shootings. Perhaps you're lost.

no, this thread is about gun control of high capacity weapons. Nothing else. Specifically, the proposals for gun control in the light of recent shootings has been about restricting access to teenagers.  You are engaging in whataboutery to deflect from the carnage being caused by mass shootings and the reluctance of under armed cops from engaging in heavily armed shooters.

 

It isn't at all about hand guns if you read the article. NY already has hand gun laws.

 

"Younger people would still be allowed to have other types of rifles and shotguns under the new law, but would be unable to buy the type of fast-firing rifles used by the 18-year-old gunmen in the mass shootings in Buffalo and at a Texas elementary school."

Edited June 4, 2022 by ozimoron

[superal]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Even if it is in the constitution it can be changed.

 

Many aspect of daily life, the needs to build and maintain a civil society have changed/evolved since the constitution was written. The constitution should be updated to ensure violence in any form is not acceptable and attracts severe punishment. Plus the maintenance of a valid fully respected, balanced/fair judiciary should be free from political influence/political appointments. 

        Free from political influence at that level would be difficult to find . To have such a panel , without any conflict of interest / unbiased , could only be possible from an outside influence i.e. another country . Maybe there should be a national amnesty on all firearms along with a payment per gun as a starter . Are there any states that impose stricter than normal national gun laws ?  Someone has to take stance even if it means changing the constitution .  

[billd766]

7 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Right, like this will make any difference to the boys in the hood !

 

About as daft a new rule and the lunatic Mayor of Chicago saying a 9pm curfew for youngster will stop violent crimes and robberies !

Do YOU have any better ideas that will work?

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

it's in writing....   the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Now if you had read that amendment in full you would find that it actually says

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/#:~:text=A well regulated Militia%2C being,Arms%2C shall not be infringed.

 

quote "Second Amendment
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

So why are all these gut nuts NOT members of a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State?

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt2-1/ALDE_00000408/

 

For over 200 years, despite extensive debate and much legislative action with respect to regulation of the purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms, as well as proposals to substantially curtail ownership of firearms, there was no definitive resolution by the courts of just what right the Second Amendment protects. The Second Amendment is naturally divided into two parts: its prefatory clause (A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State) and its operative clause (the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed).

 

There is more to be found in the link.

 

 

[Scott Tracy]

10 hours ago, Luuk Chaai said:

it's in writing....   the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Where does it say to use and shoot your own people...shall not be infringed? Is the US about to ban abortion to make sure there are enough children to shoot at the age of 5 to 7 years old?