Climate change: As Po River dries up, Italy's food and energy supplies are at risk

[Sparktrader]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Climate change means that climates are changing because of man made actions...

So nothing is natural anymore?

 

Post your proof of this.

[tjintx]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Climate change means that climates are changing because of man made actions...

Believe your superiors, that is what they tell you as they get richer off of you!

[Bluespunk]

Just now, tjintx said:

Believe your superiors, that is what they tell you as they get richer off of you!

Yeah, those pesky facts eh...

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

So nothing is natural anymore?

 

Post your proof of this.

Where did I say nothing is natural?

 

I said climate change is caused by human behaviour.

 

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange

Edited June 19, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Sparktrader]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But you don't seem to understand is that it's statistically invalid the cherry pick a starting point and move on from there. It should be obvious that one year does not get to define a trend. Apparently not for some.

Current data is last 4 to 6 years. 1976 to 2016 shows warming no doubt. Thats old data though.

 

1942 to 1976 shows cooling. Old data.

 

What data do you want to use?

 

You cant just pick a warming period that ended in 2016 and ignore the rest.

 

 

 

[Sparktrader]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Where did I say nothing is natural?

 

I said climate change is caused by human behaviour.

 

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange

So floods never happened prior to 1950?

[tjintx]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, those pesky facts eh...

Facts are hand-picked and misrepresented data that they are feeding us.  Consider, the biggest fact providers on this in the US.    Gore with a home that uses more power than small towns, Leo DiCaprio with his private jets, Obama and Biden acquiring significant ocean-front property (and jetting everywhere).    Huge transfer of wealth from us to them.

[Sparktrader]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah, those pesky facts eh...

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

[tjintx]

Just now, Sparktrader said:

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

Oh noes!    Must be global cooling!    Tax heating to prevent more!!!!

[tjintx]

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Climate change means that climates are changing because of man made actions...there is no incongruity in the changes in Australia.

 

The very fact that the Australians chose parties that are in favour of actions to halt climate change is proof of this. 

What the  heck are you on about?   Show that the Australian people specifically picked parties to halt climate change versus a million other reasons.

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

I think you should try out on a scientist or statistician your notion

 

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

that establishing a baseline derived from one anomalous datum is a valid way to determine a trend. If nothing else, you'll give them a good laugh.

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I think you should try out on a scientist or statistician your notion

 

that establishing a baseline derived from one anomalous datum is a valid way to determine a trend. If nothing else, you'll give them a good laugh.

I am a statistician. I built and maintained spreadsheets for a living.

 

The data over 142 years shows warming and cooling trends. You can see that. 1880 to 1909. 1909 to 1942. 1942 to 1976. 1976 to 2016. 2016 to 2022...

 

The most relevant data is recent data though. Same like with a share or economy.

 

 

 

 

 

[placeholder]

10 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

This same class objection was used by years for denialists in regards to global warming because 1998 was an anomalously warm year. And for a few years afterwards the global temperature was lower. That was because of the phenomenon called el nino. It was almost as nonsensical and objection as yours. I say almost because the data you are citing is only about africa. And Africa does not cover the entire globe. So what's your point?

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

This same class objection was used by years for denialists in regards to global warming because 1998 was an anomalously warm year. And for a few years afterwards the global temperature was lower. That was because of the phenomenon called el nino. It was almost as nonsensical and objection as yours. I say almost because the data you are citing is only about africa. And Africa does not cover the entire globe. So what's your point?

There's a few points.

 

1 explain 1909 to 1942 warming

2 explain why chinese co2 is up a lot in 6 years yet temps not up.

I will post the links.

[Sparktrader]

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/global/time-series

 

Compare 1909 with 1941

[Bkk Brian]

48 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

The last 4 years in African graph are much cooler than 10 years ago.

You need a quick lesson on moving averages and trendlines. Your iterpretation of chart stats sucks

[RichardColeman]

[Sparktrader]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You need a quick lesson on moving averages and trendlines. Your iterpretation of chart stats sucks

Yet Im correct. Last 4 years cooler. Look at the graph.

[Sparktrader]

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-carbon-emissions-grow-at-fastest-rate-for-more-than-a-decade/

[Bluespunk]

30 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

So floods never happened prior to 1950?

Where did you read that?

[Bluespunk]

30 minutes ago, tjintx said:

Facts are hand-picked and misrepresented data that they are feeding us.  Consider, the biggest fact providers on this in the US.    Gore with a home that uses more power than small towns, Leo DiCaprio with his private jets, Obama and Biden acquiring significant ocean-front property (and jetting everywhere).    Huge transfer of wealth from us to them.

The facts are there.

 

They are real.

 

As is the danger of man made climate change.

[Bluespunk]

23 minutes ago, tjintx said:

What the  heck are you on about?   Show that the Australian people specifically picked parties to halt climate change versus a million other reasons.

Look to the new commitments made last week.

[Bluespunk]

32 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

What facts? We know warming happened from 1976 to 2016. No warmer years since 2016.

 

6 years no warming....

 

Why not?

Climate change is the problem.

[Sparktrader]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Climate change means that climates are changing because of man made actions...there is no incongruity in the changes in Australia.

 

The very fact that the Australians chose parties that are in favour of actions to halt climate change is proof of this. 

Yet we have cold temps and snow records. Power failures.

 

People voting is proof of nothing really.

 

Chinese co2 33% and going up

Aus 1.15%

 

 

 

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Climate change is the problem.

What problem? What century had no climate change?

[tjintx]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Climate change is the problem.

...and taxes, restrictions, carbon credits on all of us are the solutions.    Enjoy the kool-aid comrade.

[Sparktrader]

32 minutes ago, tjintx said:

What the  heck are you on about?   Show that the Australian people specifically picked parties to halt climate change versus a million other reasons.

The greens 14% 

Teals got some

 

[Sparktrader]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The facts are there.

 

They are real.

 

As is the danger of man made climate change.

Which floods are natural?

Which are man made?

 

Post a list

[Sparktrader]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Look to the new commitments made last week.

How much will those commitments change global temps?