Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot--poll

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg went to the electric chair for less than Trump has done. Fry his butt like bacon.

Amen.

[bocaBob]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Georgia. 

Those would be state charges by a local Fulton County DA, with decision due on or before June 30.

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

You seem to have conveniently missed the fact that the $7.8 trillion debt incurred during trump's tenure has anything to do with the current state of affairs with regards to inflation – – but of course it does, and poor Biden has to pick up the pieces.

 

I can think of nothing which "prospered and grew" during the trump administration other than racial hatred, far right activism and gun killings, along with Covid deaths as a result of inaction/slow action.

 

I am not an American and am not a Republican or Democrat supporter, but the political rift which has, and is, tearing the US apart, IMO is fuelled by the likes of trump and his cohorts.

 

And do I really care; no, because the US will get what it deserves if it continues along its current lines and fosters organisations such as "Proud Boys" and "Oath Keepers" and corrupt, lying and dumb presidents.
 

It could just be, that outsider / DT, during 2016 & 2020 elections, and the silliness of the BS years of RussiaGate opened up a lot of eyes of ignorant people.

 

If that didn't expose the whole corrupt system, then Ignorance Truly is Bliss.

 

DT's administration deficit ... did you forget about Bush's & Obama's silly deficits.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

[Phoenix Rising]

41 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

"Greitens was elected governor of Missouri in 2016, but he resigned less than two years later amid allegations of sexually assaulting and blackmailing a woman with whom he had an extramarital affair.

 

He acknowledged the affair but denied any wrongdoing. Greitens was also accused of misusing a charity donor list to raise campaign funds. Criminal charges against him were ultimately dropped.

...

Now, Greitens is one of 21 Republicans running to replace retiring Sen. Roy Blunt."

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/06/20/1106228594/a-missouri-senate-candidate-holds-a-shotgun-and-calls-for-rino-hunting-in-a-new-

 

Forum topic on the guy's social media post is here:

 

 

 

A deplorable appealing to the deplorables. Trash the lot of them.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Your must talking about the Dems?? LOL

Thanks for confirming my point.

[konaboy]

On 6/20/2022 at 7:15 AM, Luuk Chaai said:

 pay attention ....the only place President Trump is going.. is back to the White House

if you believe anything that comes out of Schiff, ABC, NBC, CNN, Washington Post..  I have a bridge that's for sale

you skipped over the DOJ

[mikeymike100]

7 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Thanks for confirming my point.

Again...... LOL

[Jingthing]

58 minutes ago, bocaBob said:

Those would be state charges by a local Fulton County DA, with decision due on or before June 30.

Which is in Georgia.

I don't think that June 30 date is set in stone but yes probably by then.

I think.it will happen.

 

[jingjai9]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

In fact, the hearings are being reported live. PBS, for one, is streaming them live on youtube. So is the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, C-Span etc.

Yes they are being reported, but the public hearings are not truly in the spirit of investigation and fact finding. Why couldn't all the witnesses give information  at the hearings and let people hear all they have to say. Why do we get videotaped testimony that is edited, for example Barr's testimony. Why do we have to hear the collected information being narrated by a congressperson? Why can't we simply listen to all relevant testimony and decide for ourselves. We don't need the Congress to spoon feed us.

Can we really hear all the facts if the investigation and hearings lie in the hands of a Congress that reeks of partisanship.? How about a special prosecutor?

 

[placeholder]

7 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

Yes they are being reported, but the public hearings are not truly in the spirit of investigation and fact finding. Why couldn't all the witnesses give information  at the hearings and let people hear all they have to say. Why do we get videotaped testimony that is edited, for example Barr's testimony. Why do we have to hear the collected information being narrated by a congressperson? Why can't we simply listen to all relevant testimony and decide for ourselves. We don't need the Congress to spoon feed us.

Can we really hear all the facts if the investigation and hearings lie in the hands of a Congress that reeks of partisanship.? How about a special prosecutor?

 

Maybe some of those witnesses, like Barr, would refuse to testify in public? Was Barr's testimony edited?

And there nearly was an independent investigation convened like that of Watergate. House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy nixed that.

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

Yes they are being reported, but the public hearings are not truly in the spirit of investigation and fact finding. Why couldn't all the witnesses give information  at the hearings and let people hear all they have to say. Why do we get videotaped testimony that is edited, for example Barr's testimony. Why do we have to hear the collected information being narrated by a congressperson? Why can't we simply listen to all relevant testimony and decide for ourselves. We don't need the Congress to spoon feed us.

Can we really hear all the facts if the investigation and hearings lie in the hands of a Congress that reeks of partisanship.? How about a special prosecutor?

 

As said the Trumpists killed the independent investigation. Worst attack on the Capitol since 1814 by the British and they wanted a coverup. I consider them traitors and enemies of democracy and the constitution.

As far as the public watching hundreds of hours of testimony, are you having a laugh? Almost nobody.would watch that  How convenient for the Trumpists that would  be. As far as Mr. Trumps absurd and bombastic demand for equal time he is very welcome to appear live in Congress to present himself for statements and questioning UNDER OATH! 

Edited June 21, 2022 by Jingthing

[Eric Loh]

24 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

Yes they are being reported, but the public hearings are not truly in the spirit of investigation and fact finding. Why couldn't all the witnesses give information  at the hearings and let people hear all they have to say. Why do we get videotaped testimony that is edited, for example Barr's testimony. Why do we have to hear the collected information being narrated by a congressperson? Why can't we simply listen to all relevant testimony and decide for ourselves. We don't need the Congress to spoon feed us.

Can we really hear all the facts if the investigation and hearings lie in the hands of a Congress that reeks of partisanship.? How about a special prosecutor?

 

Why do you need to hear when you can see the attack on the Capitol. Can't you see the called to action by Trump and his sycophants on the same day and days before. You are just a denialist and a poor one.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Got a link for that?

Just look the "hearing" prime time viewing numbers.

Edited June 21, 2022 by onthedarkside
unsourced, misleading comment removed

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

It could just be, that outsider / DT, during 2016 & 2020 elections, and the silliness of the BS years of RussiaGate opened up a lot of eyes of ignorant people.

 

If that didn't expose the whole corrupt system, then Ignorance Truly is Bliss.

 

DT's administration deficit ... did you forget about Bush's & Obama's silly deficits.

https://www.thebalance.com/deficit-by-president-what-budget-deficits-hide-3306151

You are confusing the budget deficits with the total US debt, which are different things. In addition Obama had to spend "bigly" to overcome the financial crisis, which in part was a result of the Bush administration handing power over to the Wall Street money men/banks to self regulate, which they didn't do, and it was a free for all, and the results were seen and experienced, and the movie, "The Big Short" captured it just about spot on.

 

 Anyway: –

"The deficit is the difference between what the U.S. Government takes in from taxes and other revenues, called receipts, and the amount of money it spends, called outlays. The items included in the deficit are considered either on-budget or off-budget.

You can think of the total debt as accumulated deficits plus accumulated off-budget surpluses. The on-budget deficits require the U.S. Treasury to borrow money to raise cash needed to keep the government operating. It borrows the money by selling securities to the public".

 

As for Bush, well, spending large on the Iraq war looking for WOMD, which didn't exist, and the War on Terrorism, as well as implementing tax cuts, were the main reasons for an increase in US debt.

 

As for the increase in debt under the orange one, well the pandemic didn't help, and neither did the fact that he was late to the game with regards to stopping the spread in the US.

 

All this aside, the man is a proven crook and liar, and I wouldn't trust him with my auntie's donkey.
 

[Smokey and the Bandit]

On 6/20/2022 at 8:20 AM, Bangkok Barry said:

And isn't it terrifying that many millions would still vote for him.

Its terrifying millions apparently voted for Biden and look what has happened to the USA?

[Bangkok Barry]

8 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

On 6/20/2022 at 8:20 AM, Bangkok Barry said:

And isn't it terrifying that many millions would still vote for him.

Its terrifying millions apparently voted for Biden and look what has happened to the USA?

It's terrifying that, out of 330 million citizens, the best the country could come with as presidential candidates were Trump and Biden.

[placeholder]

56 minutes ago, xylophone said:

You are confusing the budget deficits with the total US debt, which are different things. In addition Obama had to spend "bigly" to overcome the financial crisis, which in part was a result of the Bush administration handing power over to the Wall Street money men/banks to self regulate, which they didn't do, and it was a free for all, and the results were seen and experienced, and the movie, "The Big Short" captured it just about spot on.

 

 Anyway: –

"The deficit is the difference between what the U.S. Government takes in from taxes and other revenues, called receipts, and the amount of money it spends, called outlays. The items included in the deficit are considered either on-budget or off-budget.

You can think of the total debt as accumulated deficits plus accumulated off-budget surpluses. The on-budget deficits require the U.S. Treasury to borrow money to raise cash needed to keep the government operating. It borrows the money by selling securities to the public".

 

As for Bush, well, spending large on the Iraq war looking for WOMD, which didn't exist, and the War on Terrorism, as well as implementing tax cuts, were the main reasons for an increase in US debt.

 

As for the increase in debt under the orange one, well the pandemic didn't help, and neither did the fact that he was late to the game with regards to stopping the spread in the US.

 

All this aside, the man is a proven crook and liar, and I wouldn't trust him with my auntie's donkey.
 

Actually, the budget deficits went up under Trump due to the tax cut bill.

[placeholder]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, the budget deficits went up under Trump due to the tax cut bill.

Come to think of it they want a lot further up after Covid hit. But I guess since Khunla blames Obama for the deficits in the wake of the Great Recession, he'll agree it's only fair to blame Trump for the huge deficits incurred in the wake of Covid.

[onthedarkside]

A series of off-topic, diversion posts on the history of U.S. presidential elections in past decades has been removed.

 

If you don't intend to discuss -- Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say Trump should be charged for Jan. 6 riot--poll -- then this isn't the thread to be posting in.

 

The same is true for federal budget deficit discussions.

 

 

[ozimoron]

3 hours, tick, tick, tick.

 

Members of the House committee investigating the Capitol riot said Sunday they may subpoena former Vice President Mike Pence and are waiting to hear from Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, about her role in the illegal plot to overturn the 2020 election.

 

Lawmakers indicated they will release more evidence about Donald Trump’s alleged effort to defraud supporters by fundraising off false claims of a stolen presidential election. They also pledged to provide pertinent material to the Justice Department by the end of the month for its criminal investigation.

 

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-us-supreme-court-donald-trump-clarence-thomas-subpoenas-9b2409c95f569ef21acea63b9a3daeb4

[ozimoron]

Lawyers representing MAGA rioter Philip Weisbecker are pleading for leniency for their client on the grounds that he "stood no chance at truly grasping reality" when he stormed the United States Capitol building on January 6th, 2021.

 

In a court filing flagged by CBS News' Scott MacFarlane, Weisbecker's attorneys placed blame on Trump campaign officials who knew that the election had not been stolen from the twice-impeached former president, but nonetheless remained silent as he continued to spread false claims.

 

"When these people failed to correct the narrative, it left a huge informational void that was filled with the likes of conspiracy theorists, online extremists and Trump loyalists willing to manipulate public opinion for their own purposes," the attorneys write.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-sentence-2657538673/

[rudi49jr]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Lawyers representing MAGA rioter Philip Weisbecker are pleading for leniency for their client on the grounds that he "stood no chance at truly grasping reality" when he stormed the United States Capitol building on January 6th, 2021.

 

In a court filing flagged by CBS News' Scott MacFarlane, Weisbecker's attorneys placed blame on Trump campaign officials who knew that the election had not been stolen from the twice-impeached former president, but nonetheless remained silent as he continued to spread false claims.

 

"When these people failed to correct the narrative, it left a huge informational void that was filled with the likes of conspiracy theorists, online extremists and Trump loyalists willing to manipulate public opinion for their own purposes," the attorneys write.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-sentence-2657538673/

Many lawyers defending other rioters/insurrectionists have already used that defense, that it was all Trump’s fault and that their clients didn’t know any better, and no judge has yet fallen for it. As far as I’m concerned, judges can throw the book at all those idiots.

Edited June 21, 2022 by rudi49jr

[johnnybangkok]

16 hours ago, jingjai9 said:

Yes they are being reported, but the public hearings are not truly in the spirit of investigation and fact finding. Why couldn't all the witnesses give information  at the hearings and let people hear all they have to say. Why do we get videotaped testimony that is edited, for example Barr's testimony. Why do we have to hear the collected information being narrated by a congressperson? Why can't we simply listen to all relevant testimony and decide for ourselves. We don't need the Congress to spoon feed us.

Can we really hear all the facts if the investigation and hearings lie in the hands of a Congress that reeks of partisanship.? How about a special prosecutor?

 

Yet more blame apportioned to the wrong people.

 

Trump was invited to speak (under oath) but has refused. He joins a long list of Republicans who have refused to appear to include McCarthy, Jordan, Perry, Biggs and pretty much everyone who backs his election fraud nonsense. And house Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy rejected a bipartisan commission way back in May of 2021 when 2 of his 5 nominees were rejected (although the other 3 were accepted and he could have nominated others). Despite this there are still 2 Republicans on the committee, McCarthy and Kinzinger (and McCarthy was offered an equal number of Republicans to Democrats on the committee but true to form, he refused).

 

You can't throw your toys out of the pram when you were specifically invited to participate but refused to do so. And you certainly can't blame the format or outcome when you had every chance to change it.

[placeholder]

39 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Yet more blame apportioned to the wrong people.

 

Trump was invited to speak (under oath) but has refused. He joins a long list of Republicans who have refused to appear to include McCarthy, Jordan, Perry, Biggs and pretty much everyone who backs his election fraud nonsense. And house Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy rejected a bipartisan commission way back in May of 2021 when 2 of his 5 nominees were rejected (although the other 3 were accepted and he could have nominated others). Despite this there are still 2 Republicans on the committee, McCarthy and Kinzinger (and McCarthy was offered an equal number of Republicans to Democrats on the committee but true to form, he refused).

 

You can't throw your toys out of the pram when you were specifically invited to participate but refused to do so. And you certainly can't blame the format or outcome when you had every chance to change it.

Actually, McCarthy rejected the independent commission 2 months before he pulled members out of the jan 6 committee.

[Chomper Higgot]

21 hours ago, nauseus said:

Just look the "hearing" prime time viewing numbers.

I guess you believe watching TV is the only way to get the news?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

 

Pelosi agreed to everything the Republicans wanted, except the inclusion of Jim Jordan and Jim Banks whilst approving Rodney Davis, Kelly Armstrong and Troy Nehls even though they had objected to Bidens certification as POTUS.

 

McCarthy then used this as justification to pull out of a committee he was looking to pull out of anyway.  

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

This is not a court, it’s an investigation.

 

The court comes later.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, McCarthy rejected the independent commission 2 months before he pulled members out of the jan 6 committee.

What were they afraid of with an independent commission?

I think we all know that.

They never wanted the truth to come out because they know the truth is damning.

[Chomper Higgot]

The absolute number (nearly 6 in 10) is not the number to watch.

 

What matters is the relative change in the numbers.

That change will not come from hard pro/anti Trump supporters but from the moderate middle ground.

 

It’s the moderate middle that swings elections.

[nauseus]

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jun/08/legitimacy-jan-6-committee-explained/

 

From the GOP side, the main problem seems to be that Pelosi flat rejected Jordan and Banks as being "too closely tied to Trump" to help carry out a credible investigation". How can anyone expect to get any bipartisan cooperation when elected representatives are discounted like that?

 

What about the rest of the proposed committee that have long histories of being overly anti Trump? What's wrong with having some balance? This partisan (Pelosi) action and the reasoning for it, revealed that this whole sham is about a virtual third Trump impeachment, more than anything to do with stopping future similar riots. 

Edited June 22, 2022 by onthedarkside
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