Thai stats indicate BA.4, BA.5 likely more serious than other COVID sub-variants

[goatfarmer]

4 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

The question now is .... is it more serious or not more serious??? To be or not to be ... that is the question...Or is it just talk to impress people with nothing?

The question is, "Is it a public health emergency?" 

[goatfarmer]

4 hours ago, tandor said:

...it is expected to be with us for decades, accounting already for 30% of hospital admissions. Sars Covi-2 has muscled its way into the line of other upper respiratory tract diseases and is here to stay. The more of us that get vaccinated then the safer we all will be and the weaker the virus will become over time. As long as our everyday life is disrupted, then we remain in a Pandemic. Assess your symptoms and self-isolate, think of others and wear your mask. If you are elderly have your GP prescribe Anti Viral medications. (My Reference by the way is leading US Pediatrician Dr. Paul Offit of This Week in Virology, (TWiV), YouTube Podcast, Episode 917 at 24 minutes). The sub-variant BA. 5 is expected to become the dominant sub-variant and initial testing has shown the bodies' antibodies have a weaker response to this sub-variant. A full study is presently underway regarding BA.5 with results in a few weeks. I hope this information is of assistance.

1. The more of us get vaccinated the weaker the virus will be doesn't follow. Some will have natural immunity. 

2. Everyday life will only be disrupted if you let it be disrupted. Sitting here in Greece, there are very few people wearing masks, restaurants are full and covid seems to be the last thing on people's minds.

3. Offit and TWIV are very authoritative sources. I will listen to the one you mentioned. Thanks for that.

4. BA.5 may be a different subvariant but it's still omicron. If you've had omicron recently you should still have antibody protection. "The body's antibodies" is a misnomer. Antibodies are variant specific. I recommend listening to Monica Ghandi on one of Peter Attia's The Drive podcast. She explains how T cells created after an infection with any variant will create antibodies for any other variant. That takes time - maybe a week, so it won't prevent getting sick, but it should prevent the more severe outcomes.

 

This might be the link to the Monica Ghandi interview:
https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/

 

It was a while ago. 

 

 

[overherebc]

5 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

The question now is .... is it more serious or not more serious??? To be or not to be ... that is the question...Or is it just talk to impress people with nothing?

Nope, not 2B it's BA4 or BA5.

Sorry.

Edited July 12, 2022 by overherebc

[Exilerunner]

This is Thai non scientific nonsense. The The BA.4 and BA.5 variants do infect more people than the older omicron variants but they are not more lethal. The reason why we see the hospitals get filled up is just a numbers game. A small percentage of a larger population will yield a larger number of patients.

[Caldera]

Nonsensical stats, as they don't do nearly enough testing and sequencing to get solid numbers they can base comparisons on.

[Photoguy21]

6 hours ago, ardsong said:

nothing wrong is learning from other reliable sources.

that is how aviation got the incidents down.

From a reliable source definitely. Pity the BBC isn't a reliable source.

[WhatsNext]

O my god more dangerous ! Quickly extend the state of emergency, because really that is what it's all about ; the power not the virus.

[simonok]

1 hour ago, WhatsNext said:

O my god more dangerous ! Quickly extend the state of emergency, because really that is what it's all about ; the power not the virus.

Media BS ....the last sentence makes it clear to anyone who bothers to read more than the headline.....

 

He admitted, however, that the number of cases examined by the Department of Medical Sciences is not enough to determine with certainty that BA.4 and BA.5 are more serious.

[JayBird]

4 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

How about not being such a 'snowflake' living in fear of such a little virus?  How about not being so scared that you won't go outside unless you wear double masks and a face shield, plastic gloves and keep washing yourself down the hand sanitizer. ????

I don't live in fear.  I'm vaccinated ????

 

I also don't wear masks because.. you know.. I'm vaccinated.

 

I do wash myself regularly tho, but that's just good hygiene.

[Purdey]

9 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Not so easy to Work from Home I reckon

You are correct. It isn't that airplanes don't have good air filtration. They do. Yet, people were asking in 2019 how come a Chinese virus went to the UK. Ahem. ????

[paulikens]

15 hours ago, JayBird said:

It's a vaccine booster shot.  You're not being asked to climb Everest naked or eat a kilo of dung everyday.  Y'all need to stop being such snowflakes and living in fear of a little needle.

@JayBird no-one is scared of a needle but the people who dont want a vaccine or a booster have a right to decide what they put in their body.   

[sawadee1947]

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

You are correct. It isn't that airplanes don't have good air filtration. They do. Yet, people were asking in 2019 how come a Chinese virus went to the UK. Ahem. ????

??? We are talking about pilots and cabin crew, don't we?

[rabang]

11 hours ago, bestie said:

Hard to say and to accept it, but there isn't any way that life is coming back to "normal". Like we know it before Covid.

It's here to stay it and so are the restrictions, rising prices, vaccine or mask mandates, tests and so on. Even if you trying to ignoring it, you can't really, because it effects all of us, friends or family. And this isn't normal.  

Hardly anyone cares about those issues over here. No restrictions, no masks or vaccine mandates. Hardly anyone bothers with testing anymore either. It is only sites like this concentrating on covid paranoid countries like Thailand, some Twitter nutters and a few headlines every now and then that remind me of its existence. Otherwise I wouldn't know.

[Pilot3Boz]

So 0.02% of the 570 reviewed were "serve" cases... Again the common Flu triggers that threshold... 

[hotchilli]

On 7/11/2022 at 8:51 PM, snoop1130 said:

He admitted, however, that the number of cases examined by the Department of Medical Sciences is not enough to determine with certainty that BA.4 and BA.5 are more serious.

Nuff said.

[Purdey]

9 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

??? We are talking about pilots and cabin crew, don't we?

Airplanes contain pilots, cabin crew and passengers. 

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

Airplanes contain pilots, cabin crew and passengers. 

Yeah, and YOU have seen those in home office? Really? ????

[freedomnow]

oh..old news we have "Centaurus" now....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/12/centaurus-virologists-express-concern-at-new-covid-subvariant-omicron

The BA.2.75 variant – nicknamed “Centaurus”

 

 

....the new jabbering meme for this year...and exactly nicknamed by who....?

[WhatsNext]

15 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

oh..old news we have "Centaurus" now....

To reduce fear, but which government wants that right ?, we will use happy girly names for new variants and others. Let's start with Pinky or April or Suzanne. 

" you seem to have a cold, yeah it's Suzanne 4b " see how much less scary that is than CENTAURUS. 

 

The west has gone completely and utterly insane, it makes our home country here in SEA look almost normal. 

Edited July 13, 2022 by WhatsNext

[JayBird]

15 hours ago, paulikens said:

@JayBird no-one is scared of a needle but the people who dont want a vaccine or a booster have a right to decide what they put in their body.   

The argument I often hear about why one does not want to have the shot are arguments that I find hard to accept:

-- 5G chips

-- Made from dead babies

-- Lizardmen blood

-- Bill gates will monitor me

-- CIA is tracking me

-- It will change my DNA and I'll turn into a lizard man

 

It's hard for me to agree with that reasoning.  If they come up with more coherent arguments:

-- I do not care if I get sick and make others sick

-- Keeping my body pure from this vaccine is more important than helping keep the community safe

-- I have medical conditions that make this dangerous for me

 

Then I may or may not agree with their position, but at least it is a coherent reasoning that I can understand.

 

But given that our bodies are so full of junk already, a vaccine booster is probably the cleanest thing to get put in it ????

[paulikens]

13 hours ago, JayBird said:

The argument I often hear about why one does not want to have the shot are arguments that I find hard to accept:

-- 5G chips

-- Made from dead babies

-- Lizardmen blood

-- Bill gates will monitor me

-- CIA is tracking me

-- It will change my DNA and I'll turn into a lizard man

 

It's hard for me to agree with that reasoning.  If they come up with more coherent arguments:

-- I do not care if I get sick and make others sick

-- Keeping my body pure from this vaccine is more important than helping keep the community safe

-- I have medical conditions that make this dangerous for me

 

Then I may or may not agree with their position, but at least it is a coherent reasoning that I can understand.

 

But given that our bodies are so full of junk already, a vaccine booster is probably the cleanest thing to get put in it ????

@JayBird i don't think you heard the reasons you quoted often.  most people reasons are as i said its their choice what they put in their bodies and they choose not to which is their right, and you say our bodies are full of junk already, whatever is in anyone's body junk or not has still been put there by choice.     

Edited July 13, 2022 by paulikens

[smiggley]

What happened to the common cold or influenza have they disappeared because of new covid strains?????

[morrobay]

On 7/13/2022 at 9:05 AM, JayBird said:

The argument I often hear about why one does not want to have the shot are arguments that I find hard to accept:

-- 5G chips

-- Made from dead babies

-- Lizardmen blood

-- Bill gates will monitor me

-- CIA is tracking me

-- It will change my DNA and I'll turn into a lizard man

 

It's hard for me to agree with that reasoning.  If they come up with more coherent arguments:

-- I do not care if I get sick and make others sick

-- Keeping my body pure from this vaccine is more important than helping keep the community safe

-- I have medical conditions that make this dangerous for me

 

Then I may or may not agree with their position, but at least it is a coherent reasoning that I can understand.

 

But given that our bodies are so full of junk already, a vaccine booster is probably the cleanest thing to get put in it ????

https://www.reddit.com/r/vaccinelonghauler/

[jacko45k]

7 hours ago, smiggley said:

What happened to the common cold or influenza have they disappeared because of new covid strains?????

We have had less of them due to the Covid measures.... and change in behaviour. I had my first cold for many many months in June.... 

I don't believe Covid strains have affected them directly but obviously less about. 

[sezze]

7 hours ago, smiggley said:

What happened to the common cold or influenza have they disappeared because of new covid strains?????

No it is around and this year a lot (in Europe) . However there is a huge outbreak going on , but since most are vaccinated and came in contact with Covid before , the health risks are increasingly less then before . I had covid last month , and on the place i work , i know and heard of several others who are home with positive covid . Many aren't in the statistics anymore , since hospitals are in no way in trouble anymore . Maybe some companies get in trouble because too many get it in too short time frame but that's about it . This will be the case in all other places in this world also . Is covid away , nope , it will never go away anymore . Will it stay a issue ? , well no because it is less and less dangerous .

[paulikens]

On 7/14/2022 at 7:04 PM, jacko45k said:

We have had less of them due to the Covid measures.... and change in behaviour. I had my first cold for many many months in June.... 

I don't believe Covid strains have affected them directly but obviously less about. 

@jacko45k????

[sometime]

On 7/12/2022 at 8:05 AM, JayBird said:

It's a vaccine booster shot.  You're not being asked to climb Everest naked or eat a kilo of dung everyday.  Y'all need to stop being such snowflakes and living in fear of a little needle.

Its got FA to do with the needle its the stuff inside   https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/uk-government-data-shows-nobody-should?s=r