Man charged with raping Ohio girl, 10, who was denied abortion

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

This thread is about abortion laws. Everything else is off topic. You're only attempting to deflect by suggesting that such rapes are only perpetrated by illegal immigrants.

Please refresh my old memory, Where did I suggest such rapes are only perpetrated by illegals?

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Please refresh my old memory, Where did I suggest such rapes are only perpetrated by illegals?

 

What then is your purpose for focussing on the unrelated immigration status of the rapist?

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18 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

This particular thread is about the rapist which included his immigration status which is 100% on topic.

And what rational conclusions can be drawn from this case about the danger posed by illegal immigrants vs. legal residents of the USA?

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

What then is your purpose for focussing on the unrelated immigration status of the rapist?

I was focusing on the poor 10 yr old being raped. To me that's the story. The rapist immigration status was part of the story.

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

This particular thread is about the rapist which included his immigration status which is 100% on topic.

His immigration status makes NO DIFFERENCE to the situation of the raped young girl.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And what rational conclusions can be drawn from this case about the danger posed by illegal immigrants vs. legal residents of the USA?

For one as an illegal the rapist shouldn't have been in the USA to commit this heinous crime. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Some folks have an ability to multi focus. in my opinion when the story broke the fact that a 10 yr old was raped was the true story. 

 

The fact the rapist is an illegal alien is the second part of the story which the conservatives will pounce on and rightfully so.   

Conservatives?

NO!

The people behind these draconian abortion laws are not conservatives!

Conservatives would have respected Roe vs. Wade as settled law subject to stare decisis.

Conservatives wouldn't have lied under oath in the senate that they respected that when they didn't.

No, sir, these are radical right wing extremists forcing their retrograde theocratic "morality" on a public that has overwhelmingly moved on from that.

Edited July 14, 2022 by Jingthing

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I was focusing on the poor 10 yr old being raped. To me that's the story. The rapist immigration status was part of the story.

Was the color of his socks also part of the story? You haven't manged a cogent argument to conflate his immigration status with the rape. You can say "it's part of the story" all you like but until you can say exactly how it's part of the story then it isn't. Bottom line, cut the dog whistles.

[alanrchase]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

You've got the same link as me. This whole thing is wrong on so many levels, can't deny an illegal doing this does add insult to injury.

One of the worst posts I've seen in years. The suggestion that the rape would not have been so bad if it was carried out by a US citizen. 

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26 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

For one as an illegal the rapist shouldn't have been in the USA to commit this heinous crime. 

The question was about the danger posed by illegal immigrants. How does that compare to the danger posed by legal residents of the USA?

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Was the color of his socks also part of the story? You haven't manged a cogent argument to conflate his immigration status with the rape. You can say "it's part of the story" all you like but until you can say exactly how it's part of the story then it isn't. Bottom line, cut the dog whistles.

Mr Fuentes is a Guatemalan national and is in the US illegally, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement source told Fox News. 

 

As per the story which began this thread.

[ripstanley]

This story is about a RAPE of a 9 or 10 year old girl being denied an abortion. The rapist should be castrated and the US state of Ohio should hold their heads in shame.

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Mr Fuentes is a Guatemalan national and is in the US illegally, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement source told Fox News. 

 

As per the story which began this thread.

The rapist's immigration status was only raised in order to oppose bail. It is irrelevant to the crime. You have not yet outlined any way in which they are connected.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, John Drake said:

One thing is for certain and that is Fuentes has been in the country since Biden has been president, and the child rape occurred during Biden's presidency. All the time, Biden had it as his responsibility to enforce US immigration law and deport illegal aliens. How many illegals has Biden deported from the US interior and Ohio, for instance? Why didn't Fuentes fear getting deported more than carrying out a child rape? Why are hundreds and thousands of illegals pouring across the border even as I write this? 

Do you truly think that Joe Biden should be personally on duty 24/7 monitoring every single illegal immigrant. There are whole departments of people plus the police whose job it is to find and apprehend illegals. That is their job and what they get paid to do.

 

Joe Biden's job is the same as every other POTUS throughout the US history and that is to run the whole country.

[EVENKEEL]

34 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The question was about the danger posed by illegal immigrants. How does that compare to the danger posed by legal residents of the USA?

I'd say this particular illegal posed a significant danger. 

[Reposed]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Rapists include citizens and also migrants, legal and illegal.

 

Yes, but in this case, as in many others, one less illegal would mean one less rape.

 

 

[Longwood50]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The issue here is about barbaric abortion laws triggered by the radical right wingers on the illegitimate Supreme Court trashing constitutional rights that had been in effect for 50 years.

You are going to have to read up on the constitution.  There is no constitutional right to an abortion.  If there was an provision in the consitution it would have had to go to a vote of all 50 states and 2/3rds of the states would have to ratify it. 

Also the Supreme Court ruling did not abolish abortion.  In 20 states and the District of Columbia abortion remains without restriction.  Some like Ohio permit it but not after a fetal heartbeat is detected.  Others have different rules. 

The only thing the Supreme Court ruling did was say this was a states right issue and that each state has the responsibility and authority for determining its law governing abortion. 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Longwood50 said:

You are going to have to read up on the constitution.  There is no constitutional right to an abortion.  If there was an provision in the consitution it would have had to go to a vote of all 50 states and 2/3rds of the states would have to ratify it. 

Also the Supreme Court ruling did not abolish abortion.  In 20 states and the District of Columbia abortion remains without restriction.  Some like Ohio permit it but not after a fetal heartbeat is detected.  Others have different rules. 

The only thing the Supreme Court ruling did was say this was a states right issue and that each state has the responsibility and authority for determining its law governing abortion. 

What twisted logic makes abortion a states rights issue? If ever there was a policy screaming out for a national approach this is it.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

You have to admit that it certainly is questionable that a 9 or 10 year old girl would have reached puberty.  Certainly not out of the question but somewhat unusual. 

A couple of points.  Ohio only restricts abortion after there is a fetal heartbeat.  So the girl could have terminated the pregnancy, at any time prior to that occuring. 

If she reported the rape the hospital would have likely given her a morning after pill which are effective for up to five days, they are also available without prescription at any pharmacy.  If longer than 5 days but before a fetal heartbeat, a D&E could have been performed to end the pregnancy. 

One way or another the situation described is meant to tug the heartstrings of those who point to it as a reason for abortion.  The fact is, that in the USA there were 622,000 abortions last year.  42% of those were to women seeking their second, third, or fourth abortion.  That number is likely low since it is based solely on what the women told the clinic performing the abortion and some may have been embarrased to say they had had an abortion previously. 

I can certainly favor abortions in the case of rape, incest, or where the baby has a severe birth defect.  Those however would be rare and not amount to anywhere's close to the 622,000 thousand.  The fact is that both men and women are irresponsible and using an abortion to erase the consequences of their irresponsibility. 

I have to admit I find it extremely hypocritical that many of the same people who push for abortion also push to fine and even imprison people who so much as disturb a sea turtle or eagles egg.  And those are still eggs and more importantly not human.  

Though it will never be 100% effective the answer lies in getting people to responsibly deal with their choice to have sex.  Those instances of rape, incest, or severe birth deformaties can and should be the exceptions and not the wholesale slaughter of unborn children.  

The other point that is very hypocritical is that of the 622,000 abortions 40% are to black women, though blacks make up only about 13% of the USA population.  I guess BLM only sometimes. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/30/texas-abortion-black-women/

Great idea. Blame the 10 year old victim for not reporting it or going to hospital.

 

She is now 10 years old <deleted>, and 9 when it happened. At that age she was most probably scared to do anything at all.

 

I can't imagine ANY 9 year old girl going to a hospital and telling them that she had been raped. It must have taken all of her courage even to tell he mother, nor would I think that she would even be able to find the words to describe what happened to her.

[ozimoron]

Among the sceptics was congressman Jim Jordan, an Ohio Republican, who had tweeted on Tuesday that the story was "another lie".

As news of the court appearance emerged on Wednesday, Mr Jordan appeared to have quietly deleted that tweet.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62158357

 

Jon Cooper also had a word of advice for the Republican lawmaker. "Now that this 10-year-old girl’s rapist has been arrested, you owe the rape victim a PUBLIC APOLOGY for calling her a liar," Cooper tweeted. "Are you man enough to do that, [Jim Jordan]?"

 

https://www.rawstory.com/disturbed-jim-jordan-draws-outrage-after-he-deletes-tweet-calling-story-of-10-year-old-rape-victim-another-lie/

Edited July 14, 2022 by ozimoron

[JeffersLos]

It's simple to cross state lines, so what's the big deal about that? 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

It's simple to cross state lines, so what's the big deal about that? 

Depends on exactly where you are in the country. For many, such trips will involve very long distances and great expenses that poorer women can't afford.

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33 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'd say this particular illegal posed a significant danger. 

And when a legal resident commits a heinous crime, would you say that they posed a significant danger?

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

It's simple to cross state lines, so what's the big deal about that? 

You don't see an issue about inequality here? Why should it be harder for one woman and not another?

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I can't imagine ANY 9 year old girl going to a hospital and telling them that she had been raped. It must have taken all of her courage even to tell he mother, nor would I think that she would even be able to find the words to describe what happened to her.

Looking at the timeline its possible you are correct :

 

On May 12, 2022, he allegedly impregnated a girl, then 9.

On June 22, 2022, the mother of the girl he allegedly impregnated filed a referral with the Franklin County Children

 

So well over 5 weeks before her mum reported it probably due to the poor girl being too traumatized and scared to say anything but then showing symptoms of being pregnant and either telling her mum or her mum became suspicious.

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And when a legal resident commits a heinous crime, would you say that they posed a significant danger?

deflection, 

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1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

deflection, 

Not at all. You seem to think it's significant that the perpetrator was an illegal immigrant. Why is it significant? Just because it's a fact, that doesn't make it significant. Any more than hair color or height.

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

deflection, 

and yet it isn't a deflection when the rapist is an illegal immigrant?

[EVENKEEL]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

and yet it isn't a deflection when the rapist is an illegal immigrant?

no, I'm glad you get it.

[MrJ2U]

7 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Mr Fuentes is a Guatemalan national and is in the US illegally, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement source told Fox News. 

 

Good job joe.

Freaking religious right supreme court.

 

Good job Trump.