14 minutes ago, candide said:

So it' just a misunderstanding. They just got inflamed by his other statements and did not notice this particular statement including "peacefully" ...

Wait! Why didn't he quickly told them that they misunderstood him, instead of watching the assault on TV for 3 hours? ????

We are actually off topic but the CNN link lists Trump tweeting asking for peaceful behaviour again at 2:38 and 3:13 before he asks the rioters to go home in the vdo at 4:17. So to say that he did nothing is at least misleading.

 

 https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/jan-6-us-capitol-riot-timeline/index.html

 

Edited August 1, 20223 yr by nauseus

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There was a point in all that?

Sure.  The point you keep trying to divert away from.  The point that Trump could have stopped the attack on the Capitol with a single tweet but chose not to do so.  Thank you for allowing me to make it again.

3 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Sure.  The point you keep trying to divert away from.  The point that Trump could have stopped the attack on the Capitol with a single tweet but chose not to do so.  Thank you for allowing me to make it again.

Read the post upstairs and get back to me when you have time.

12 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Bill Clinton was a centreist I think. Sort of.

 

Hard to gauge unless you know them.

 

They say one thing do another.

 

Biden talks left yet his family lines their pockets.

 

Most big time socialists only apply socialism to others.

 

Come on! By international standards, the Democratic party is far from being socialist. In other western countries, it would be considered as being center, or even right of center. As concerns its "leftist" policies, such as those about health and social security, they have been implemented by right-wing parties and people, starting with Bismarck in the 19th century.

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And Trump's defenders divert away from it rather than address it every time.  Thanks for helping me make the point.

It has been stated over and over again that Trump tweeted asking his supporters to remain  peaceful (during the disturbance) and he also made a video asking for non violence . 

    You just ignore that and keep making the same false allegations over and over again and people lose the will to keep replying stating the truth and reality

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

We are actually off topic but the CNN link lists Trump tweeting asking for peaceful behaviour at 2:38 and 3:13 before he asks the, to go home in the vdo at 4:17. So to say he did nothing is at least misleading.

 

 https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/10/politics/jan-6-us-capitol-riot-timeline/index.html

 

Be careful, they updated it to include some of Hutchinson's testimony.

In neither of those tweets does Trump ask his supporters to leave the Capitol.  In the 4:17 video Trump praises the rioters but tells them to go home, and he again promotes the stolen election lie.  Not the clear and decisive direction that was needed.  His "stand back and stand by" direction to the Proud Boys was clearer than those tame tweets and video.

 

The Capitol was breached around 2 p.m.  Pence was evacuated at 2:26 and the House went into recess due to the breach at 2:30. 

14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Read the post upstairs and get back to me when you have time.

Same to you.

 

27 minutes ago, heybruce said:

And Trump's defenders divert away from it rather than address it every time.  Thanks for helping me make the point.

Nothing to address unless you are obsessed with the topic after years of trying to pin something on him. Meanwhile the media continue to divert away from the disastrous present non President, his joke VP and very dodgy son.

Edited August 1, 20223 yr by proton

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It has been stated over and over again that Trump tweeted asking his supporters to remain  peaceful (during the disturbance) and he also made a video asking for non violence . 

    You just ignore that and keep making the same false allegations over and over again and people lose the will to keep replying stating the truth and reality

Trump didn't even acknowledge his supporters were in the Capitol until more than two hours after the attack began, and he didn't ask them to leave until after it was clear they would not prevent the election certification.

Just now, proton said:

Nothing to address unless you are obsessed with the topic after years of trying to pin something on him. Meanwhile the media continue to divert away from the disastrous non President, his joke VP and very dodgy son.

Irony alert.

 

You tried to deflect by claIming the media is deflecting.

 

Don’t fret, the DoJ is not being deflected.

3 minutes ago, proton said:

Nothing to address unless you are obsessed with the topic after years of trying to pin something on him. Meanwhile the media continue to divert away from the disastrous present non President, his joke VP and very dodgy son.

Here's two things I can pin on him:

 

Trump did not call off the rioters in the Capitol until after it was clear they would not succeed in preventing the certification of the election.

 

Trump will not concede he lost the election, in spite of having no evidence of election fraud on a scale anywhere near large enough to change the outcome.  Democracy can not work unless losing candidates accept election results.

10 minutes ago, heybruce said:

In neither of those tweets does Trump ask his supporters to leave the Capitol.  In the 4:17 video Trump praises the rioters but tells them to go home, and he again promotes the stolen election lie.  Not the clear and decisive direction that was needed.  His "stand back and stand by" direction to the Proud Boys was clearer than those tame tweets and video.

 

The Capitol was breached around 2 p.m.  Pence was evacuated at 2:26 and the House went into recess due to the breach at 2:30. 

There is no pleasing you, is there? 

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There is no pleasing you, is there? 

If Trump would acknowledge that the election was fair and the results legitimate and he would stop undermining democracy it would please me tremendously.

 

I don't think that's going to happen.  Do you?

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Here's two things I can pin on him:

 

Trump did not call off the rioters in the Capitol until after it was clear they would not succeed in preventing the certification of the election.

 

Trump will not concede he lost the election, in spite of having no evidence of election fraud on a scale anywhere near large enough to change the outcome.  Democracy can not work unless losing candidates accept election results.

Like Hillary you mean? how many years did she go on about it and crying she won the popular vote. Trump was cheated by the anti media assault on him and lies by the Democrats for 4 years.

39 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That's a weird request.   What does economics have to do with my post and why do you want me to study it?

Then you would know the difference between capitalism and socialism.

 

Just now, heybruce said:

If Trump would acknowledge that the election was fair and the results legitimate and he would stop undermining democracy it would please me tremendously.

 

I don't think that's going to happen.  Do you?

Yet another new question? If it means pleasing you I would say he certainly won't formally concede. 

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If Trump would acknowledge that the election was fair and the results legitimate and he would stop undermining democracy it would please me tremendously.

 

I don't think that's going to happen.  Do you?

We dont know it was.

40 minutes ago, candide said:

Come on! By international standards, the Democratic party is far from being socialist. In other western countries, it would be considered as being center, or even right of center. As concerns its "leftist" policies, such as those about health and social security, they have been implemented by right-wing parties and people, starting with Bismarck in the 19th century.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2016/0216/Why-Bill-Clinton-could-never-be-the-Democratic-nominee-today

14 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Politics-Voices/2016/0216/Why-Bill-Clinton-could-never-be-the-Democratic-nominee-today

From The Christian Science Monitor! A reference! ????

4 minutes ago, candide said:

From The Christian Science Monitor! A reference! ????

Which part is wrong?

Or just bigoted against Christians?

27 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

We dont know it was.

I thought you not a Trump's fan yet you defend his election denial lies. You can't be taken seriously. Maybe a troll playing both sides. 

11 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Which part is wrong?

Or just bigoted against Christians?

What does it tell? That Clinton was not left-wing (I.e. compared to Sanders)? It only tells what they (Christian monitoring Science, gulp) consider as "left-wing".

Let's be practical. Which current Dem policies do you consider as being "Socialist"? I can already bet they have been implemented in other Western countries by right-wing or centrist parties.

Tell me.

Edited August 1, 20223 yr by candide

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I thought you not a Trump's fan yet you defend his election denial lies. You can't be taken seriously. Maybe a troll playing both sides. 

12 midnight to 6am it all changed. I watched the tv coverage.

 

Is this normal?

 

Not where Im from. The vote counting has more integrity

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-faith-election-integrity-drops-poll/story?id=82069876

 

80% of americans agree with me.

 

You are in the minority

7 minutes ago, candide said:

What does it tell? That Clinton was not left-wing (I.e. compared to Sanders)? It only tells what they (Christian monitoring Science, gulp) consider as "left-wing".

Let's be practical. Which current Dem policies do you consider as being "Socialist"? I can already bet they have been implemented in other Western countries by right-wing or centrist parties.

Tell me.

Read the link

9 minutes ago, candide said:

What does it tell? That Clinton was not left-wing (I.e. compared to Sanders)? It only tells what they (Christian monitoring Science, gulp) consider as "left-wing".

Let's be practical. Which current Dem policies do you consider as being "Socialist"? I can already bet they have been implemented in other Western countries by right-wing or centrist parties.

Tell me.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/23/have-democrats-become-a-party-of-the-left/

17 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/07/23/have-democrats-become-a-party-of-the-left/

Republicans have moved further to the right than Democrats have to the left

• Both parties have moved further away from the ideological center since the early 1970s. Democrats on average have become somewhat more liberal, while Republicans on average have become much more conservative.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/

2 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

12 midnight to 6am it all changed. I watched the tv coverage.

 

Is this normal?

 

Not where Im from. The vote counting has more integrity

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/americans-faith-election-integrity-drops-poll/story?id=82069876

 

80% of americans agree with me.

 

You are in the minority

That claim was reviewed and debunked. Likely to be 65% Republicans didn’t trust the election. Trump’s own AG and Home Security said election not rigged. Courts said the same.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/feb/02/viral-image/no-most-americans-dont-believe-2020-election-was-f/

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Republicans have moved further to the right than Democrats have to the left

• Both parties have moved further away from the ideological center since the early 1970s. Democrats on average have become somewhat more liberal, while Republicans on average have become much more conservative.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/

Explains a lot.

14 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Read the link

Which issues do they address in the link?

- death penalty. Being against death penalty is not being socialist

- same sex marriage: allowed in plenty of western countries governed by right-wing parties,

- public health insurance: Implemented in plenty of countries governed by right-wing parties. First time by Bismarck who surely wasn't socialist. The most extreme version, the British NHS, has been promoted by right-wing Brexiters as a reason for leaving the EU,

 

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Republicans have moved further to the right than Democrats have to the left

• Both parties have moved further away from the ideological center since the early 1970s. Democrats on average have become somewhat more liberal, while Republicans on average have become much more conservative.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/

 

8 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Explains a lot.

Liberal is not the same as socialist (by international standards).