The cannabis debate continues, but can Thailand control it?

[stoner]

11 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017839

hahahah 

 

9 out of 10 doctors recommend camels. 

 

from the article....

 

and 63.7 per cent said people should register to grow cannabis in order to curb imports of the herb.

 

this made me giggle. 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by stoner

[starky]

14 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017839

Wow a poll of 2000 people. Like the polls they constantly say what an incredible job the junta and co are doing? Mate your entitled to your opinion but surely not even you put any faith in one poll from the Nation. Its a country of near 80 million i would go so far to say as you have zero knowledge of what "most" of the population would be interested in. Stop extracting the urine. 

Edited July 27, 2022 by starky

[jvs]

2 hours ago, isanviking said:

No way they can stop this now. There is so much cannabis out there now ???? 

Do you think there is a whole lot more now or is it more in the open now?

The day after it became legal i saw many pictures of fully grown plants.

In front of the house now instead of guerilla style.

 

[starky]

11 minutes ago, jvs said:

Do you think there is a whole lot more now or is it more in the open now?

The day after it became legal i saw many pictures of fully grown plants.

In front of the house now instead of guerilla style.

 

Eggs zachary. Like coincidentally there was 1000s of pounds of hydro just miraculously waiting to be sold the DAY it became legal. And people lining up around the block to buy it. Strange. 

[LukKrueng]

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

the article showing data on adverse effects on growing brains/children.   Adults not affected as much.

Hence the law permitting usage for people over 20

[hotchilli]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

They now expect the return of the swinging 60’s, with hordes of tourists used to eating cookies in Amsterdam or across California, now heading to the true Land of the Smiles!!!

I thought they wanted millionaires with bulging pockets?

[San Fran Dan]

Stop the drama. NOT one news story about ABUSE , cats outta the bag <deleted> 

[SOTIRIOS]

...It Would Seem That... 'Anti' 'Mouthpieces' Have Been Put Up To It By Certain...'Interests'......

 

...Which Ones....(?)....Not Hard To Guess.....

 

...And What Is The Other 'Problem'......That The Price Has Gone Down....(?)......

[George Aylesham]

7 hours ago, 2baht said:

They'll stumble their way along in the dark and eventually the pieces will fall into place, it seems to work for them in most things! No need to think too mut!

 

 

Well it certainly worked with the management of Covid with far lower numbers of deaths than most of the countries in the Western world and an effective, cheap app, Morprom, which actually works.

[KannikaP]

3 hours ago, SOTIRIOS said:

...It Would Seem That... 'Anti' 'Mouthpieces' Have Been Put Up To It By Certain...'Interests'......

 

...Which Ones....(?)....Not Hard To Guess.....

 

...And What Is The Other 'Problem'......That The Price Has Gone Down....(?)......

Take 'Capitalise every word' off please, unless you think it looks good like this.

Edited July 27, 2022 by KannikaP

[starky]

On 7/27/2022 at 8:12 AM, Gecko123 said:

People are just waiting for the law to be clarified.

 

I think people who are arguing "the cat's out of the bag" and that the open sale and usage of cannabis for recreational purposes is here to stay are kidding themselves. A major walk back is in the works.

 

I think cannabis tourism is an absolute abomination. Anyone promoting this idea has put financial gain and self-interest ahead of the interests of Thai society as a whole.

 

I know these are unpopular opinions on this forum, but I'm entitled to voice them. And furthermore, I think these views are in line with a sizeable majority of the Thai people.

 

Well the majority of the Thai people (including the Thaier than Thai) may be REALLY surprised to know how many of the recreational cannabis commpanies have people named Na Ayuthaya on the books. Not surprisingly if you really stop to think about it. 

[Tony125]

On 7/27/2022 at 10:59 AM, KannikaP said:

Link to your cousins please.  555

When I wrote I never did or took those things you posted  a sad emoji, why?  They say you never miss what you never had. I am naturaly gregariuos and don't need artificial stimulants/chemicals to make me feel good. Cousins some of who were older cuter asked how come you get all the girls. I said you know I don't drink and by the time you guys have  had 2--3 shots to get up the curage to ask them to dance I already have and you guys are sluring your speach and smell of alcohol so they say Pass. I have gone to parties, dances, concerts and have a great time but I don't need drugs to feel that way.

 

Ever hear of Runner's High?

"A runner's high is a brief, deeply relaxing state of euphoria. Euphoria is a sense of extreme joy or delight. In this case, it occurs after intense or lengthy exercise. Often, people who experience a runner's high also report feeling less anxiety and pain immediately after their run."

I started running in Jr High an also trained in Martial arts so didn;t need chemicals or MJ to make me feel good or relax me. 

I don't look down on those that need help to relax ,reduce anxiatey or boost their spirits and I will sit in a bar  with friends to socialise but I'm only drinking Coke or 7-Up.

 

Gen Z Is Sober Curious: Why Many Young People Are Rethinking Their Relationship With Alcohol

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/gen-z-is-sober-curious-why-many-young-people-are-rethinking-their-relationship-with-alcohol/ar-AA101rBb?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=a7f698e9f4fe49d5b789bf86477757c0

 

 

[bangon04]

On 7/27/2022 at 2:55 AM, shackleton said:

 

Money is going  to be made by those involved in corruption ????

 

 

 

Are we allowed to ask what Anutin has to gain????

[Mr Meeseeks]

On 7/27/2022 at 8:12 AM, Gecko123 said:

I know these are unpopular opinions on this forum, but I'm entitled to voice them. And furthermore, I think these views are in line with a sizeable majority of the Thai people.

Hundreds of thousands of Thai people are growing their own cannabis now. 

 

On 7/27/2022 at 10:48 AM, herfiehandbag said:

Grandad in Manchester sleeps like a baby after a couple of pints of to Boddingtons...

It's hard work at 75 queueing for food at the food banks.

[overherebc]

On 7/28/2022 at 10:41 PM, Tony125 said:

When I wrote I never did or took those things you posted  a sad emoji, why?  They say you never miss what you never had. I am naturaly gregariuos and don't need artificial stimulants/chemicals to make me feel good. Cousins some of who were older cuter asked how come you get all the girls. I said you know I don't drink and by the time you guys have  had 2--3 shots to get up the curage to ask them to dance I already have and you guys are sluring your speach and smell of alcohol so they say Pass. I have gone to parties, dances, concerts and have a great time but I don't need drugs to feel that way.

 

Ever hear of Runner's High?

"A runner's high is a brief, deeply relaxing state of euphoria. Euphoria is a sense of extreme joy or delight. In this case, it occurs after intense or lengthy exercise. Often, people who experience a runner's high also report feeling less anxiety and pain immediately after their run."

I started running in Jr High an also trained in Martial arts so didn;t need chemicals or MJ to make me feel good or relax me. 

I don't look down on those that need help to relax ,reduce anxiatey or boost their spirits and I will sit in a bar  with friends to socialise but I'm only drinking Coke or 7-Up.

 

Gen Z Is Sober Curious: Why Many Young People Are Rethinking Their Relationship With Alcohol

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/gen-z-is-sober-curious-why-many-young-people-are-rethinking-their-relationship-with-alcohol/ar-AA101rBb?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=a7f698e9f4fe49d5b789bf86477757c0

 

 

As John Wayne said   alcohol never solved any problems but then again neither does milk. ????

Edited July 31, 2022 by overherebc

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/car-crashes-motorway-hits-tree-24621979

 

Car crashes off motorway and hits a tree as driver tests positive for cannabis

One lane is closed while the crash is being cleared

 

 

dangerous times dear readers

[KIngsofisaan]

On 7/26/2022 at 8:06 PM, spidermike007 said:

This is not a real debate at all. What they should be debating is the horrible consequences of drunk during and domestic abuse from drunkenness. That is the real issue. 

 

How many people end up wiped out on the road from being a bit too high? Not many. How many people who are high cause horrific accidents? Not many. 

In Thailand, it is still too early to tell how many will wiped out while driving stoned.

 

With the widespread amount of pot and the legalization of such, my feeling is sooner or later, their will be terrible accidents involving large trucks driven by stoners

 

It is only a matter of time

 

 

[KIngsofisaan]

I suspect with tourism in the tank the past 2 years and not rebounding as robust as the government is predicting, legalizing the sale of marijuana is just another money grab.

 

Hotels, restuarants, bars, tourist places all suffering. No money coming in.

 

Marijuana is the great white elephant many Thai's will think they will get rich off.

 

I think the mindset is on the money, not on any ill-effects from the drug itself

 

It also appears some companies, had an advanced notice this was going to be legalized, as evidence of all their commercial packaging, displays and distribution in place one day after the legal announcement.

 

Makes you wonder who own companies such as Greenlab?

 

Greenlab is recruiting investors on their website but no mention of who owns it or who is on the board of directors?

[lemonjelly]

Malaysia recently arrested 3 Thai at the border for failing a THC urine test. 3 days in the clanger and 50k baht fine. It’s going to get messy.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

In Thailand, it is still too early to tell how many will wiped out while driving stoned.

 

With the widespread amount of pot and the legalization of such, my feeling is sooner or later, their will be terrible accidents involving large trucks driven by stoners

 

It is only a matter of time

 

 

You have some strange opinions. Sure, there will likely be some accidents. But, compared to alcohol related deaths? A mere pinhead. 

[KIngsofisaan]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

You have some strange opinions. Sure, there will likely be some accidents. But, compared to alcohol related deaths? A mere pinhead. 

Because my opinions do not match yours, does not make them strange. It makes them my own.

 

You have any idea how many heavy trucks crash in Isaan each week, where the driver is on drugs and not alcohol?

 

Probably not Mike.

 

 

[Smithson]

For almost two months Thailand has had arguably the world's most liberal cannabis laws. What has been the negative impacts so far? If young ppl are smoking then it's certainly better than the YB or even alcohol.

[Smithson]

17 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

In Thailand, it is still too early to tell how many will wiped out while driving stoned.

 

With the widespread amount of pot and the legalization of such, my feeling is sooner or later, their will be terrible accidents involving large trucks driven by stoners

 

It is only a matter of time

 

 

But it's not too early to tell from other countries where it's been legal for years. Has there been a significant increase in road accidents? Any increase at at all?

 

You feel sooner or later there will be terrible accidents involving trucks. Any evidence for this feeling? Cannabis makes you sleepy, truck drivers prefer to stay away. Amphetamines have been the driver's drug of choice for decades.

 

I think the truth is there are very limited negative impacts. People will point to young ones smoking, but if they are choosing it over meth or even alcohol, it's an improvement.

[overherebc]

On 7/27/2022 at 12:46 PM, San Fran Dan said:

Stop the drama. NOT one news story about ABUSE , cats outta the bag <deleted> 

News today says it might be on the way back in.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Smithson said:

For almost two months Thailand has had arguably the world's most liberal cannabis laws. What has been the negative impacts so far? If young ppl are smoking then it's certainly better than the YB or even alcohol.

Have the problems associated with YB and alcohol now been completely eliminated? No, they have not, so a bit of a non sequitur..

[Smithson]

16 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Have the problems associated with YB and alcohol now been completely eliminated? No, they have not, so a bit of a non sequitur..

It's a question, not a conclusion, so isn't a non sequitur. In other countries when cannabis is legalized use of other drugs has fallen. This includes opiates, as ppl move to cannabis for pain relief. Following Thailand's War on Drugs there was an increase in alcohol consumption. People like to change the way they feel, drugs do this, which is why they're popular. Even ppl who claim not to like drugs have trouble going a day without them.

 

It's logical there could be a reduction in the consumption of more harmful substances. If so this would be another positive, but research is needed.

[Tony125]

2 hours ago, Smithson said:

But it's not too early to tell from other countries where it's been legal for years. Has there been a significant increase in road accidents? Any increase at at all?

 

You feel sooner or later there will be terrible accidents involving trucks. Any evidence for this feeling? Cannabis makes you sleepy, truck drivers prefer to stay away. Amphetamines have been the driver's drug of choice for decades.

 

I think the truth is there are very limited negative impacts. People will point to young ones smoking, but if they are choosing it over meth or even alcohol, it's an improvement.

 

THE RISKS OF LEGALIZED MARIJUANA

https://www.primoprevention.com/marijuana/legalized-marijuana-dangers

 

https://www.samhsa.gov/marijuana   Affects youg users brains

Brain health: Marijuana can cause permanent IQ loss of as much as 8 points when people start using it at a young age. These IQ points do not come back, even after quitting marijuana.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, Smithson said:

But it's not too early to tell from other countries where it's been legal for years. Has there been a significant increase in road accidents? Any increase at at all?

Yes:

Where Pot Became Legal, Car Crash Deaths Rose: Study
His team found that after marijuana legalization, the rate of car crashes with injuries increased by nearly 6%, while fatal crashes rose by 4%. No increase in these crashes was seen in states that hadn't legalized marijuana, the researchers noted.

These results are consistent with prior studies
 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-07-19/where-pot-became-legal-car-crash-deaths-rose-study

[KIngsofisaan]

5 hours ago, Smithson said:

But it's not too early to tell from other countries where it's been legal for years. Has there been a significant increase in road accidents? Any increase at at all?

 

You feel sooner or later there will be terrible accidents involving trucks. Any evidence for this feeling? Cannabis makes you sleepy, truck drivers prefer to stay away. Amphetamines have been the driver's drug of choice for decades.

 

I think the truth is there are very limited negative impacts. People will point to young ones smoking, but if they are choosing it over meth or even alcohol, it's an improvement.

I think you are confusing countries where folks know how to driver responsibly with Thailand; where they don't.

[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, KIngsofisaan said:

Because my opinions do not match yours, does not make them strange. It makes them my own.

 

You have any idea how many heavy trucks crash in Isaan each week, where the driver is on drugs and not alcohol?

 

Probably not Mike.

 

 

Again, another strange opinion. Do you recall the nature of the discussion? It was about ganga. Quite different than yaba and meth, in the way it effects the system. Or course drugs cause mayhem. Ganga? Rarely.