Just now, robblok said:

Eh i meant numbers in Thailand because there are none as of yet and there have not been any cases in the news yet. So its all pure speculation. People act like its a huge thing but it is not. 

 

I am not advocating getting stoned and driving I am saying its not a major problem yet. If you really want to save lifes ban alcohol. Don't use the save lives excuse when your not willing to ban alcohol. Because otherwise its all a farce.

Alcohol already has laws regards driving, Thailand is still waiting for those laws on cannabis, is that not the point?

 

The Land Transport Department (DLT) is pushing for a law that bans public transport drivers from using cannabis before driving. Cannabis intoxication will then likely be made illegal for all drivers on Thai roads.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40016102

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just another example

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/30317177

“Through these communications channels, they negotiated on prices and discussed delivery details. After customers transferred money for the illicit drugs, he mailed it to them,”

Of course it makes a difference  A credit card is easily and instantly distinguishable from a debit card by its number  didn't you know that?  As another option they could always nip round the corner to the local dealer as they have done for years regardless of its legal status. and pay in cash or even obtain it on a sale or return basis  shocking eh!

And as for your one example, it is hardly evidence of the mass corruption of youth by the relaxation of cannabis restrictions as the "child" in question also had quite a stash of methamphetamine which is still as illegal as it ever was and also readily available to anybody who wants it

On 7/30/2022 at 4:47 AM, soi3eddie said:

The Thai authorities used to test too. Any positive for drugs then guilty. Different country, different rules as they choose to enforce their law. Simple. Don't do drugs!

 

Heavy marijuana can be dectected up to 30 days after last consumption. You'll need to define "drugs" and "do".

 

Its no more a drug in Thailand than tabacco or alcohol.

Edited July 31, 20224 yr by JensenZ

30 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

California has a similar law on the books it is called Attempted DUI.

https://www.duiblog.com/2022/06/18/understanding-ca-penal-code-21a-attempted-dui/

Alberta in the 70's it was illegal to carry a bottle of booze inside the car if the seal was broken. It had to go in the trunk/boot.

25 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

They collect it from the local school kid drug dealer, like they just had occur in a province here in Thailand which caused a major uproar.  You must not watch the news.

"major uproar" who's words are they ? Yours?   kids have been doing this for years its really nothing new. and has little to do with the current relaxation

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

"major uproar" who's words are they ? Yours?   kids have been doing this for years its really nothing new. and has little to do with the current relaxation

It was in the posted OP, do a search, not my job to find it for you...toodles, and away you go.

12 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Of course it makes a difference  A credit card is easily and instantly distinguishable from a debit card by its number  didn't you know that?  As another option they could always nip round the corner to the local dealer as they have done for years regardless of its legal status. and pay in cash or even obtain it on a sale or return basis  shocking eh!

And as for your one example, it is hardly evidence of the mass corruption of youth by the relaxation of cannabis restrictions as the "child" in question also had quite a stash of methamphetamine which is still as illegal as it ever was and also readily available to anybody who wants it

Who cares? They don't need a credit or debit card to buy it from one of the new online shops that have just been opened since 9th of June all they need is a bank account. A new avenue for them that's never been there before. This in addition now to all the other illegal methods.

As far as addiction goes, here is another recent article. and yes it was an OP herin the AseanNow forums.

 

16 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Of course it makes a difference  A credit card is easily and instantly distinguishable from a debit card by its number  didn't you know that?  As another option they could always nip round the corner to the local dealer as they have done for years regardless of its legal status. and pay in cash or even obtain it on a sale or return basis  shocking eh!

And as for your one example, it is hardly evidence of the mass corruption of youth by the relaxation of cannabis restrictions as the "child" in question also had quite a stash of methamphetamine which is still as illegal as it ever was and also readily available to anybody who wants it

Do you have any experience of drug cannabis taking in youths here in Thailand and how they purchase it? You say experience is your most important asset and disregard links.

 

I do and can tell you since the new laws and the abundance of publicity and shops springing up that experimental usage is on the up, certainly in the adolescent age groups

2 hours ago, CraigInBangkok said:

I get all the cannabis related posts from pot users on this forum but why are so many anti pot people posting. Obviously not your interest, so why waste your time ? As a non drinker, I am not going to be spamming your "its a religous holiday and I cant buy alcohol so I am angry" or "I need a new liver" threads, so why do you <deleted> spam all the cannabis related threads ?  

Aseannow is probably the most prominent expat forum in Thailand, and there is a likelihood that it is monitored to some extent by the government to gauge the opinions of expats and visitors to the Kingdom.

 

I think there is a perception that proponents of recreational use of cannabis are trying to create the FALSE impression that there is universal support for recreational use of cannabis amongst the expat community, and they are doing this by attacking, belittling, and attempting to silence anyone with reservations about whether recreational use of cannabis in Thailand is advisable. To a certain extent, individuals who have an editorial/news reporting function for Aseannow have been guilty of this as well.

 

It is out of the desire to push back against this perceived campaign that compels  many to speak out as persistently as they do on this issue.

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Well you know what they say,,,Those who can, do  Those who can't. teach,  and those who aren't much use at that teach overseas,  I'd concentrate on the task in hand and leave the social concern to others 

Unable to respond you revert to personal insults based on nothing but a fabrication in your mind. 
 

Frequent cannabis use by young people linked to decline in IQ
A study has found that adolescents who frequently use cannabis may experience a decline in Intelligence Quotient (IQ) over time. The findings of the research provide further insight into the harmful neurological and cognitive effects of frequent cannabis use on young people.

The paper, led by researchers at RCSI University of Medicine and Health Sciences, is published in Psychological Medicine.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.htm

9 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Aseannow is probably the most prominent expat forum in Thailand, and there is a likelihood that it is monitored to some extent by the government to gauge the opinions of expats and visitors to the Kingdom.

Seriously?  It's mostly a bunch of bitter old, racist guys who look down and belittle the Thais at every opportunity - they are stupid, greedy, dishonest, can't do an honest day's work, etc.  And half of them don't even live in Thailand.

I hope to God it isn't monitored by the government lest they think we all look at their country and their people this way.  To the PM (who is no doubt reading this now): we don't.

Edited July 31, 20224 yr by josephbloggs

10 pages in and I think we can sum up and move on:

* some people like cannabis.

* some people don't (mostly ones who have never tried it).

* some people think it is appalling that a country can even think of urine testing tourists entering a country.

* some people think this is fine and would be in favour of it in more countires.

 

I think we all know which of the groups we fit in and what type of person fits in the other.  That's it, no one is going to change.  Pretty boring now.

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

10 pages in and I think we can sum up and move on:

* some people like cannabis.

* some people don't (mostly ones who have never tried it).

* some people think it is appalling that a country can even think of urine testing tourists entering a country.

* some people think this is fine and would be in favour of it in more countires.

 

I think we all know which of the groups we fit in and what type of person fits in the other.  That's it, no one is going to change.  Pretty boring now.

Plus, can usually spot the puffers here.......

Several argumentative posts containing petty bickering have been removed.

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Plus, can usually spot the puffers here.......

If you're implying me then you'd be wrong.  I hadn't smoked for maybe 25 years but since it become legal I bought a gram (2 spliffs) just to give it a go.  It was nice, very high quality, and the strain I got was nice and mild.  But that's it, it was for novelty value.  I have kids so I would never smoke it at home - I can take it or leave it.

But I think it is generally harmless and should be legal with proper restrictions: 20 year age limit (which is already in place), I would say no online sales, and there should be some controls on advertising and also on locations of weed shops.  Other than that, go for it.

People like to pigeon hole: if you are in favour of legal weed you must be a stoner.  If you hate Thaksin you must love Prayut (it is possible to dislike both).  Pigeon holing is not good as it is easy to look silly.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

If you're implying me then you'd be wrong.  I hadn't smoked for maybe 25 years but since it become legal I bought a gram (2 spliffs) just to give it a go.  It was nice, very high quality, and the strain I got was nice and mild.  But that's it, it was for novelty value.  I have kids so I would never smoke it at home - I can take it or leave it.

But I think it is generally harmless and should be legal with proper restrictions: 20 year age limit (which is already in place), I would say no online sales, and there should be some controls on advertising and also on locations of weed shops.  Other than that, go for it.

People like to pigeon hole: if you are in favour of legal weed you must be a stoner.  If you hate Thaksin you must love Prayut (it is possible to dislike both).  Pigeon holing is not good as it is easy to look silly.

No, not implying you....There have been many threads over the years regarding puffing weed...????

15 minutes ago, transam said:

Plus, can usually spot the puffers here.......

As they were and as they are. ????

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Alcohol already has laws regards driving, Thailand is still waiting for those laws on cannabis, is that not the point?

 

The Land Transport Department (DLT) is pushing for a law that bans public transport drivers from using cannabis before driving. Cannabis intoxication will then likely be made illegal for all drivers on Thai roads.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40016102

No its not really the point, seems normal to me that they make laws to prohibit driving when under the influence. That is normal IMHO. Point being that i havent seen any stats on how much worse it got. I havent even seen news articles of people who are high and driving. (we seen all kinds of strange stories to put canabis in a bad light but not those).

 

So i really was wondering how often does it occur. I am not against laws for this I am actually really for laws on this point. You cant be pro alcohol checks and not pro cannabis checks in traffic. 

3 minutes ago, transam said:

No, not implying you....There have been many threads over the years regarding puffing weed...????

Ah, ok.  ????

Just now, robblok said:

No its not really the point, seems normal to me that they make laws to prohibit driving when under the influence. That is normal IMHO. Point being that i havent seen any stats on how much worse it got. I havent even seen news articles of people who are high and driving. (we seen all kinds of strange stories to put canabis in a bad light but not those).

 

So i really was wondering how often does it occur. I am not against laws for this I am actually really for laws on this point. You cant be pro alcohol checks and not pro cannabis checks in traffic. 

Stats will be hard to come by if they don't check for for cannabis use after a crash, seeing as their are no laws yet then I doubt much checking is going on

32 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

 

32 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Absolutely correct, the way forward regarding the use and or misuse of drugs is never going to be solved by legislation no matter how severe the punishments and penalties. As many have been saying for years education is the key. and where do people normally look for education ? Well teachers of course, so it seem to me that particular group of "professionals" have been sadly neglecting their duties for quite some time. I have no experience as a teacher but i do have experience as a pupil and I can tell you that "just say NO  " or "drugs are bad ok" does not really cut it with the kids of today or yesterday for that matter , they can all see past the reefer madness narrative

Every attempt at anti drugs education , highlighting only the negative aspects of drug use becomes irrelevant once one person tries it , finds it to be a pleasant experience and then relates the experience to their peers.  A little more information is required.  If you are going to try to influence kids behaviour.   A classic example of this would be wh and most peopleen they tried to reduce the teenage pregnancy figures by telling adolescents "don;t have sex"  lol  that was really effective wasn't it? when it was suggested to educate them about contraception and provide condoms , common sense to me and to most people I would imagine,  there was a backlash by people claiming it would encourage them to have sex Some of this stuff you just could not make it up

Its all very well flapping ones arms and spluttering self righteous indignation on an internet forum but it isn't in anyway helping to solve your perceived problem

So what exactly did you mean by this gem of a post to me:

 

“Well you know what they say,,,Those who can, do  Those who can't. teach,  and those who aren't much use at that teach overseas,  I'd concentrate on the task in hand and leave the social concern to others”

 

I can’t speak for Thai schools but I can for international schools here in Thailand that teach the British Curriculum and also for UK schools. PSHE has been taught for the previous 5 years and includes education on drugs, using and misuse. It additionally looks at the very necessary legislation imposed by the governments to ensure the students are not encouraged to break laws.

 

To imply it’s somehow the teachers fault by saying they are “sadly neglecting their duties” is the height of ignorance.

Edited July 31, 20224 yr by coolcarer

4 hours ago, whereyougo said:

Next PM Lord Anutin recently stated he will not back flip and with good reason.  So far there have been 3 cases of stupid thais consuming several joints and freaking out probably on top of a bottle or 3 of  laoh kaho

Did you forget this one? After all it was 10 days ago.

 

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/student-caught-selling-cannabis/

 

A high school in Northern Thailand is under investigation after a student was caught selling weed to her classmates, according to the Office of the Basic Education Commission (OBEC).

The grade 12 student attended Hang Chat Witthaya School in the Hang Chat district of Lampang Province.

She allegedly sold dried cannabis and cannabis oil to other students.

 

 

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Unable to respond you revert to personal insults based on nothing but a fabrication in your mind. 
 

Frequent cannabis use by young people linked to decline in IQ
A study has found that adolescents who frequently use cannabis may experience a decline in Intelligence Quotient (IQ) over time. The findings of the research provide further insight into the harmful neurological and cognitive effects of frequent cannabis use on young people.

The paper, led by researchers at RCSI University of Medicine and Health Sciences, is published in Psychological Medicine.

 

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/01/210128134755.htm

Bday Prang refuses to accept anything that goes against his beliefs. He will keep trying to drag down and insult any body that doesn't believe in his credo.

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

Did you forget this one? After all it was 10 days ago.

 

https://www.chiangraitimes.com/news/student-caught-selling-cannabis/

 

A high school in Northern Thailand is under investigation after a student was caught selling weed to her classmates, according to the Office of the Basic Education Commission (OBEC).

The grade 12 student attended Hang Chat Witthaya School in the Hang Chat district of Lampang Province.

She allegedly sold dried cannabis and cannabis oil to other students.

 

 

And?

They need to find out who sold it to her and punish them severely as you are not supposed to sell to under 20's.

Not sure what your point is.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

And?

They need to find out who sold it to her and punish them severely as you are not supposed to sell to under 20's.

Not sure what your point is.

The point is that the poster I was replying to only put his biased point of view. He omitted to mention something that happened 10 days previously. A bit like you do at times.

 

You are getting very boring and pedantic and don't bother to mention things that you don't agree with.

I don't really get the points of those who are anti cannabis. I mean nobody who is pro cannabis is for giving it to kids. Sure it can happen but its not as if kids could not get it before. I could get cannabis before and I am a foreigner. So to think that Thais could not get it its crazy. If anything, I pay more now than before (for better quality).

 

Rules should have been made for driving and cannabis and rules should have been made for not selling to kids. But that seems so normal for me that those kind of rules are in place that I normally don't even mention it as some control is needed. But they messed up but that is not a good reason to be against cannabis, that is having a problem with the implementation.

 

Lot of old timers who love drinking are dead set against cannabis you see it a lot on this forum. No not everyone who is against it is like that but quite a few still think alcohol (the more dangerous of the two backed up by science) is ok while cannabis is like some huge danger. Its time for people to really learn and see that cannabis is milder and better. 

 

Time to change the mindset of people and no cannabis is not without dangers but far less then alcohol. Best is not doing anything. But there just should be choice for people.

 

 

Looks like a lot of pushing to change the law again. On TV today.

It's an interesting topic,

Do something legal in one country, then get arrested when you enter a country where it's not allowed.

Presumably Malaysians with more than one wife will be arrested and detained for bigamy the moment they enter Thailand. Not to mention the guys that married 12 year old women.

Edited August 1, 20224 yr by BritManToo

On 7/31/2022 at 5:30 AM, jacko45k said:

Yes OAP confusion, but another Muslim country!

no again.

Bali is predominantly Hindu, not Muslim.

Hence the liberal availability of booze and other entertainment, and very low crime rate.