Truss surges ahead, wins key backers in U.K. leadership race for prime minister

[Bluespunk]

Sunak’s latest assessment of truss’ “plans” 

 

“Families are facing a long, hard winter with rising bills.

 

Yet Liz’s plan to deal with that is to give a big bung to large businesses and the well-off, leaving those who most need help out in the cold.

 

Worse still, she has said she will not provide direct support payments to those who are feeling the pinch most.

Scrapping the health and social care levy will give the average worker around £170.

 

But someone on the national living wage will get less than £60 for the year.

Pensioners will not get a penny.

And her corporation tax cuts don’t benefit small businesses — they just put money back in the coffers of the biggest companies with the largest profits.

These tax cuts simply won’t touch the sides.

We need clear-eyed realism, not starry-eyed boosterism.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/aug/08/rishi-sunak-liz-truss-cost-of-living-conservative-tory-leadership-uk-politics-live?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 

For those who prefer there is a link to the original sun article in the article linked above…

 

[Rimmer]

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  On 8/8/2022 at 6:56 AM, Screaming said:

And what was wrong with Boris? At least he had some balls.

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I feel the same way about Attila the Hun.

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  On 8/8/2022 at 7:56 AM, transam said:

Why not some more socialist updates on the PM race, its always good fun....

I am sure Clair or Dianne have some enlightening "words" on the subject to sway voters one way or the other.....

 

Mind you, the silence from their camp is deafening....????

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I have seen no indications that Chomper Higgot is a socialist. Clearly you need more reminding of what socialism is:

socialism

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+socialism&oq=definition+of+socialism&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.5762j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Please share with us any posts where he advocated that "the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

[transam]

  On 8/8/2022 at 9:43 AM, placeholder said:

I have seen no indications that Chomper Higgot is a socialist. Clearly you need more reminding of what socialism is:

socialism

a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+socialism&oq=definition+of+socialism&aqs=chrome.0.69i59.5762j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Please share with us any posts where he advocated that "the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole."

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Off-topic, and I don't need your advice on anything, plus folk are quite capable of speaking for themselves if they need too, so get back on your perch......  ????

[Mavideol]

  On 8/8/2022 at 6:49 AM, placeholder said:

And threw her supporters  into a tizzy.

Denying the facts makes life for them busy.

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that sounds very familiar... wasn't there a recent PM who was doing/did denying  on a daily basis  555

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  On 8/8/2022 at 9:49 AM, transam said:

Off-topic, and I don't need your advice on anything, plus folk are quite capable of speaking for themselves if they need too, so get back on your perch......  ????

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You raised the issue of socialism. by calling a member a socialist. You must have thought that it was relevant or why else call him that? I'm just helping to educate you so you understand why calling someone a socialist without a shred of evidence is just empty name-calling.

.And apparently you imagine you're a moderator with some sort of authority to regulate who posts what. 

[Bluespunk]

Uh oh, the knives are coming out again

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/08/sunak-says-trusss-cost-of-living-plan-is-big-bung-to-wealthy-and-large-firms?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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  On 8/8/2022 at 6:54 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

They could sell their iphones , then they could both eat for a month  and also join the Conservative party ?

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Believe it or not, not everyone in the uk has a mobile. 

And mobile phones are now so integrated into our lives that they have become essential.

Cellphones are now essentials for the poor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/09/14/cellphones-for-poor-people/2805735/

[billd766]

  On 8/7/2022 at 1:10 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

I am quite sure that everyone  in the U.K can afford 50 Pence per week to pay to join the Conservative  party  , that's less than one cigarette per week .

   You are just playing the poverty card without even thinking about it .

7 pence per day , 50 pence per week .

1 cigarette 51 pence 

25 Pound per year to join the Conservatives , anyone can join 

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But you have to pay the 25 Pound per year in one lump at the beginning and that may be difficult for many people faced with tax rises, high fuel prices, higher electricity bills etc.

 

 

  On 8/7/2022 at 1:31 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Everyone in the UK can afford to pay 25 Quid 

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Tell that to parents who need to buy school clothes. to parents who already go to food banks, to parents who skip 1 meal a day to make sure that their children can eat, to parents who have lost one or perhaps both wage earners, to pensioners who choose between heating and eating.

 

To you, 25 Quid may not be a lot, but to very many people in the UK it IS a lot of money at one time.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:06 PM, billd766 said:

But you have to pay the 25 Pound per year in one lump at the beginning and that may be difficult for many people faced with tax rises, high fuel prices, higher electricity bills etc.

 

 

Tell that to parents who need to buy school clothes. to parents who already go to food banks, to parents who skip 1 meal a day to make sure that their children can eat, to parents who have lost one or perhaps both wage earners, to pensioners who choose between heating and eating.

 

To you, 25 Quid may not be a lot, but to very many people in the UK it IS a lot of money at one time.

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The focus always seems to be on the ultra poor hungry people with kids at school who are single and on benefits and with no telephone .

   Why not concentrate  on the 95 % of people who are not in that predicament .

   The focus always seems to be on the extreme side .

The huge majority of people can afford to spend 7 pence per day and very few, if any cannot spare 7 pence per day 

   

[billd766]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:15 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

The focus always seems to be on the ultra poor hungry people with kids at school who are single and on benefits and with no telephone .

   Why not concentrate  on the 95 % of people who are not in that predicament .

   The focus always seems to be on the extreme side .

The huge majority of people can afford to spend 7 pence per day and very few, if any cannot spare 7 pence per day 

   

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The problem is that the ultra poor hungry people with kids at school who are single and on benefits and with no telephone.

 

They ARE the ones who are suffering the most and there are very many.

 

I don't care about the 95 % of people who you claim are not in that predicament. They are not the ones who have the biggest problem, that of the survival of their children and themselves in a reasonable environment.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:24 PM, billd766 said:

The problem is that the ultra poor hungry people with kids at school who are single and on benefits and with no telephone.

 

They ARE the ones who are suffering the most and there are very many.

 

I don't care about the 95 % of people who you claim are not in that predicament. They are not the ones who have the biggest problem, that of the survival of their children and themselves in a reasonable environment.

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OK, so the problem is that small percentage of the population cannot afford 25 Pounds per year to pay to join the Conservative party .

   Lets try and solve that problem . 

What measures need to be taken so that those who cannot afford 7 Pence per day , they can join the Conservative party .

   What is the solution to that problem ?

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  On 8/8/2022 at 12:24 PM, billd766 said:

The problem is that the ultra poor hungry people with kids at school who are single and on benefits and with no telephone.

 

They ARE the ones who are suffering the most and there are very many.

 

I don't care about the 95 % of people who you claim are not in that predicament. They are not the ones who have the biggest problem, that of the survival of their children and themselves in a reasonable environment.

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Could you share with us the source for your claim of 95%? I'm sure you wouldn't just throw a number out there without having a source to back it up.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:40 PM, placeholder said:

Could you share with us the source for your claim of 95%? I'm sure you wouldn't just throw a number out there without having a source to back it up.

 

 

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95 % own a mobile phone 

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  On 8/8/2022 at 12:45 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

95 % own a mobile phone 

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So your source is you?

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:50 PM, placeholder said:

So your source is you?

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• A recent analysis of smartphone ownership statistics in the UK by GlobalWebIndex indicates that from the 94% of Brits that own some kind of mobile phone, 91% have a smartphone. In comparison, only 5.1% have a non-smartphone mobile device.

https://dontdisappoint.me.uk/resources/electronics/smartphone-usage-statistics-uk/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 1:06 PM, Bluespunk said:

From your link

 

“88% of UK adults had a smartphone in 2019.”

 

So not 95% then…

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I was talking about this year , 2022 , rather than 2019 

[Bluespunk]

  On 8/8/2022 at 1:08 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was talking about this year , 2022 , rather than 2019 

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That link refers to 2019/2020 not 2022

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  On 8/8/2022 at 1:00 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

• A recent analysis of smartphone ownership statistics in the UK by GlobalWebIndex indicates that from the 94% of Brits that own some kind of mobile phone, 91% have a smartphone. In comparison, only 5.1% have a non-smartphone mobile device.

https://dontdisappoint.me.uk/resources/electronics/smartphone-usage-statistics-uk/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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thank you

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somewhat different numbers from a more reliable source

[Bluespunk]

Meanwhile as truss and sunak fiddle while dancing the u-turn fox trot, the country suffers from inaction, a lack of leadership and indifference from the top. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/08/boris-johnson-rules-out-emergency-measures-to-tackle-cost-of-living?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[billd766]

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:40 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

OK, so the problem is that small percentage of the population cannot afford 25 Pounds per year to pay to join the Conservative party .

   Lets try and solve that problem . 

What measures need to be taken so that those who cannot afford 7 Pence per day , they can join the Conservative party .

   What is the solution to that problem ?

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Nobody HAS to join any political party. It is their own choice, 

 

It is NOT compulsory to do so.

  On 8/8/2022 at 12:40 PM, placeholder said:

Could you share with us the source for your claim of 95%? I'm sure you wouldn't just throw a number out there without having a source to back it up.

 

 

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I would love to help you out on this, but I didn't make that claim. I was simply responding to a post by Mac Mickmanus.

 

You need to chase Mac Mickmanus for those figures.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 3:05 PM, billd766 said:

Nobody HAS to join any political party. It is their own choice, 

 

It is NOT compulsory to do so.

I would love to help you out on this, but I didn't make that claim. I was simply responding to a post by Mac Mickmanus.

 

You need to chase Mac Mickmanus for those figures.

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Yes, but a poster made a   point that the voting for the leader of the Conservative party is unfair because many British people cannot afford to pay  25 Pounds per year or 7 pence per day to join the Conservative Party , because they don't have the money and so they cannot vote .

   These poor people who want to join the Conservative party and vote for either Sunak or Truss , but  cannot afford to pay 50 pence per week 

   How can that problem be solved ?

 

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  On 8/8/2022 at 2:24 PM, Bluespunk said:

Meanwhile as truss and sunak fiddle while dancing the u-turn fox trot, the country suffers from inaction, a lack of leadership and indifference from the top. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/08/boris-johnson-rules-out-emergency-measures-to-tackle-cost-of-living?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Perhaps it is better that way, given this 'government''s negative midas touch. They would in all likelihood just make matters worse.

[billd766]

  On 8/8/2022 at 3:12 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but a poster made a   point that the voting for the leader of the Conservative party is unfair because many British people cannot afford to pay  25 Pounds per year or 7 pence per day to join the Conservative Party , because they don't have the money and so they cannot vote .

   These poor people who want to join the Conservative party and vote for either Sunak or Truss , but  cannot afford to pay 50 pence per week 

   How can that problem be solved ?

 

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I don't know, nor do I care.

 

In all my 78 years I have never been a member of any political party and I am certainly not going to start now.

 

 

Why don't you subsidise it if you are so concerned.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 8/8/2022 at 3:54 PM, billd766 said:

I don't know, nor do I care.

 

In all my 78 years I have never been a member of any political party and I am certainly not going to start now.

 

 

Why don't you subsidise it if you are so concerned.

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Its not me who is concerned, it was a poster from Holland who thinks its unfair , unfair that British people who cannot afford to eat cannot join the Conservatives to vote because the haven't got 25 quid a year spare needed to join 

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  On 8/8/2022 at 3:12 PM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but a poster made a   point that the voting for the leader of the Conservative party is unfair because many British people cannot afford to pay  25 Pounds per year or 7 pence per day to join the Conservative Party , because they don't have the money and so they cannot vote .

   These poor people who want to join the Conservative party and vote for either Sunak or Truss , but  cannot afford to pay 50 pence per week 

   How can that problem be solved ?

 

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Does the Conservative Party offer a 50p per week plan?

[baboon]

  On 8/8/2022 at 4:52 PM, placeholder said:

Does the Conservative Party offer a 50p per week plan?

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Or a 7p a day plan?