POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Is a "belief" enough to warrant an armed house invasion then? Guess so.

You use a search warrant, and not a subpoena, when you don’t believe that the person is actually going to comply. Its now quite a few months since so yes I guess so

Edited August 11, 2022 by Bkk Brian

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3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I cannot prove the existence of the Lord. I cannot disprove it either.

 

Evidence would be good. But where is it? I was hoping that the FBI might like to share.

Because it's typical for law enforcement agencies to immediately share with the public evidence that they've gathered before scrutinizing it?

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"The timing of the raid may have been related to an FBI rule that advises against “politically sensitive moves” within 90 days of an election, former prosecutor Elie Honig told CNN. The next election is on November 8, 92 days after the raid took place on Monday."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/08/09/heres-what-to-know-about-trumps-document-controversy-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/?sh=3c707a8eb969

That's OK then. ????

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, userabcd said:

Many tales of police and government officials abusing their power.

So which liar to believe? The lying cops of the lying highest government official?

 

The razor says it is more logical to believe the statement with greater oversight...

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I cannot prove the existence of the Lord. I cannot disprove it either.

 

Evidence would be good. But where is it? I was hoping that the FBI might like to share.

They are extremely unlikely to reveal that evidence before any trial. If they don't have any I would expect an announcement soonish.

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Just now, nauseus said:

That's OK then. ????

Well, if you think that the FBI should try not to minimize the affect of their actions on elections, then yes, it's ok.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I was not replying to you.

Get a grip, please. There is no impediment to any member replying to any post on this board.

[mikebike]

54 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

Things become more curious ...

 

Two months before his Florida home was raided by the FBI, former President Donald Trump secretly received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents belonging to the National Archives, and voluntarily cooperated by turning over responsive evidence, surrendering security surveillance footage and allowing federal agents and a senior Justice Department lawyer to tour his private storage locker, according to a half dozen people familiar with the incident. (more to the story in the link below)

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjs

Very, very old news... your point? 

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"The timing of the raid may have been related to an FBI rule that advises against “politically sensitive moves” within 90 days of an election, former prosecutor Elie Honig told CNN. The next election is on November 8, 92 days after the raid took place on Monday."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/08/09/heres-what-to-know-about-trumps-document-controversy-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/?sh=3c707a8eb969

That's quite likely why negotiations have fruitlessly been ongoing for months now. Trump wanted to run out the clock before the elections.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Because it's typical for law enforcement agencies to immediately share with the public evidence that they've gathered before scrutinizing it?

Of course not typical but given the apparent divisiveness that this action has produced, then at at least a statement from the FBI/DOJ to explain or justify it as much as possible to the public seems appropriate.

[mikebike]

42 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because the FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for the FBI to be alone with the safe

YES! The only source for this is his son, but that is good enough for me too! ???? 

[Bkk Brian]

Of course we also know that 

 

The Department of Justice obtained security CCTV footage from inside Mar-a-Lago, before requesting a search warrant.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Get a grip, please. There is no impediment to any member replying to any post on this board.

My comment was to Candide. Plain to see. You sound like that other "grip" fan.

[nauseus]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

They are extremely unlikely to reveal that evidence before any trial. If they don't have any I would expect an announcement soonish.

Agree that they need to at least comment. 

[mikebike]

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Now they have those documents . 

What will happen next ?

They need to arrest Donald as quickly as possible and charge him with whatever offense they find necessary 

Why? In depth investigations of criminal organisations often take months or years. 

[ozimoron]

45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because the FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for the FBI to be alone with the safe and Donald hoped the reason for them requesting to be alone and the CCTV to be switched off wasn't because they wanted to plant something (with no witnesses or evidence of them doing so)

You don't provide a link for this claim but if you had attempted to do so you may have discovered that your claim is wrong

 

Lindsey Halligan, another Trump attorney, also confirmed to POLITICO she was present at Mar-a-Lago for the search.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/fbi-dozen-boxes-mar-a-lago-trump-lawyer-00050730

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"The timing of the raid may have been related to an FBI rule that advises against “politically sensitive moves” within 90 days of an election, former prosecutor Elie Honig told CNN. The next election is on November 8, 92 days after the raid took place on Monday."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/08/09/heres-what-to-know-about-trumps-document-controversy-that-led-to-mar-a-lago-raid/?sh=3c707a8eb969

Possibly, another possibility being that they obtained the CCTV as confirmed in this article and then had to act based on that within a certain time period:

 

If Trump took documents from the White House to Florida twenty months ago, would a judge want some reason to think that the documents are still there?

Yes. One of the requirements for the search warrant is evidence that the information will be there during the two-week period that the F.B.I. is authorized to do a search—the information is not “stale.” And that’s the term of art that people talk about. Is the information being presented by the F.B.I. to the court stale? What you are looking for is some evidence of recency. 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/what-the-fbis-raid-of-mar-a-lago-could-mean-for-trump

 

[simple1]

Just now, ozimoron said:

That's quite likely why negotiations have fruitlessly been ongoing for months now. Trump wanted to run out the clock before the elections.

It's been a trump and co tactic for years with frivlous legal maneuvering. Also trump using these matters to appeal for more donations from the gullible (perhaps more accurate to say useful idiots). It's quite feasible the search warrant was one of the final acts before charges are laid. We know trump is well practiced with inflaming his base thereby creating a great deal of chaos. Just maybe enough is enough with trump's transparent efforts to destablise US society and institutions for DoJ to now act.

[expat_4_life]

24 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Very, very old news... your point? 

It is not old news, there is a long write-up of new information.

 

My point is to add information to the discussion, that's

why I linked a news article.

 

Here is the article
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home

 

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by expat_4_life

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You don't provide a link for this claim but if you had attempted to do so you may have discovered that your claim is wrong

 

Lindsey Halligan, another Trump attorney, also confirmed to POLITICO she was present at Mar-a-Lago for the search.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/09/fbi-dozen-boxes-mar-a-lago-trump-lawyer-00050730

Yes, you are correct .

But my point still stands 

The FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for everyone to leave the area and that is why Donald said that he hoped the  reason for then doing that wasn't because they wanted to plant some material there 

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4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, you are correct .

But my point still stands 

The FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for everyone to leave the area and that is why Donald said that he hoped the  reason for then doing that wasn't because they wanted to plant some material there 

That is what Eric Trump claimed. But he also claimed that Trump's lawyer didn't get a copy of the warrant. That was false. 

Eric also complained that the FBI didn't give advance warning of the search!

[LaosLover]

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not one of my questions answered. Bravo!

A sense of internet entitlement seldom seen outside of OnlyFans. Bravo right back at you.

[ozimoron]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, you are correct .

But my point still stands 

The FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for everyone to leave the area and that is why Donald said that he hoped the  reason for then doing that wasn't because they wanted to plant some material there 

Again, where's your link? I don't doubt that they did to be honest but I want to see who published it. I can see that as being standard operating procedure for the FBI. Everybody knows the reason Trump claimed it was to create the basis for a new lie and to fire up the base. An honest man would have shut up except to his lawyer.

 

The FBI know this was a high profile raid, you'd have to be in a state of delusion, brought about by a belief that Biden isn't the legitimate president to think they'd just go ahead and fabricate or plant evidence. It's just not rational. This is just super agenda pursuing stuff.

Edited August 11, 2022 by ozimoron

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23 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

It is not old news, there is a long write-up of new information.

 

My point is to add information to the discussion, that's

why I linked a news article.

 

Here is the article
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home

 

 

But is it the truth? It's by John Solomon who got bounced from thehill.com for his very truth-challenged articles about the so-called Biden scandal in the Ukraine. In fact, justthenews.com was founded by John Solomon.

Edited August 11, 2022 by placeholder

[expat_4_life]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But is it the truth? It's by John Solomon who got bounced from thehill.com for his very truth-challenged articles about the so-called Biden scandal in the Ukraine. In fact, justthenews.com was founded by John Solomon.

Truth, TBH, can't say, but the information is now out there with lots of details.

Consider how breaking news goes, everyone gets a lot of the details wrong when stories first break.

 

False, TBH, can't say either.
 

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37 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Agree that they need to at least comment. 

What I find interesting is the fact that the Trump supporters here are pressing for the FBI or Justice Dept to release information but don't seem in the least interested in why Trump hasn't released the text of the warrant. Presumably that might go a long way towards explaining their interest.

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2 minutes ago, expat_4_life said:

Truth, TBH, can't say, but the information is now out there with lots of details.

Consider how breaking news goes, everyone gets a lot of the details wrong when stories first break.

 

False, TBH, can't say either.
 

But why trust someone like John Solomon who has a long track record of being, shall we say, parsimonious with the truth?

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, expat_4_life said:

Things become more curious ...

 

Two months before his Florida home was raided by the FBI, former President Donald Trump secretly received a grand jury subpoena for classified documents belonging to the National Archives, and voluntarily cooperated by turning over responsive evidence, surrendering security surveillance footage and allowing federal agents and a senior Justice Department lawyer to tour his private storage locker, according to a half dozen people familiar with the incident. (more to the story in the link below)

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/trump-got-grand-jury-subpoena-spring-voluntarily-cooperated-home?utm_source=sf&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twjs

What's curious about it?

 

Oh, and "Just The News"........

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Of course not typical but given the apparent divisiveness that this action has produced, then at at least a statement from the FBI/DOJ to explain or justify it as much as possible to the public seems appropriate.

Right. I'm sure that those incensed over the action would be placated by an explanation from the FBI.

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59 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Agree that they need to at least comment. 

Because an explanation from the FBI or Justice Dept would definitely be accepted by those who are now so incensed? Now if these people were prone to believe in conspiracies I would say that releasing some kind of explanation early on would be pointless but since they...oh wait a minute.