placeholder Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, nauseus said: Neither, a lot of people want to know what is really going on and why. And Trump couldpossibly help answer that question by releasing the contents of the warrant. Shame on him! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, placeholder said: Funny. You still won't forthrightly declare that Trump should release the text of the warrant. Hmmm...why is that? I don't what it says. If the FBI have their reasons for withholding, maybe Trump has been advised to do the same. I don't know the real reason and few others will know, either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, ozimoron said: A mob with pitchforks doesn't get to dictate when and what evidence the FBI needs to release. Your words do not help. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 minute ago, nauseus said: Your words do not help. We're talking about people who are accusing the FBI of corruption and planting evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, nauseus said: I don't what it says. If the FBI have their reasons for withholding, maybe Trump has been advised to do the same. I don't know the real reason and few others will know, either. So, why are you calling on the FBI to release information if you don't know the real reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Lets look at the facts that are not in dispute. 1. We know Trump still has documents he holds illegally and removed illegally after 18 months of leaving office. Eric admitted it. 2. We know that negotiations to get them back have failed. Eric claimed they were ongoing. What was the FBI going to do? Nothing, because it's political? Keep writing nice letters that start with please? Send a subpoena for Trump to ignore or appeal? No matter what the outcome of any such appeal, there is only one lawful location those documents can be and they aren't in it. It's possible that there is a national security aspect to this as well as the requirements for such a raid require that the evidence they use be fresh. I fail to see how these actions can be at all divisive. Reasonable people should have an open mind and wait for the outcome. People looking for the next conspiracy are losing their heads. WE don't know anything. How come Eric has become so trustworthy all of a sudden? NARA does not seem to be sure what is missing, if anything. Facts that are not in dispute do not include mere possibilities. This FBI raid has never been tried on a former President, particularly one that still has the support of close to half the country (at a minimum). That support wants to know what is going on and why. The sooner it's all sorted the better. Edited August 11, 2022 by nauseus 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, placeholder said: So, why are you calling on the FBI to release information if you don't know the real reasons. Drinks.....methinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nauseus said: WE don't know anything. How come Eric has become so trustworthy all of a sudden? NARA does not seem to be sure what is missing, if anything. Facts that are not in dispute do not include mere possibilities. This FBI raid has never been tried on a former President, particularly one that still has the support of close to half the country (at a minimum). That support wants to know what is going on and why. The sooner it's all sorted the better. facts that are not in dispute. Eric might not be all that bright but he wouldn't lie against his own interests. If Eric admits they have some documents then we should believe he's not just trolling the FBI. He said negotiations between daddy's lawyer and the FBI were ongoing. Should the FBI release that evidence before a trial? I do agree that I'd also like to this this resolved asap, regardless of the outcome. I just don't think we're going to see that due to normal legal process. Edited August 11, 2022 by ozimoron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 FBI's Trump Informants Are Traitors, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-fbi-informants-traitors-trump-1732792 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoreFarang Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said: Oh I stopped believing all that anti Trump propaganda years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical nonsense made by political opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats are notorious for using state institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority of the IR to harras people. Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent been prosecuted. Where did you learn all that? FOX "news"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 It's sometimes useful to get a less partisan view of recent events and look at the Mar a lago raid and its broader implications for the USA. There is nothing to celebrate when an ex president gets raided whether the raid transpires to be justified or not- its a disaster - whoever is the ex president in question and as outlined in the article- A dangerous moment in American history https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/11/the-mar-a-lago-raid-is-a-dangerous-moment-for-america/ 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: Correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't people, they were fraudent political organisations masquerading as tax deductible charitable organizations When the IR turns you out its irrelevant what your status is because they distrupt you and your activities, prevent your organisation from functioning for about two years and cause great expense. Obama was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan way I believe but I don't know the results of the IR raids or who was or was not prosecuted. Edited August 11, 2022 by The Hammer2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: It's sometimes useful to get a less partisan view of recent events and look at the Mar a lago raid and its broader implications for the USA. There is nothing to celebrate when an ex president gets raided whether the raid transpires to be justified or not- its a disaster - whoever is the ex president in question and as outlined in the article- A dangerous moment in American history https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/11/the-mar-a-lago-raid-is-a-dangerous-moment-for-america/ Obviously it is sad that this happens. But IMHO it would be a lot worse if it wouldn't happen. Imagine Trump getting elected again (or maybe not even legally elected) and he knows he can do anything and nothing will happen. That is scary, very scary. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post heybruce Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said: When the IR turns you out its irrelevant what your status is because they distrupt you and your activities, prevent your organisation from functioning for about two years and cause great expense. Obama was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan way I believe but I don't know the results of the IR raids or who was or was not prosecuted. "Obama was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan way I believe..." "I believe" you are wrong. I believe you can't find any credible source to support that claim. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 8 hours ago, nauseus said: I cannot prove the existence of the Lord. I cannot disprove it either. Evidence would be good. But where is it? I was hoping that the FBI might like to share. Wait a second. You can expect claims to be backed by evidence. Or: You can support Trump. You can't do both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Garland said the Justice Department filed a motion requesting the Trump warrant and property receipt be unsealed. So the court will decide. It seems that the DOJ wants to make sure it does everything by the book. Those who were expecting anything else will likely be disappointed....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 9:17 PM, JonnyF said: Wow. State sponsored raids on the homes of political rivals? The USA is looking more and more like a third world banana republic every day. On 8/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, JonnyF said: Of course it was politically motivated. They are terrified of him returning to power and are desperate to find something on him. Anything will do. It's a shame the FBI weren't so thorough when given Hunter Biden's laptop. On 8/10/2022 at 1:00 AM, JonnyF said: You simply cannot understand someone coming from a neutral impartial position. It literally blows your mind. To the point that you use my confirmation that I dislike both as evidence that I must love Trump. It's bizarre frankly. There is a well known 3 letter acronym to describe the phenomenon but last time I used it my post was removed so I won't use it again. Here's something to lighten the mood: First post: "Wow. State sponsored raids on the homes of political rivals?" Second post: "Of course it was politically motivated." Much later post: "You simply cannot understand someone coming from a neutral impartial position." I won't attempt a punchline, I'm too overwhelmed by the choices. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 hours ago, ozimoron said: FBI's Trump Informants Are Traitors, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-fbi-informants-traitors-trump-1732792 She is a far Right conspiracy theorist "Marjorie Taylor Greene, also known by her initials MTG, is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist " ' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 32 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: She is a far Right conspiracy theorist "Marjorie Taylor Greene, also known by her initials MTG, is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist " ' A lot of Trump supporters fit that description. Ever hear of Qanon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, heybruce said: A lot of Trump supporters fit that description. Ever hear of Qanon? The vast majority of the Trump fans believe the Big Lie. It's tragic that one of the two parties of consequence in the U.S. has been hijacked by pro autocracy, anti democracy right wing extremists. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, heybruce said: A lot of Trump supporters fit that description. Ever hear of Qanon? No, I don't take much notice of extremists . They are entertainers whose job it is to be outrageous and extreme and they thrive on the publicity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 11, 2022 Share Posted August 11, 2022 This is what happens when an ex president accuses the FBI of planting evidence. An armed man decked out in body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office Thursday, then fled and was injured in an exchange of gunfire in an hourslong standoff with law enforcement that persisted into late afternoon, authorities said. The confrontation that began at the FBI’s Cincinnati office came as officials warned of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. https://apnews.com/article/fbi-cincinnati-armed-man-b4701596a0eb9770e3b29e95328f5704 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kwonitoy Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 18 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said: OTT hyperbolic rant, flames and unsupported claims ignored. On the money subject, wasn't it President Trump that did not accept his salary but donated it to worthy causes(1)? He was an idealist wanting to make America great again, not a money motivated guy like the current one. Because he largely paid for his campaign himself(2) he hasn't beholden to lobbyists like most Presidents which was extremely triggering for these powerful groups that wielded influence of policy making for decades. I do not know a single supporter of President Donald Trump that feels like they have been made a sucker. Why would they? supporting evidence of claims made. (1)https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/ ( 2)"Trump has paid for the majority, but not all, of his presidential campaign out of his own pocket. Trump's self-funding accounts for 72 percent of his campaign spending so far ($45.7 million in campaign loans and $63.3 million in expenditures as of May 31). Trump raised the remainder from mostly small donors." https://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/485699964/every-position-donald-trump-has-taken-on-how-he-is-funding-his-campaign Ah yes, the old , but he took no salary so he's a saint, all the while golfing hundreds of times and bilking the taxpapers out of millions of dollars but overcharging the secret service for services. Where will we erect the statue of Donny "two scoops"? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-secret-service-spending/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/newly-obtained-documents-show-157000-in-additional-payments-by-the-secret-service-to-trump-properties/2020/03/05/7da2a610-5cbd-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/17/trump-organization-reportedly-charged-us-government-over-11-million-for-luxury-hotel-stays/?sh=ee9038d55411 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunnyinBangrak Posted August 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2022 My previous prediction has come true. No surprises there. Good to see most people know a politicized witch-hunt when they see it, more-so as it is not the first time they accused Trump of crazy stuff without evidence to back it up. 83% of Republicans and 72% of Independents are now more motivated to vote in the 2022 midterm elections as a result of the FBI raid. https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/COSA-FBI-Raid-Motivation-Full-Report-08-10.pdf 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker88 Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said: My previous prediction has come true. Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online? That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven: ZERO 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Walker88 said: Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online? That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven: ZERO I see you deleted his poll. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 hours ago, candide said: Garland said the Justice Department filed a motion requesting the Trump warrant and property receipt be unsealed. So the court will decide. It seems that the DOJ wants to make sure it does everything by the book. Those who were expecting anything else will likely be disappointed....... Yes Trump could have made the details of the warrant public himself, now Garland is asking the court to release them publicly, Trump has until Friday to object. Donald Trump: Mar-a-Lago search warrant could be unsealed The US Department of Justice is asking a Florida court to unseal the warrant that let FBI agents search former President Donald Trump's home. If granted, the request would make the documents available to the public, the justice department has so far not revealed the reason for the search - but the unsealed warrant could. Mr Trump has until Friday to object to the unsealing - or could release details of the warrant himself. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62512360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SunnyinBangrak Posted August 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2022 29 minutes ago, Walker88 said: Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online? That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven: ZERO CULT? Although used dozens of time daily on any thread to flame supporters of the former President and all he stood for, it does feel disrespectful. Interesting yet unsurprising to see name calling all going one way. The restraint and respect non-democrat supporters and self-confessed neutral posters display in the face of constant hate and abuse is to be commended. It would be all too easy(and justified) to fire back with a well fitting acronym to describe these posters, so well done guys, good to see we don't stoop to their standards of debate. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted August 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: No, I don't take much notice of extremists . They are entertainers whose job it is to be outrageous and extreme and they thrive on the publicity Yes she's extreme but she's no entertainer, she's also elected to Congress & the U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district. Just the right candidate to run with the conspiracy theory planted by Trump. She's also not alone in her wacky beliefs, two dozen Republicans across the country in their congressional districts have engaged with the QAnon. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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