Mountain B fire: Full extent of tragedy hits home in horrific story of Vietnamese lady "Nong Kim"

[starky]

11 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Read the article again. It is claimed that 10 state hospitals refused her as they weren't able to treat her.

No im reading your statement of surprise that the vast majority of the locally run hospitals would be woefully underequipped, not capapble or even willing to deal with a mass casualty event. And certianly wouldnt have anything near resembling the burns treatment units or any other modern equipment to deal with those sort of events.  Not surprised at all.

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

The number one purpose of a hospital is to treat people who need medical help. That really shouldn't be too difficult to understand. Your employer is in a different business, I assume, so your point is irrelevant. And MountainB made their money by not giving a rat's fart about the people they made it from and broke the law. Neither case has any relevance to a hospital not wanting to carry out their prime duty.

The number one purpose of a privately owned business is to make money.

 

Strange concept lost on many butthurt people.

[Dont confuse me]

5 hours ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

Beautifully done by Bangkok hospital... A really humane way to deal with this tragedy. I find this absolutely disgusting. Because of the nature of the incident and how it has affected the country, any hospital should have rushed to offer free/reduced treatments for the victims. Would have costed a bit but that would bring them much better returns in the long term in term of reputation and image.

 

And only 10k so far from the owner of the pub... What a joke especially since his lawyer his praising him for being such an upstanding young man..

 

The whole story is sickening honestly.

 

Edit: I realize she is Vietnamese, but again that will not help with Thailand's international image at all. It shows foreigners are just second class liabilities.

Your forgetting the golden rule in Thailand, "Money number 1" empathy and sympathy are well below money in Thai culture! 

[starky]

33 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Not a good comparison to quote. The USA is famous for having outrageous prices for medical care.

Yes nothing like a private hospital in Thailand. They are so cheap.

[starky]

3 minutes ago, Dont confuse me said:

Your forgetting the golden rule in Thailand, "Money number 1" empathy and sympathy are well below money in Thai culture! 

Nothing to do with Thailand.

[BusyB]

46 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

I remember the Oakland CA fire. It was in an old warehouse that had been converted as some artisan work space.

 

There was an illegal rave organized by two guys. 30 odd people died.

 

Difference between that and this case is that the two guys did some significant time in jail, and it cost the City of Oakland $30M in damages to the victims for failing to enforce building codes.

 

We wait to see if lot's of wai's equal $30M!

Thanks for filling in the details ...

 

It will certainly be interesting to see if the Thai state steps in and by how much ... I have a sneaky suspicion there's not much financial depth to the bunch who ran/owned Mountain B.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The number one purpose of a privately owned business is to make money.

 

Strange concept lost on many butthurt people.

Is it really necessary to call people "butthurt" ?

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is it really necessary to call people "butthurt" ?

it is if they wish to ignore the concept of businesses making money.

[BusyB]

6 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The number one purpose of a privately owned business is to make money.

 

Strange concept lost on many butthurt people.

The moment this emerged there should have been a general public emergency declared, all hospitals put on alert and every patient treated on arrival.

There is no excuse for medical facilities anywhere not carrying out their basic duty in a human catastrophe like this.

 

[Ralf001]

Just now, BusyB said:

The moment this emerged there should have been a general public emergency declared, all hospitals put on alert and every patient treated on arrival.

There is no excuse for medical facilities anywhere not carrying out their basic duty in a human catastrophe like this.

 

And who should publish the alert ?

 

Is this something done in other countries ?

[BusyB]

3 hours ago, anterian said:

What this really demonstrates is that Thailand is an intrinsically unsafe environment for tourists and foreign residents who are used to strict health and safety standards. Defensive driving on the road becomes defensive living in Thailand. 

Not for the nervous or faint of heart - unless they want a crash course in wising up and situational awareness.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Ralf001 said:

it is if they wish to ignore the concept of businesses making money.

Although the topic is about hospitals making money , rather than businesses in general .

   No one is suggesting that business's shouldnt make money and that hospitals are a bit different to other businesses 

[BusyB]

1 minute ago, Ralf001 said:

And who should publish the alert ?

 

Is this something done in other countries ?

Emergency services usually. They are generally the first to get wind of the size of the incident. They have all the phone numbers and pre-agreed procedures. usually. Depends where you are.

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the topic is about hospitals making money , rather than businesses in general .

   No one is suggesting that business's shouldnt make money and that hospitals are a bit different to other businesses 

Private hospitals exist for one reason and one reason alone and it is not to provide charity health care.

[Sydebolle]

To summarize: 

• A 50,000 baht deposit ….. (Bangkok Hospital Pattaya)…. was required before they would accept her friend for treatment. 
• The hospital … (increased to) ….. 630,614.80 baht.
• ….. a further 150,000 baht …. (was paid to the Bangkok Hospital Pattaya).
• Apinya said she wants the owner of Mountain B to do more to help and pay the entire bill.
• So far .. (the owner of Mountain B) …… has paid 10,000 baht ..
• Apinya noted that her friend is a foreign national so does not have the same rights to care as Thais.
• "Sia B" (owner of Mountain B) has promised to do more to help and done plenty of "wai-ing" and making merit outside his burned out facility. 
• In a related story the Labour Ministry …. (presented) ….. a  large million baht check at a photo-op at the funeral of a  brave manager who was killed helping victims in the fire.
  • He was Thai and eligible for work related benefits.

Welcome to Thailand, where some are more equal than others and all those alien should beware, that they have not the same rights as the semi-divine Thais. What a terrible summary of humanity of Thailand - an absolute disgrace! 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, BusyB said:

Emergency services usually. They are generally the first to get wind of the size of the incident. They have all the phone numbers and pre-agreed procedures. usually. Depends where you are.

got a link to this... In Thaliand.

 

FWIW, BKK PTY hospital is a ways away from the incident and this lady ended up there in the back of her friends car whom chose an expensive private hospital.

[Bangkok Barry]

58 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

I remember the words of a puppet-general who staged a coup and HE WOULD ERIDICATE Thailand from corruption such as this and thers we can see every day.
But we see corruption getting at an incredible level after all this years.

Thailand is still the laughing stock of the world.
 

The world doesn't care about Thailand. Not one little bit. It's a South East Asian backwater with no influence in anything on the world stage.

 

41 minutes ago, starky said:

Uhm you realise your living in a developing nation? Are you not already aware of this?

The number one duty of any government anywhere is to take care of its people. Are you not already aware of this? The fact that it rarely happens doesn't mean it isn't its duty. Nothing to do with Thailand being a developing nation'. The government has tens of billions of dollars in foreign reserves that it doesn't choose to spend on its people.

[Bangkok Barry]

19 minutes ago, starky said:

Yes nothing like a private hospital in Thailand. They are so cheap.

Cheaper than in the US, surely?

[Bangkok Barry]

7 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

FWIW, BKK PTY hospital is a ways away from the incident and this lady ended up there in the back of her friends car whom chose an expensive private hospital.

You forgot to add 'after 10 government hospitals refused her'.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

got a link to this... In Thaliand.

 

FWIW, BKK PTY hospital is a ways away from the incident and this lady ended up there in the back of her friends car whom chose an expensive private hospital.

Do you think that private hospitals should refuse to treat people and let them die outside in the car park ?

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

You forgot to add 'after 10 government hospitals refused her'.

Sirikit Hospital did not refuse.

[Bangkok Barry]

11 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Private hospitals exist for one reason and one reason alone and it is not to provide charity health care.

So you believe it's okay for a hospital to voluntarily let someone die if they can't make extortionate amounts of money from them. Okay. I have a different opinion on that.

[Ralf001]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that private hospitals should refuse to treat people and let them die outside in the car park ?

Which private hospital allows a person requiring treatment to die in their carpark ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Ralf001 said:

Which private hospital allows a person requiring treatment to die in their carpark ?

I was asking whether you agreed with the principal .

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, Bangkok Barry said:

So you believe it's okay for a hospital to voluntarily let someone die if they can't make extortionate amounts of money from them. Okay. I have a different opinion on that.

Were in my posts have I said it is ok for a private hospital voluntarily let someone die ?

 

[Ralf001]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I was asking whether you agreed with the principal .

not really a principle that happens though so there is little for me to agree with.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Ralf001 said:

not really a principle that happens though so there is little for me to agree with.

You did seem to be saying that it should happen .

Hospitals shouldn't treat dying patients unless they pay first . 

That is what you have been saying 

[Ralf001]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

You did seem to be saying that it should happen .

Hospitals shouldn't treat dying patients unless they pay first . 

That is what you have been saying 

where have I said that ?

[nahkit]

13 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Sirikit Hospital did not refuse.

And they didn't treat her either.

 

"70-80% burns on her body on a gurney outside ER.

 

Medics were frantically running about as 10 terribly burned other victims were waiting in line for treatment."

 

 

 

 

[Ralf001]

1 minute ago, nahkit said:

And they didn't treat her either.

 

"70-80% burns on her body on a gurney outside ER.

 

Medics were frantically running about as 10 terribly burned other victims were waiting in line for treatment."

 

 

 

 

She was accepted by the hospital and in line for treatment.

 

Her friend chose to move her to a very expensive private hospital.