Trump under investigation for potential violations of Espionage Act

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'd like to see a full FBI investigation on how Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment for his Affinity Partners private equity firm from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince and whether that was the reason Trump was pushing for nuclear sensitive information to be given to the Saudi's.

 

But then this is not about Jared, although he may well have his mitts on some of the classified docs, the FBI are currently checking for fingerprints.

Provide links or it's not admissible.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

Provide links or it's not admissible.

LOL

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Even if there were it would be off topic deflection here. What about Trump Jr's coke habit? Maybe that's why they kept the documents?

Nah, he's more a crack and parmesan kind of idiot. 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Where did Trump get handed those documents? At McDonalds? Or in the Oval Office?

The President's job is not in the White House or the Oval Office. The President's job is wherever the President happens to be.

 

When the President is on Air Force One, that's where his job is. When he's on Marine 2, that's where his job is. When he's in Asia to meet with Kim Jong Un, that's where the job is.

 

When Obama spent a lot of time on golf courses, that's where the job was. When Trump spent even more time on golf courses, that's where the job was.

 

And when President Trump was spending considerable time at Mar-a-Lago instead of the White House, that's where the job was!

 

The point is, it doesn't matter where he was when he was handed those documents. Because wherever he was........... that's where the job was!

 

The Presidency is absolutely  NOT a 9-to-5 Office Job! The President's "Office"......... is wherever the President happens to be!

Edited August 14, 2022 by KanchanaburiGuy

[ozimoron]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Nah, he's more a crack and parmesan kind of idiot. 

I stand corrected, I don't know the difference between coke and crack.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

me too, here's one

 

 

That's baby stuff.

[Phoenix Rising]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You make all sorts of assumptions, continue to do so, and refuse to acknowledge any your assumptions as such.  I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the definition of nonsense.

No, you have in this thread clearly showed us what the very definition of nonsense is.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

The President's job is not in the White House or the Oval Office. The President's job is wherever the President happens to be.

 

When the President is on Air Force One, that's where his job is. When he's on Marine 2, that's where his job is. When he's in Asia to meet with Kim Jong Un, that's where the job is.

 

When Obama spent a lot of time on golf courses, that's where the job was. When Trump spent even more time on golf courses, that's where the job was.

 

And when President Trump was spending considerable time at Mar-a-Lago instead of the White House, that's where the job was!

 

The point is, it doesn't matter where he was when he was handed those documents. Because wherever he was........... that's where the job was!

 

The Presidency is absolutely  NOT a 9-to-5 Office Job! The President's "Office"......... is wherever the President happens to be!

Correct, far from 9 to 5, Trump wouldn't have been able to do that 5 days a week.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

  

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'd like to see a full FBI investigation on how Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment for his Affinity Partners private equity firm from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince and whether that was the reason Trump was pushing for nuclear sensitive information to be given to the Saudi's.

 

But then this is not about Jared, although he may well have his mitts on some of the classified docs, the FBI are currently checking for fingerprints.

 

Provide links or it's not admissible.

I second that.  Do provide links, Bkk Brian.  When asked you have to respond.  Put up on that outrageous unsubstantiated claim.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I second that.  Do provide links, Bkk Brian.  When asked you have to respond.  Put up on that outrageous unsubstantiated claim.

Here's a link for you. Please actually read it and confirm that you have.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Provide links or it's not admissible.

Already if you had read my post a couple of pages ago. However just for you:

 

After Trump’s contentious courtship of the Saudis, $2B for Jared Kushner

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/11/after-trumps-controversial-courtship-saudis-2b-jared-kushner/

 

Non pay wall version here:

http://seeing2020.us/after-trumps-contentious-courtship-of-the-saudis-2b-for-jared-kushner/

 

Hope you enjoy the article!

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nauseus said:

Are there revised rules on acceptable site links now?

No idea, report it if you feel the site is not acceptable as I can just post the twitter video instead which is still live......

[Thingamabob]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Maybe you should get professional help due to your inability to focus on what the thread is about.

Excessive drug use?

I don"t agree. Tippaporn has raised some important points which have never been properly investigated. I suggest some introspection by yourself is necessary.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Here's a link for you. Please actually read it and confirm that you have.

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia

Here are a couple of quotes from this far, far leftist leaning article:

“The reason this smells so bad is that there is all sorts of evidence he did not receive this on the merits.”

What?!?!?!?!?!  When the exact same point was made about Hunter's merits for gaining his lucrative position at Burisma the left made never ending implausible excuses.  And now they're turning the tables thinking we're brain dead idiots with faulty memories?

"Back in April, The New York Times reported that Jared Kushner’s four years of Saudi ass-kissing and murder-excusing had paid off in the form of a $2 billion investment from the kingdom‘s sovereign wealth fund to his newly formed private equity firm."

ozimoron, tell me that it's not true that you suck up every word this far left leaning liberal writes as gospel?  The above is the first sentence of the first paragraph in the article.  And you expect objectivity from this writer?  Worse, you expect me to treat this as a serious, objective piece of faux journalism?

Put up some proof, not just a leftist hit job.

[Walker88]

16 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

The President's job is not in the White House or the Oval Office. The President's job is wherever the President happens to be.

 

When the President is on Air Force One, that's where his job is. When he's on Marine 2, that's where his job is. When he's in Asia to meet with Kim Jong Un, that's where the job is.

 

When Obama spent a lot of time on golf courses, that's where the job was. When Trump spent even more time on golf courses, that's where the job was.

 

And when President Trump was spending considerable time at Mar-a-Lago instead of the White House, that's where the job was!

 

The point is, it doesn't matter where he was when he was handed those documents. Because wherever he was........... that's where the job was!

 

The Presidency is absolutely  NOT a 9-to-5 Office Job! The President's "Office"......... is wherever the President happens to be!

But when he is no longer POTUS, his job is NOT to retain TS and TS/SCI docs. In fact, few of the docs in the inventory list at MaL would be relevant to anything he did day to day, and that is if he actually did any work, rather than call into Fox or play golf. POTUSs spend precious .little time dealing with highly classified matters; that is left to CIA/NSA/DNI and he is merely briefed---if he chooses to be briefed---via the PDB.

 

You're really stretching. You are making assumptions about something you know little or nothing. POTUSs spend almost all their time on domestic policy issues. Getting even a good POTUS to focus on classified stuff-unless it is related to a direct and current threat assessment---is not easy.

 

Jail him.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...with no details of what the documents are, or what they actually contain!

The fact that the lawyer signed a declaration to the justice department that there were no documents there is pretty incriminating.

Only if they've actually found something relevant!   

 

Did her statement say that there were no documents at all?   Of course, it didn't, because the FBI knew that there were documents of some description left there after their June visit that they asked to be kept padlocked.

[ThailandRyan]

35 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Exactly, if what Trump did is do damning and critical to the security of the USA why hasn't Trump already been charged? Unless of course they (FBI) doesn't have enough to charge him. 

It is called building a case, you guys believe that can just be done overnight.  Establishing the elements of the crimes and then securing the evidence that lays out each one does take time.  If it was done as you think, well then due process would be far from the truth.

[Liverpool Lou]

58 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Of the 30,000 emails that the FBI examined..."

In addition to those emails, the other 31,830 that she deemed "personal" that she deleted so they could not be examined by the authorities should not be forgotten.

Oh, are we talking about Hillary again??

Better ask the poster who started it, I just responded to his comment, but, what if we are?

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here are a couple of quotes from this far, far leftist leaning article:

“The reason this smells so bad is that there is all sorts of evidence he did not receive this on the merits.”

What?!?!?!?!?!  When the exact same point was made about Hunter's merits for gaining his lucrative position at Burisma the left made never ending implausible excuses.  And now they're turning the tables thinking we're brain dead idiots with faulty memories?

"Back in April, The New York Times reported that Jared Kushner’s four years of Saudi ass-kissing and murder-excusing had paid off in the form of a $2 billion investment from the kingdom‘s sovereign wealth fund to his newly formed private equity firm."

ozimoron, tell me that it's not true that you suck up every word this far left leaning liberal writes as gospel?  The above is the first sentence of the first paragraph in the article.  And you expect objectivity from this writer?  Worse, you expect me to treat this as a serious, objective piece of faux journalism?

Put up some proof, not just a leftist hit job.

So the loaded words are your reason to dismiss the fact that its true?

 

Sources by Washington Post and NYT?

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...with no details of what the documents are, or what they actually contain!

Top secret, they’ve not been declassified.

How would you know that?

Edited August 14, 2022 by Liverpool Lou

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Only if they've actually found something relevant!   

 

Did her statement say that there were no documents at all?   Of course, it didn't, because the FBI knew that there were documents of some description left there after their June visit that they asked to be kept padlocked.

The lawyer signed a statement in June that all documents marked as classified and held in boxes in storage at Mar-a-Lago had been given back. The search at the former president’s home on Monday turned up more.

 

The written declaration was made after a visit on June 3 to Mar-a-Lago by Jay I. Bratt, the top counterintelligence official in the Justice Department’s national security division.

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How would you know that?

Because it says so in the attached receipt of items taken with the warrant……..lol

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

It is called building a case, you guys believe that can just be done overnight.  Establishing the elements of the crimes and then securing the evidence that lays out each one does take time.  If it was done as you think, well then due process would be far from the truth.

But most every leftist here has been saying regarding the negotiations Trump was having that it's all cut and dried.  What's there to negotiate?  Trump retained classified documents which he was not legally allowed to have.  Period.  End of story.  If that's true then they have enough hard evidence to arrest him this very moment.

Isn't it typical for law enforcement to make arrests as soon they have the smoking gun?  What more would they be waiting for?

[Rimmer]

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[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...with no details of what the documents are, or what they contain.

Might be because they are TOP SECRET

Being Top Secret doesn't mean that an indication of the contents without disclosing secret details can't be given.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

How would you know that?

Because it says so in the attached receipt of items taken with the warrant……..lol

Must be true, then, from the always reliable and honest FBI..  

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Must be true, then, from the always reliable and honest FBI..  

Yes indeed, from Trump’s own handpicked director whom he described as impeccable character and man of integrity. What change? 

[ThailandRyan]

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Must be true, then, from the always reliable and honest FBI..  

Are you saying the items taken were not listed on the receipt and the FBI took other things?  Your a little off base with that thinking.

Edited August 14, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Excel]

So based upon what is known, not speculated about or dreamed off by certain members, if it turns out that there were some documents Trump should not have had in his possession and the DoJ considers that there is sufficient evidence to move forward with an intended prosecution, how long would the more learned colleagues on this forum suggest it would take to reach the first judicial hearing ?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...with no details of what the documents are, or what they contain.

Some of the documents are marked TS/SCI.  That's all the detail that is needed to prove the law has been broken.  What's in those documents is irrelevant and will not be released.