Mac Mickmanus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That may have been the intention of sit-coms , but unfortunately it went over many peoples heads and the actors became heros to racists and they missed the message and concentrated on calling non White racially abusive names It still seems to be going over the heads of people, even the "more sophisticated and better educated" people of today as another post described them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: That may have been the intention of sit-coms , but unfortunately it went over many peoples heads and the actors became heros to racists and they missed the message and concentrated on calling non White racially abusive names Do you genuinely believe that "eddie booth" became a hero to racists. ? come on be serious 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Isn't the whole show racist regarding the Irish and an offensive portrayal of their religion? should it be banned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 45 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: The essence of this sit com has been explained in a previous post that you obviously have either not read or have chosen to ignore. In every episode the The "racist" character was portrayed as a small minded bigot whilst there were a few insults bandied about they black guy always gave as good as he got and each episode ended with the white guy looking a fool. If ever there was an anti-racist sit com it was this There may well have been a few insults exchanged "nig nog" from one side countered by snowflake or honky by the other for example but to cite this show as some sort of call to arms for racists is just pure fantasy Every episode had at its centre the underlying moral that racists were nothing more than small minded bigots it wasn't hidden away like the clues in a cryptic crossword and one didn't have to look very hard . The target audience of working class British people had no difficulty in gasping this and neither did I or my 12 year old school mates some of which were black. Anybody who does have difficulty in grasping this simple concept has either never watched the show with an open mind or turned off the tv in righteous outrage at the first utterance of an expletive that offended their sensitivities If it was as racist as you claim , how on earth were the black actors persuaded to appear in it do you think they were pressganged ? Or were they themselves prepared to further the cause of racism just for a wage ? Or just maybe they too saw it for what it actually was. The portrayal of a racist bigot who's views caused him to fall out with his friends and look stupid That was then and this is now which is my whole point. It is unacceptable now as we know that people are offended by it including people of colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Isn't the whole show racist regarding the Irish and an offensive portrayal of their religion? should it be banned? There's no laws against ridiculing a religion, at least not in the UK. Edited August 27, 2022 by ozimoron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, ozimoron said: No, could you explain? I wouldn't have used it if I'd thought that. You do understand that the word "moron" is not related to my user name etymologically? maybe you need to keep up with modern trends, moron ,cretin , halfwit, tec etc are all considered in appropriate these days so i am told I think the modern day adjective is "Learning difficulties" or "challenged" in one way or the other I'm sure somebody on here will confirm this either way I am now offended, Doesn't that sound ridiculous ? come on be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Just now, Bday Prang said: maybe you need to keep up with modern trends, moron ,cretin , halfwit, tec etc are all considered in appropriate these days so i am told I think the modern day adjective is "Learning difficulties" or "challenged" in one way or the other I'm sure somebody on here will confirm this either way I am now offended, Doesn't that sound ridiculous ? come on be honest Can you tell me what English word my user name is derived from and then explain how that relates to the word "moron", other than the spelling of part of it? Adamant was neither a person nor an ant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: There's no laws against ridiculing a religion, at least not in the UK. Try it with Islam and see what happens didn't do salman rushdie much good the "law" is often the least of ones worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Can you tell me what English word my user name is derived from and then explain how that relates to the word "moron", other than the spelling of part of it? Adamant was neither a person nor an ant. I have no Idea what your user name is derived from the fact that it contains the word moron will undoubtedly offend somebody somewhere. In the same way blackboard was alleged to be offensive just for containing the word "black" if my user name was "brit-spastic" I doubt i would be allowed to use it for long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Isn't the whole show racist regarding the Irish and an offensive portrayal of their religion? should it be banned? The writers of that show (Two Irish guyys) were in a Alan Partridge episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Isn't the whole show racist regarding the Irish and an offensive portrayal of their religion? should it be banned? What race are the Irish? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvorBiggun2 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 What about Ginger Haired people? No body picked on worse than them. The butt of many a joke and picked on at school because they are/were different. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Neeranam said: What about 'look kreung'? This is the Thai word for 'half-caste' and still used. I quite like that word but I doubt it would be considered appropriate by woke western standards "half child" implying that the child in question is only 1/2 the value of a full Thai kid even though in reality it is not generally considered to be a disadvantage especially in the media where their lighter skin tone is considered an attractive quality " for some reason" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, coolcarer said: What race are the Irish? No idea celtic would be my guess I'm sure you will tell me when you've looked it up, Either way Irish jokes are considered out of order by some but not normally by the Irish themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: I quite like that word but I doubt it would be considered appropriate by woke western standards "half child" implying that the child in question is only 1/2 the value of a full Thai kid even though in reality it is not generally considered to be a disadvantage especially in the media where their lighter skin tone is considered an attractive quality " for some reason" In Thai, the combination of words can't necessarily be broken down to derive meaning. The word really means half caste and is just as derogatory in Thailand as it's counterpart is in the west. It certainly doesn't mean "half child". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 20 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Try it with Islam and see what happens didn't do salman rushdie much good the "law" is often the least of ones worries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: The writers of that show (Two Irish guyys) were in a Alan Partridge episode A perfect example of people being able to laugh at them selves and inviting others to do the same what's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: No idea celtic would be my guess I'm sure you will tell me when you've looked it up, Either way Irish jokes are considered out of order by some but not normally by the Irish themselves Not true. https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-jokes-about-irishmen-2370 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcarer Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: No idea celtic would be my guess I'm sure you will tell me when you've looked it up, Either way Irish jokes are considered out of order by some but not normally by the Irish themselves Before saying Father Ted is racist against the Irish I suggest you look up what racism is, I’m not here to teach you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: In Thai, the combination of words can't necessarily be broken down to derive meaning. The word really means half caste and is just as derogatory in Thailand as it's counterpart is in the west. It certainly doesn't mean "half child". Thank you for the lesson in Thai, But i think you are about as wrong as you can be I have never met a Thai or a look khreung that considers it a derogatory term , Maybe all my thai friends and family are indeed rascist If You could tell me what the polite Thai word is for a mixed race kid I will educate them accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Not true. https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-jokes-about-irishmen-2370 I have worked in the construction industry for over 40 years I have personally known and worked with hundreds if not thousands of Irish men I have never once met one who was upset in anyway regarding Irish jokes. I have been told many many irish jokes by Irish people they have a brilliant sense of humour the article that your link leads to is just not true in my experience. They do tend to get a bit upset if they are referred to as "paddy" but that is only the guys from northern Ireland "Ulstermen" who consider themselves to be english Edited August 27, 2022 by Bday Prang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Thank you for the lesson in Thai, But i think you are about as wrong as you can be I have never met a Thai or a look khreung that considers it a derogatory term , Maybe all my thai friends and family are indeed rascist If You could tell me what the polite Thai word is for a mixed race kid I will educate them accordingly The term was often used in a derogatory fashion after world war two. That connotation has faded but it would be wrong to say it's disappeared. Any term which brings attention to race in a negative way is racist. The right approach is not to reference the mixed race aspect at all except as necessary by a doctor or something. For example, Thais don't get skin cancer much. A half caste kid might. Edited August 27, 2022 by ozimoron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 hours ago, Bday Prang said: You are getting confused My wife has never (as far as I am aware) referred to me as farang kee nook, however if she did she would not mean it literally and I have a sense of humour By Auburn hair do you mean ginger ? lol My apologies, I did misinterpret your post. No, not ginger hair. Ginger is most definitely reddish while Auburn is darker and more toward Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 10 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: In the same way blackboard was alleged to be offensive just for containing the word "black" if my user name was "brit-spastic" I doubt i would be allowed to use it for long Blackboard is not offensive and no one has a problem with it and the word Black isn't offensive either . Some people are upset because they cannot racially abuse Black people anymore and equate that non existent things like Blackboard being offensive, whereas no one is upset or offended by the term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmate Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The term was often used in a derogatory fashion after world war two. Any term which brings attention to race in a negative way is racist. The right approach is not to reference the mixed race aspect at all except as necessary by a doctor or something. For example, Thais don't get skin cancer much. A half caste kid might. Have you tried recently calling an ozi blackfella a halfcaste? Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 15 minutes ago, coolcarer said: Before saying Father Ted is racist against the Irish I suggest you look up what racism is, I’m not here to teach you. I did not say it was , I asked if it was , the clue would be the question mark, So you are certainly not qualified to teach me or anybody else English, What makes you think you are qualified to teach me anything else "sir" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Olmate said: Have you tried recently calling an ozi blackfella a halfcaste? Just saying... Of course not, it's unacceptable in any country. I used the term to illustrate the only possible circumstance (in my opinion) where the use of the term might be appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: Thank you for the lesson in Thai, But i think you are about as wrong as you can be I have never met a Thai or a look khreung that considers it a derogatory term , Maybe all my thai friends and family are indeed rascist If You could tell me what the polite Thai word is for a mixed race kid I will educate them accordingly Have you ever seen half felang kids in Thai schools getting abused because they are different ? I am talking about village schools where there's just one half felang kid in the whole School . Where the kid refuses to speak English because the other kids ridicule him for it . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bday Prang Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, Olmate said: Have you tried recently calling an ozi blackfella a halfcaste? Just saying... Never met an Australian black guy but if he was black he wouldn't be half caste would he? just askin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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