Bangkok morning turns to night - it's climate change as top Thai scientist warns of more "extreme weather"

[AsianAtHeart]

8 hours ago, Crossy said:

And there was I thinking it was just a regular wet-season storm

 

Climate-change is real enough (just how much of it is down to us humans is debatable) but I don't think we can really put yesterday's bit of cloud down to it 100%.

If the planet is truly warming, each of the following would be expected to occur.

 

• Greater evaporation from the oceans.
• Higher atmospheric water absorption (humidity/clouds).
• Increased winds generated; more severe storms.
• Higher levels of precipitation, inclusive of hail and snow; more flooding.
• Increased salinity of oceans in areas of greatest evaporation.
• Rising sea levels in the equatorial zone and bordering tropics due to salinity increase.
• Eventual slowing of the planet's speed of rotation due to shifting of oceanic waters.

 

Putting all of these together, it should be a relatively straightforward process, from a scientific standpoint, to determine if we are actually in a warming trend.  I suspect that we are indeed.

 

 

[KhonKaenLive]

3 minutes ago, AsianAtHeart said:

Putting all of these together, it should be a relatively straightforward process, from a scientific standpoint, to determine if we are actually in a warming trend.  I suspect that we are indeed.

Yes, but policymakers are making disastrous decisions in an attempt to mitigate temperature change. Adaption is a proven method to deal with whatever is going on in the environment. In the meantime, pump the oil and innovate but do not make people poor with grand plans.

 

Look what  has happened to Sri Lanka. They can't grow enough food, but they sure did please their WEF overlords. 

[ozimoron]

7 minutes ago, KhonKaenLive said:

Yes, but policymakers are making disastrous decisions in an attempt to mitigate temperature change. Adaption is a proven method to deal with whatever is going on in the environment. In the meantime, pump the oil and innovate but do not make people poor with grand plans.

 

Look what  has happened to Sri Lanka. They can't grow enough food, but they sure did please their WEF overlords. 

Actually the reality is that we have completely failed to adapt to the changing climate and no amount of innovation will make a difference which has the outcome of the human species surviving. We either stop burning fossil fuels and clearing trees or we will become extinct.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by ozimoron

[Flink]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

No it isn't. It's 100% down to human activity, stop spreading disinformation. The jury isn't out.

And you can provide conclusive proof of that claim? 

 

[allanos]

Quote: "Other metrics like CO2 levels are at highs not seen for nearly a million years".

 

We are being told by so-called "climatologists", whatever that truly means, that the

present high level of atmospheric CO2 is caused by unsustainable anthropomorphic

(man-made) activity.

 

The present scientific paradigm is that homo sapiens have only been around for, at

best, 200 000 years.

 

If CO2 levels were as high as today, one million years ago, then what accounts for it?

Not "man" clearly, as "man" had yet to evolve. It must have occurred naturally, surely!

 

There are many holes in the "global warming" theories. Man's contribution to it has

yet to be set in stone; it is not 100% proven, by any means.

 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not like this year, they are historic floods with a third of the country underwater and food shortages to follow. Must be jumping on the bandwagon eh......

I remember Bangladesh being mostly underwater back in the 1960s, severe flooding is normal there.

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not like this year, they are historic floods with a third of the country underwater and food shortages to follow. Must be jumping on the bandwagon eh......

A third of the country underwater? Lol but the flooding miraculously stopped at the India  and Afghanistan  borders?

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, Flink said:

And you can provide conclusive proof of that claim? 

 

That's already happened. Many links to credible articles have already been posted on this board which adequately establish that climate change is anthropomorphous and is an existential emergency. I'm not going to be drawn into reposting it all for those who won't read them anyway. We know they don't read them because they keep repeating the same debunked talking points without addressing the evidence in those posts.

[ChaiyaTH]

When I was young, and I am still young, this was called a big rain storm, it always turns the sky dark. To add it is actually the season for it to be happening too lol.

Edited August 30, 2022 by ChaiyaTH

[onthedarkside]

One conspiracy theory post and another with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims have been removed.

 

[TKDfella]

1 hour ago, Trentham said:

I hope you are better at photography than you are at science.

Climate Change is an on going phenomenon that happens everywhere, the Sun, the other planets and space too. Everything is in a state of movement and change. It would be wrong to think that Earth was any different. However, it would also wrong to infer that I am saying that our present conditions are completely 'natural'. On the contrary. All animals affect the environment one way or another but human activity is by far the largest affect done wilfully. The question is just how much of these effects are detrimental? Whether I want a petrol or electric car, cell phone,PC etc. etc. all the materials have to mined, processed and purified before they ever reach the factory. Take for example Lithium (much heard about in modern times), a much sought after chemical element. Yes it is abundant but because it is very reactive it is only found in minerals or other compounds. After processing, In its elemental form it must be stored in special areas. How much of the mining, processing, waste and storage is detrimental to the environment? It isn't zero and this is only one item that our present technology requires. Human beings have polluted the air since they were in caves where they burned materials to keep warm and we continue to pollute. How much this pollution drives 'unfavourable or extreme' Climate Change is debatable because there isn't an agreed standard 'control model' we can compare with. 

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Here is a prediction for Darwin, Australia which is on a similar latitude as Bangkok. Bangkok can expect to same the same sort of changes.

 

Predictions for Darwin, in northern Australia, suggest an increase in days with temperatures above 35℃ from 11 days a year in 2015 to an average of 43 days under the mid-range emission scenario (IPCC’s RCP4.5 scenario) by 2030 and an average of 111 (range 54-211) days by 2090. Under the higher emission scenario (IPCC’s RCP8.5), an average of 265 days above 35℃ could be reached by 2090.

 

https://theconversation.com/climate-explained-will-the-tropics-eventually-become-uninhabitable-145174

 

Seriously ugly: here’s how Australia will look if the world heats by 3°C this century

 

At 3℃ of global warming, Australia’s present-day ecological systems would be unrecognisable.

 

https://theconversation.com/seriously-ugly-heres-how-australia-will-look-if-the-world-heats-by-3-c-this-century-157875

 

 

1975  Darwin got blown away?

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I remember Bangladesh being mostly underwater back in the 1960s, severe flooding is normal there.

Was it as bad as this year due to the monsoon and melting glaciers?

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

A third of the country underwater? Lol but the flooding miraculously stopped at the India  and Afghanistan  borders?

I don't find that funny in the slightest, each to their own I guess

[Millcx]

The world is entering a period of extreme weather … Just like it did centuries ago … It should be called Climate Repeat as it revolves .. 

[SOTIRIOS]

...No Point For Discussion Then...Is There....(?)

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

 

Current climate change is on no way associated with any natural cycles of climate change or anything else.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

No it isn't. It's 100% down to human activity, stop spreading disinformation. The jury isn't out.

How do you know?

And how about the last ice-age? Did humas do that as well? Or maybe mammoth?

 

 

[zzaa09]

11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How do you know?

And how about the last ice-age? Did humas do that as well? Or maybe mammoth?

 

Less we forget the handful of disruptive mini-ice ages that have plagued the planet and human civilisation of the last several thousand years - all of which were instigated or cause by way of natural events. 

[OneMoreFarang]

Climate change reminds me of all those food experts.

Wine is good for you, wine is bad for you. No, only red wine is good.

And eggs are bad, and suddenly eggs are good.

I am sure by now there are several studies of about anything we eat with some studies showing it's good and another showing it's bad.

 

Are humans in part responsible for changes in the atmosphere? I am sure: yes. By how much are humans responsible? Now that is a good question.

 

Personally I am all about doing something for the environment. I.e. all those vehicles which pollute the air should be retired. But even if there would be no vehicle at all on the streets, for maybe a year or more, does that mean weather like yesterday morning won't happen again?

 

Weather is complex, very complex. And climate is even more complex. It's an illusion when we think we can easily say A is responsible for B and at the same time we ignore C to Z and a lot more.

[The Hammer2021]

30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't find that funny in the slightest, each to their own I guess

You have never been to Pakistan-I have. Why didn't the water spill over the borders into India or Afghanistan- Did the Himalayas get covered too?

Fortunately the people of Pakistan have the fortitude to deal with such disasters as they KNOW it is the will of Allah.

Edited August 30, 2022 by The Hammer2021

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

‘Unequivocal’ Evidence that Humans Cause Climate Change, Contrary to Posts of Old Video

 

Posted on August 2, 2022

 

"A vast and growing body of scientific evidence shows that climate change is occurring and is largely caused by human activity, as we’ve written on multiple occasions.

 

In 2007, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change concluded that the “evidence is now ‘unequivocal’ that humans are causing global warming,” the U.N. said in a press release at the time. The U.N. panel has repeated that finding ever since, most recently in an April report.

 

“Widespread and rapid changes” have occurred as a result of climate change and “many changes … are irreversible” for at least centuries, the U.N. climate panel said in another report issued in 2021."

 

(more)

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/unequivocal-evidence-that-humans-cause-climate-change-contrary-to-posts-of-old-video/

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[PEE TEE]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Moral absolutism has nothing  to do with climate  change.

NA I blame China no Russia or ??? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Fact check: Scientific consensus says humans are dominant cause of climate change

 

Scientific consensus

While climate deniers suggest the causes of climate change are uncertain, scientists have concluded with a high degree of certainty that the dominant cause of warming is human-produced greenhouse gases produced by humans becoming trapped in the atmosphere.

 

A synthesis of The Climate Science Special Report: Fourth National Climate Assessment says it is “extremely likely” – meaning at least 95% – that unprecedented concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide in the atmosphere driven by economic and population growth since the pre-industrial era are the dominant cause of warming.

 

In short, humans are causing climate change."

 

(more)

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/22/fact-check-scientific-consensus-humans-main-cause-climate-change/7336153002/

 

 

Edited August 30, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, The Hammer2021 said:

You have never been to Pakistan-I have. Why didn't the water spill over the borders into India or Afghanistan- Did the Himalayas get covered too?

Fortunately the people of Pakistan have the fortitude to deal with such disasters as they KNOW it is the will of Allah.

Couldn't care less about your travels:

 

Pakistan floods: One third of country is under water

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

How do you know?

And how about the last ice-age? Did humas do that as well? Or maybe mammoth?

I know because every single government scientific and academic institution in the world says so.

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Less we forget the handful of disruptive mini-ice ages that have plagued the planet and human civilisation of the last several thousand years - all of which were instigated or cause by way of natural events. 

Said events were obvious to blind freddy like massive volcanic explosions. There isn't anything natural going on to cause global warming or massive CO2 increase which is the prime cause.

[kidneyw]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

People on social media posted video and pictures as scary and fast moving clouds rolled over Bangkok turning morning into night

I thought I had just woken up too early and went back to sleep.

[allanos]

In the recent past, extreme weather events have been observed acting on some of the planets in our solar system.

 

Astronomers and astrophysicists have either been perplexed at some of the extremes, or have blamed the sun's activity, especially where heat has made off-the-scale increases.

 

It is obvious that man cannot be blamed for the extremes noticed on other of our neighbours'. Yet, here, man is blamed.

 

To me, (and many others, one supposes), this is totally counter-intuitive. 

 

Such anomalies go unremarked-on by those subscribing to earth's global warming or climate change scenarios. Why? Because they have to stick to the script, no matter how ridiculous it may at times be.

[ozimoron]

Just now, allanos said:

In the recent past, extreme weather events have been observed acting on some of the planets in our solar system.

 

Astronomers and astrophysicists have either been perplexed at some of the extremes, or have blamed the sun's activity, especially where heat has made off-the-scale increases.

 

It is obvious that man cannot be blamed for the extremes noticed on other of our neighbours'. Yet, here, man is blamed.

 

To me, (and many others, one supposes), this is totally counter-intuitive. 

 

Such anomalies go unremarked-on by those subscribing to earth's global warming or climate change scenarios. Why? Because they have to stick to the script, no matter how ridiculous it may at times be.

Extreme weather events are natural on Earth too. What's not natural is the TREND towards ever more extreme events and temperatures.