Fourth COVID vaccine shot substantially reduces risk of pneumonitis and death

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A fourth COVID-19 vaccine dose can significantly reduce the risk of severe symptoms from lung inflammation, which often require the patient to be put on a ventilator, and the associated risk of dying, said Dr. Opart Karnkawinpong, director-general of Disease Control Department, citing the latest assessment report on vaccinations administered between May and July, when the BA.4 and BA.5 sub-variants of Omicron variant were spreading rapidly in Thailand.

 

The assessment was conducted jointly by the public health emergency operations centre and the centre to assess the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines of the Disease Control Department.

 

According to the findings, two vaccine doses can reduce the risk of lung inflammation requiring a ventilator by 60% and the risk of death by 72%. Three vaccine doses can reduce the risk of lung inflammation requiring a ventilator by 83% and the risk of death by 93% and the fourth dose can eliminate the risk of serious symptoms from lung inflation and death almost completely.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/4th-covid-vaccine-shot-substantially-reduces-risk-of-pneumonitis-and-death/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2022-09-02

 

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[Kevin Taylor]

How do they come up with these numbers ? Everyone has had covid now so who are they comparing the data against.

[transam]

That reminds me, must sort out a top-up...????

[perconrad]

52 minutes ago, Kevin Taylor said:

How do they come up with these numbers ? Everyone has had covid now so who are they comparing the data against.

My wife and I we have not had Covid also many we know have not, but I have had 2 vaccines and 3 boosters

Edited September 2, 2022 by perconrad
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[Trujillo]

"He said that people must adjust to the new normal lifestyle, by wearing face masks when in public or crowded areas, maintaining social distancing and regularly sanitizing their hands."

Wow, this guy is at least a year and a half out of date. 

Does the good doctor have the ability to read and digest relevant material in English on the subject? I feel like the "learned-class" of medical "professionals" here are caught in a swirling eddy; trapped in a posture of continually chasing their own tails. 

This makes me even more fearful of ever having any important medical procedure done on me in this country. "Nothing a little blood-letting won't cure!"
>..<

As for the vaccine information, can you imagine submitting this in your Master's or PhD program? Lordy!

[Golden Triangle]

1 hour ago, Kevin Taylor said:

How do they come up with these numbers ? Everyone has had covid now so who are they comparing the data against.

Me & the mrs haven't, so where are you getting your info ??

[starky]

Wow! Cool! Imagine how good the 10th one will be...that should cure everything 

[onthedarkside]

Here's the MoPH announcement of their latest vaccine effectiveness results for May through July,

 

Note that they're talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness (first % line in the graphic) and death (second % line in the graphic) -- not about the vaccines' ability to prevent asymptomatic or minor symptom infections.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/634986981452963/?type=3

 

[Eleftheros]

It would have been more useful if the good doctor had told us how long this 100% protection is predicted to last. Will it be longer than for the earlier rounds or shorter?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

20 minutes ago, Eleftheros said:

It would have been more useful if the good doctor had told us how long this 100% protection is predicted to last. Will it be longer than for the earlier rounds or shorter?

The thread here is talking about the effectiveness of the original COVID vaccines used in Thailand thus far against the newer BA4 and BA5 variants.

 

It's not about how the newly approved (in the U.S. and the U.K.) 2nd gen vaccines tailored for the BA variants are expected to fare, since those aren't available in Thailand as yet.

 

But as for the original vaccines, here's some of the latest research:

 

Booster Shots Protect Against Severe Covid for at Least Six Months, Study Finds

 

A Covid-19 vaccine booster shot protects people from becoming severely ill or dying and its efficacy lasts for six months, according a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, underscoring the importance of additional jabs as the world moves to coexist with the virus.

 

The mRNA booster vaccines -- made by drugmakers Pfizer Inc. and BionTech SE, or Moderna Inc. -- were most effective in cutting the rate of people with severe Covid, scoring an estimated 87%, and there was no evidence of their effect waning within six months, the study found.

 

Inactivated booster vaccines by Sinovac Biotech Ltd. and Sinopharm Group Co. also cut the chance of severe illness by about 70%. Severe Covid was defined in the research as requiring oxygen supplementation, intensive care or death."

 

(more)

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/boosters-protect-against-severe-covid-for-six-months-study-says

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2795654

 

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Gknrd]

I will be belling up for the next shot as soon as I get back to the states. I got covid here about a month ago and already had 3 shots. Personally I believe it saved my bacon , with out a doubt.

[spidermike007]

The 3rd booster may also be effective against kangaroo pox. Where do these numbers come from? Are the boosters even effective against Omicron, and BA 4.6, BA5 and BA 4.6? How many boosters is enough? At what point do we start depending on a healthy immune system?

 

 

[Eleftheros]

34 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Booster Shots Protect Against Severe Covid for at Least Six Months, Study Finds

So does that mean that in six months we can expect to be reading the same story, but about the 5th dose?

[mahtin]

1 hour ago, onthedarkside said:

Here's the MoPH announcement of their latest vaccine effectiveness results for May through July,

 

Note that they're talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness (first % line in the graphic) and death (second % line in the graphic) -- not about the vaccines' ability to prevent asymptomatic or minor symptom infections.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/634986981452963/?type=3

Don't do f-book, nor shall.

 

Not to mention, in addition to the discomfort of the device itself, traipsing across virtual worlds made me wildly motion sick. Every 30-minute session left me feeling truly horrendous. As I write this, I took off my Oculus headset almost an hour ago, and my eyes are still having trouble focusing.

https://slate.com/technology/2022/09/facebook-metaverse-zuckerberg-horizon-worlds-josh-gondelman.html

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

39 minutes ago, Gknrd said:

I will be belling up for the next shot as soon as I get back to the states. I got covid here about a month ago and already had 3 shots. Personally I believe it saved my bacon , with out a doubt.

 

fyi, the FDA policy in the US regarding the new 2nd gen booster shot, once it becomes available soon, is that recipients should have had at least a two-month break since any prior COVID vaccination.

 

[riclag]

I got my 3rd shot of Pfizer in March, got omi  in May all while living here in Thailand.

 

I wanted to rough it without the help of meds but my Welch friend suggested to take the Govts anti viral drug favipiravir to lessen the duration of Omi.

Im glad I took the antiviral drug mfg in Japan used here in Thailand . Omi only attacked my muscles , no fever or respiratory problems. 
I dont know what saved me from serious covid illness but

 No 4th shot for me , I’ll try just the antivirals favipiravir  the next time.

[onthedarkside]

6 minutes ago, mahtin said:

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

50 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

At what point do we start depending on a healthy immune system?

 

1. not everyone has a "healthy immune system," especially since natural immunity tends to weaken in general as people get older. And those older people are the ones who most frequently end up dying from COVID.

 

2. show me some credible research that having a "healthy immune system" alone, in the absence of any COVID vaccinations or prior infection based immunity, is equally protective against COVID?

 

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[mahtin]

9 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

 

Thanks, have to confess my inability to read Thai, in addition to my other social challenges, but given the context, made the intellectual leap required to spot the percentages.

[zzaa09]

56 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The 3rd booster may also be effective against kangaroo pox. Where do these numbers come from? Are the boosters even effective against Omicron, and BA 4.6, BA5 and BA 4.6? How many boosters is enough? At what point do we start depending on a healthy immune system?

 

 

And at what point do we stop buying into their false promotion and general BS?

[onthedarkside]

8 minutes ago, mahtin said:

Thanks, have to confess my inability to read Thai, in addition to my other social challenges, but given the context, made the intellectual leap required to spot the percentages.

 Same info/details as in the text of the OP news report,  just in graphic form.

 

From my original post of the graphic:

 

"Note that they're talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness (first % line in the graphic) and death (second % line in the graphic) -- not about the vaccines' ability to prevent asymptomatic or minor symptom infections."

 

Unfortunately, Thai MoPH oftentimes doesn't produce their info materials in EN language form.

 

[Eleftheros]

8 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

"Note that they're talking about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing serious illness (first % line in the graphic) and death (second % line in the graphic) -- not about the vaccines' ability to prevent asymptomatic or minor symptom infections."

Well, that's progress of a sort.

[onthedarkside]

A trolling post with unsourced and unsubstantiated claims has been removed.

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

1. not everyone has a "healthy immune system," especially since natural immunity tends to weaken in general as people get older. And those older people are the ones who most frequently end up dying from COVID.

 

2. show me some credible research that having a "healthy immune system" alone, in the absence of any COVID vaccinations or prior infection based immunity, is equally protective against COVID?

 

 

How does one even address a question like this? It is like asking me to prove that having great driving skills helps to prevent fatal accidents. Of course a strong immune system helps one to fight Covid. It helps one to fight any virus, flu, or contagious disease. This is science. Do the research. This is very elemental stuff. 

 

Bacteria in our guts can elicit an effective immune response against viruses that not only infect the gut, such as norovirus and rotavirus, but also those infecting the lungs, such as the flu virus. The beneficial gut microbes do this by ordering specialized immune cells to produce potent antiviral proteins that ultimately eliminate viral infections. And the body of a person lacking these beneficial gut bacteria won’t have as strong an immune response to invading viruses. As a result, infections might go unchecked, taking a toll on health.

 

https://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archives/2021/01/a-healthy-microbiome-builds-a-strong-immune-system-that-could-help-defeat-covid-19/

 

 

Edited September 2, 2022 by spidermike007

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, Kevin Taylor said:

Everyone has had covid now

With the greatest respect, proof please. I have not knowingly become infected with Covid-19. I have never been tested as I have never felt unwell. I have never experienced any symptoms other than a mild cold which a hot coffee and a paracetamol relieved. My body temperature was always in the range 36 to 37 (normal). I no longer wear a mask but do regularly wash my hands. Personally, I regard myself as never being a Covid-19 patient. I have had 4 "jabs" so far. 2 starters of Sinovac, then first booster Sinovac and second booster Pfizer. Due third booster shortly.

Edited September 2, 2022 by Burma Bill
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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

46 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course a strong immune system helps one to fight Covid.

I never said it didn't (help improve one's risks with COVID). But your response above notably didn't actually answer the question I asked you... since your answer sidestepped it.

 

What I asked you was:

 

show me some credible research that having a "healthy immune system" alone, in the absence of any COVID vaccinations or prior infection based immunity, is equally protective against COVID [compared to being vaccinated]?

 

And the article you linked above doesn't address that question at all... nor does it even say that having good gut bacteria prevents COVID.

 

Rather, it says only:

 

"New research, which has not yet been peer reviewed, shows the presence of certain bacteria in the gut may reveal which people are more vulnerable to a more severe case of COVID-19."

 

I seriously doubt you'll find any credible research anywhere that says having a "healthy gut" alone is comparable protection to being fully vaccinated for COVID.

 

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I never said it didn't (help improve one's risks with COVID). But your response above notably didn't actually answer the question I asked you... since your answer sidestepped it.

 

What I asked you was:

 

show me some credible research that having a "healthy immune system" alone, in the absence of any COVID vaccinations or prior infection based immunity, is equally protective against COVID [compared to being vaccinated]?

 

And the article you linked above doesn't address that question at all... nor does it even say that having good gut bacteria prevents COVID.

 

Rather, it says only:

 

"New research, which has not yet been peer reviewed, shows the presence of certain bacteria in the gut may reveal which people are more vulnerable to a more severe case of COVID-19."

 

I seriously doubt you'll find any credible research anywhere that says having a "healthy gut" alone is comparable protection to being fully vaccinated for COVID.

 

 

It does not matter if it is comparable, or not. Part of the distorted "covid narrative" has been the political pressure (extreme PC) put on everyone to not discuss obesity, diabetes, a terrible diet, and other things which weaken the immune system. There is no doubt they are all contributing factors. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It does not matter if it is comparable, or not.

 I'm all for people being "healthy". But that aside, it matters A LOT when people try to use the "healthy lifestyle" argument as the basis for opposing COVID vaccinations or suggesting they're not needed if you're "healthy."  There's no credible science that supports that notion.

 

As for the rest of your post, it's nonsense. All the major public health agencies have been publicly and loudly saying since the beginning of COVID that people with various chronic conditions are at greater risk of poor outcomes if infected with COVID. Pretty much everyone knows that, and not many folks arguing on that point. But it's been discussed A LOT!

Edited September 2, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[atpeace]

4 hours ago, Gknrd said:

I will be belling up for the next shot as soon as I get back to the states. I got covid here about a month ago and already had 3 shots. Personally I believe it saved my bacon , with out a doubt.

Based on what? 

[onthedarkside]

One misleading information post, and another post raising an off-topic subject unrelated to COVID vaccinations, have been removed.