Russia appreciates Thailand's understanding of reasons behind special operation — Lavrov

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Almost all neutral observers recognize that Russia is slowly and methodically taking territory and doing its best to avoid civilian casualties along the way.

 

The slow part saves civilians and unnecessary russian troop casualties.

 

biden/nato propagandist media will always do their best to downplay russian success. 

Link to those neutral observers?

[ChasingTheSun]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

This is when I really miss the laughter emoticon.

 

I read this and wonder where your information comes from Fox News and the alternative/social media come to mind.

 

Conspiracy theories by the bucket load with little evidence to back it up.

 

Still if it keeps you happy, it certainly makes me laugh.

 

 

 

War is not a laughing matter. Please have some respect for those suffering.

 

There are many sources of neutral information on the conflict. Do some independent research if you really want to know the truth. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Ukrainian soldiers and their weapons are being destroyed faster than they can be trained/replaced.

 

Russia has many times more trained troops and much more sophisticated weapons in battle and in reserve. The russian equipment is as good or much better than anything the Ukrainians could ever get.

 

Most of the money being sent to Ukraine is disappearing. Most of the arms being sent to ukraine are being resold on the black market, and never make it to the soldiers. Its a giant money laundering wild west over there.

Each of those claims is completely false, you provide nothing but unsubstantiated Russian propaganda at its most evil.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Google it. 

but keep in mind, your government may not want you to learn the truth, and may have blocked allot of it from you already.
 

As they say, the truth is the first casualty of war.

You make a claim the onus is on you to substantiate it. 

[balo]

Source TASS.  

So it has not been mentioned in Western media ?  
 

[placeholder]

25 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Almost all neutral observers recognize that Russia is slowly and methodically taking territory and doing its best to avoid civilian casualties along the way.

 

The slow part saves civilians and unnecessary russian troop casualties.

 

biden/nato propagandist media will always do their best to downplay russian success. 

Or, in this case quickly and unexpectedly surrender territory

Russia announces troop pullback from Ukraine's Kharkiv area

 Russia’s Defense Ministry announced Saturday that it's pulling back troops from two areas in Ukraine’s eastern Kharkiv region where a Ukrainian counteroffensive has made significant advances in the past week...

Konashenkov said the Russian move is being made “in order to achieve the stated goals of the special military operation to liberate Donbas,’” one of the eastern Ukraine regions that Russia has declared sovereign.

The claim of pullback to concentrate on Donetsk is similiar to the justification Russia gave for pulling back its forces from the Kyiv region earlier this year when they failed to take the Ukrainian capital.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-breaks-front-line-east-nearing-key-town-89636777

 

Given that Kupiansk was a crucial logistics center for rail transport in that region and Izium is an even more important rail hub where Russia funneled their troops bound for Donbas, I'd guess neutral obsservers wouldn't be calling this anything but a major defeat for the Russians.

Edited September 10, 2022 by placeholder

[placeholder]

36 minutes ago, voulez vous said:

That's good then. All Europe has to do is get off their knees to the US and get the gas turned on to help their people. The pipes are waiting. Easy peasy.

 

The US couldn't care less about Europe. It just wants it to do as it's told. It's aim is to TRY to weaken Russia AMAP, in any way possible, They have not wanted to play ball since Pres Yeltsin sold off the family silver.

And wait for Putin to lay claim to the rest of the "Russian World" which seems to mean any territory that Russia or the Soviet Union once controlled.

[me4175]

"balanced, objective and responsible position" ????

 

 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, ChasingTheSun said:

If you google it, you can see objective comparison/analysis of equipment.

 

Russian has ample equipment and it is equal or superior in all cases. Thats a fact.

 

 

 

Here's a quote from someone commenting on an article

"Before the invasion, Russia was considered by many to have the second best army in the world. As it turns out, Russia has the second best army in Ukraine."

https://news.yahoo.com/volodymyr-zelenskyy-confirmed-dismissal-city-184006066.html

[billd766]

33 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

War is not a laughing matter. Please have some respect for those suffering.

 

There are many sources of neutral information on the conflict. Do some independent research if you really want to know the truth. 
 

 

 

 

 

But whose truth is it?

 

But why are they suffering.

 

Could it be because Russia invaded a peaceful neighbour with one of the weakest excuses I have heard in years.

 

Putin thought that the Ukraine and that his WAR would soon be over and that he would win with the minimum of casualties.

 

It doesn't seem like that could happen.

 

The war could be over in a week or two.

 

All Putin has to do is surrender and leave ALL of the Ukraine including Crimea and hand over all the soldiers who have committed atrocities.

 

It won't happen of course as he would lose in the Thai term "too much face".

 

He doesn't care about casualties, military or civilian, Russian or Ukrainian as they are just meaningless numbers to him.

 

His desire is to be the Tsar of Tsars lording it over all of Russia and as much of Europe that he can steal. If he is not stopped in the Ukraine, then where will he go next?

 

Poland, Finland, Germany?

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, voulez vous said:

No rush at all. The Russians are not in the business of unnecessary hurting civilians.

 

Advanced weapons? What is not being sold off on the internet is being mostly destroyed before it reaches the front line. Some does get there, but is easily dealt with it seems. The west is simply handing weapons over with no audit trail.

 

The Ukrainians are not fighting for cultural survival. This is nonsense to say this. The areas liberated so far - and those soon to be - are mostly Russian speakers and supporters.

 

One of the aims of the special operation was to de-nazify the country. The three most Nazi battalions , Azov, Kracken, (can't remember what the other one is called) have been splintered, but not yet destroyed.

No rush….lol Tell that to Putin who 10 days ago said he wants all of the Donetsk region to be fully under Russian control. He’s only got 5 days left. 
 

can only ignore your utter garbage that they are not in the business of hurting civilians. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by coolcarer

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Actually, if you really want to learn the truth, the onus is on YOU to do some research of your own. Don’t rely on the keyboard warriors here.

 

Once you have done a search and found a number of neutral sources, you can then make an informed decision.

 

Until then, if you don’t care about the truth, just keep watching/reading the biden/nato propaganda machine like many westerns do.

CNN and BBC etc want you to beleive that 2+2=5

 

 

 

I'll ask you one more time, substantiate these claims that you made:

 

 

"Ukrainian soldiers and their weapons are being destroyed faster than they can be trained/replaced.

 

Russia has many times more trained troops and much more sophisticated weapons in battle and in reserve. The russian equipment is as good or much better than anything the Ukrainians could ever get.

 

Most of the money being sent to Ukraine is disappearing. Most of the arms being sent to ukraine are being resold on the black market, and never make it to the soldiers. Its a giant money laundering wild west over there."

 

You can't

 

[Scott]

Posts making unsubstantiated claims along with replies have been removed.   If you make a purported factual claim, it needs to be backed up with a link to a credible source.  

 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Most of the money being sent to Ukraine is disappearing. Most of the arms being sent to ukraine are being resold on the black market, and never make it to the soldiers. Its a giant money laundering wild west over there."

Well, if that were true, then just imagine how ineffectual the Russian armed forces must be to be blocked and now pushed back by forces so poorly equipped.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, if that were true, then just imagine how ineffectual the Russian armed forces must be to be blocked and now pushed back by forces so poorly equipped.

Actually the Russian armed forces have been carrying out a mighty good job of donating plenty of their own military equipment to Ukraine while they withdraw from the Ukraine onslaught.....

[SunsetT]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

"..we are grateful for understanding the true causes of the current situation in the international arena"

No logic in Thailand so of course they understand.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, blazes said:

Which Western nations practice censorship???????

 

Mein Gott, have you never heard  of  Hunter Biden's laptop?  Which of the mainstream media (other than Fox News) in the United  States of America has covered the never-ending stream of illegal migrants at the southern border? the random killings performed by recently-released felons?  etc etc etc.....every day is filled with silence!

Deranged is the word that springs to mind.

[WHansen]

???? at the pro Russian comments

Edited September 10, 2022 by WHansen

[rudi49jr]

Lot of Putin fan boys here, I would almost suspect someone at one of the Russian troll factories gave the order to flood this thread with bullsh*t and misinformation. They are all repeating the same old Kremlin talking points, trapped in their cocoon of Russian propaganda and lies, and at the same time accusing others of spreading fake news. This kind of shilling is just pathetic and so transparant.

[ChasingTheSun]

21 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Lot of Putin fan boys here, I would almost suspect someone at one of the Russian troll factories gave the order to flood this thread with bullsh*t and misinformation. They are all repeating the same old Kremlin talking points, trapped in their cocoon of Russian propaganda and lies, and at the same time accusing others of spreading fake news. This kind of shilling is just pathetic and so transparant.

So by your logic, Thailand and most of the rest of the countries in the world are “russian fanboys”? 

 

Calling people you may disagree with a “russian fanboy” wont help end the war in Ukraine or stop Russia from taking whatever Ukranian territory they deem necessary to take.

 

Only a fair/balanced/neutral approach to finding the truth will help end the war.

 

There are evil forces out there who want people to believe  that 2+2=5. They have been successful in doing that countless times throughout history.  
 

Lets keep the quest for truth our priority regardless of preconceptions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[blazes]

50 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Deranged is the word that springs to mind.

Indeed.  And the above sentence demonstrates cruelly the quality of mind producing this sad statement.

[toho]

20 hours ago, Mbaki said:

Good to see some countries staying neutral and not relying on western propaganda.

Oh boy, go back to school and learn from neutral history books.

[toho]

18 hours ago, ChasingTheSun said:

Thailnd is likely on the right side of history on this one.
 

Like it or not, most countries and most people of the world are either nuetral or on russias side in the ukraine conflict. 

 

anyone who does the most basic of independent background research on the conflict would also likely agree that Russia was undeniably forced into this sad conflict. 
 

hopefully biden and nato will allow Ukraine to negotiate peace sooner, rather than later. It’s doubtful that zelensky will be around at that time to do any negotiations.

 

 

 

What is your source that most people in this world are neutral or on Putin's side?

Putin (not Russia) likes to restore the Soviet Union, restore old borders, be a kind of Catharina The Great.

Russia invaded democratic Ukraine. NATO is a defence organization, not aggressive like Putin and his gang (and Putin + gang = not Russia).

Zelensky has always welcomed talks with Russia. It is Russia that did not keep promises and used talks to strengthen their military positions (logistics).

I am very happy that Ukraine is coming back now, hopefully they can maintain this momentum. Long live Ukraine and world peace. 

[Scott]

Inflammatory, troll posts reported and removed.  

 

[Mbaki]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, i don't take much of an interest in fiction.

Appears you don’t take much interest in facts either 

[Mbaki]

1 hour ago, toho said:

Oh boy, go back to school and learn from neutral history books.

You first.

[daveAustin]

23 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Well of course, Russia is looking for new customers for its oil and Thailand wouldn't say no to securing some at a reasonable price.

 

Still, disgraceful behaviour - how can anyone justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine?  Anyone who believes Putin's claims that Ukraine was a threat is as daft as the millions of Russian citizens that believe the rubbish they are fed by their strictly controlled media and news services.

 

Ukraine was never a threat to that lunatic Putin or his country - even if they had joined NATO.  NATO exists to defend its members, not to threaten them. That one man is responsible for thousands of deaths (again) is beyond me.

 

What Putin really wants is the whole of Ukraine back under his control - either directly or throuh a puppet, as he has with that other thug in Belarus.  Why he wants more power, more land is beyond reason - I thought Imperialism was dead.

 

Thailand's position on this, given the nature of its current government is wholly in keeping.

 

 

All about one feeble little man and his aspirations for empire and ‘greatness’. Cannot believe this shizer is still happening in 2022. He needs putting down just like that other little prune in the ‘40s. Pathetic. 

[jacko45k]

15 hours ago, blazes said:

One of the supreme delights in participating in these opinion bun-fights is being able to simply click on "sad" rather than have to write: "Utter nonsense, you are seriously deluded."

Good point, increasing post count is a more worthy aim for a forum selling advertising. But I miss the 'laughing' emoticon as I appreciate a witticism. Posting, 'that was funny' is rather inane. 

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, blazes said:

Indeed.  And the above sentence demonstrates cruelly the quality of mind producing this sad statement.

IIRC, you were lamenting the disappearance of some emoticons. I'm just wondering how many sad emoticons your posts racked up before the symbol was removed.

[blazes]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC, you were lamenting the disappearance of some emoticons. I'm just wondering how many sad emoticons your posts racked up before the symbol was removed.

The "sads" always came from the usual suspects and my own sads were, equally, aimed at the usual suspects.  Though, more and more often lately, I have tended to refrain from aiming a "sad" because it was either otiose or merely a little cruel.