Thailand abstains in UN vote condemning Russia’s “illegal referenda” in Ukraine

[Walker88]

48 minutes ago, iwan55555 said:

Proud.. not following the stupid media with fake news,

 

Always Anti-China and anti-Russia   just because people believe the media and whats being thaught from a very young age,,,  guess very few people actually know what going on in Ukraine for the past 8 years,, freedom of press or word.. what a joke... 

 

Aslo great to see Putin join APEC 2022

What is the source of all of your inside info that 'somehow' you know what the real world thinks is wrong?

 

Must be some of that "internet research"

[Walker88]

Since seizing another nation's territory, then conducting a fake referendum is okay with Thailand, Malaysia should conduct a referendum in the south to get back land that was once Malay, Laos could try something up north, Cambodia to the east, and most certainly Myanmar could hold a referendum in Tak and Chiangrai.

 

When Thailand is reduced to Bangkok and Pattaya, perhaps the rest of the world will abstain if Thailand barks at the UN.

 

Dante said it best long ago:

 

"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those, who in a period of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality."

[AnotherFarang8]

24 minutes ago, Puccini said:

Would Thailand also abstain if Laos claimed the regions that historically once belonged to Laos?

Thailand is neither shelling those regions for years nor prohibiting people to talk Isaan/Laotian. Laos has no reason to interfere. Your “example” shows how clueless westerners are about the issue of Ukraine.

[Jingthing]

47 minutes ago, Puccini said:

e. We have nobody in our government who understands the issue being voted on.

Which government?

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

Thailand is neither shelling those regions for years nor prohibiting people to talk Isaan/Laotian. Laos has no reason to interfere. Your “example” shows how clueless westerners are about the issue of Ukraine.

Ever heard of the eternal separatist war in the south here?

Thailand has a right to resist that and Malaysia hasn't even stolen a province there as Putin stole Crimea in 2014.

 

Sovereign governments may have language standards for government business. If you don't like it fine but no justication to invade or occupy.

 

The Ukrainian nationals that prefer to live in Russia can most probably move to Russia.

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thailand's reasons for abstaining:

 

 

In other words when it gets too hot in the kitchen, Thailand calls for delivery from Food Panda.

 

[plus7]

48 minutes ago, Aussieroaming said:

Ukraine doesn't need Thailand's vote in order to maintain moral superiority.

Even more, nobody need this voting. USA and some european countries bombed Serbia even without UN approval.

Also USA invaded Iraq without any approval.

 

"The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal."

A quote from "Guardian".

 

Moral superiority ? Yes, Facebook allowed  (previously blocked) ultra-right Azov battalion account to support superiority.

 

I'm not justifying the invasion, the war, I just want you to look broader on your own countries.

 

[Jingthing]

53 minutes ago, Aussieroaming said:

Realistically will Ukrainians stop coming to Thailand for holidays because they abstained, probably not. Why would anyone expect a former Junta government to decry Russian behavior. Ukraine doesn't need Thailand's vote in order to maintain moral superiority.

 

 

 

 

Well it's more about Thailand asserting it's integrity rather than helping Ukraine. They failed.

[Jingthing]

Just now, plus7 said:

Even more, nobody need this voting. USA and some european countries bombed Serbia even without UN approval.

Also USA invaded Iraq without any approval.

 

"The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal."

A quote from "Guardian".

 

Moral superiority ? Yes, Facebook allowed  (previously blocked) ultra-right Azov battalion account to support superiority.

 

I'm not justifying the invasion, the war, I just want you to look broader on your own countries.

 

Cheap weak whataboutism diversion.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

To mark sarcasm they usually put a “/s”. I know reality bites but it is what it is, deal with it.

In my experience most people don't use that code, but perhaps you mean that your pronouns are they/them?

[plus7]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cheap weak whataboutism diversion.

It is just facts.

Demanding from your host country (I assume you're a farang in Thailand) to behave as same as countries from near-by topics "GBP collapsed" and "AUD collapsed" is a diversion too.

[AnotherFarang8]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The Ukrainian nationals that prefer to live in Russia can most probably move to Russia.

 

They are ethnic Russians who lived in these territories centuries before Ukraine claimed independence which only happened 30 years ago as a result of incorrect division of land after the collapse of USSR which lumped together different cultures. These people have no reason to move elsewhere, it is their land, they are majority there. Their grandfathers graves are on this land. They are defending their land from western Ukes and driving them out back to their own western Ukeland.

[d2b2]

Did anyone really expect a junta government to condemn the illegitimate taking of sovereign land?  They have to abstain, they are an illegitimate government themselves.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, plus7 said:

It is just facts.

Demanding from your host country (I assume you're a farang in Thailand) to behave as same as countries from near-by topics "GBP collapsed" and "AUD collapsed" is a diversion too.

The topic here is Putin's illegal invasion and occupations in Ukraine and Thailand's failure to stand up clearly against evil.

Bye.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, d2b2 said:

Did anyone really expect a junta government to condemn the illegitimate taking of sovereign land?  They have to abstain, they are an illegitimate government themselves.

Expect? No.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, AnotherFarang8 said:

They are ethnic Russians who lived in these territories centuries before Ukraine claimed independence which only happened 30 years ago as a result of incorrect division of land after the collapse of USSR which lumped together different cultures. These people have no reason to move elsewhere, it is their land, they are majority there. Their grandfathers graves are on this land. They are defending their land from western Ukes and driving them out back to their own western Ukeland.

Using slurs.

Spreading Kremlin lies that being a Russian speaker equals being anti Ukrainian  I have no time for such Putinista garbage. Bye.

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

To be fair, most "whataboutism" is simply somebody pointing out hypocrisy.

Like Westerners, whose countries are always in a state of war - often on several continents at once and FAR from home - clutching pearls and moralising when a non-Western country invades a neighbour.

 

Stones and glass houses and so on...

Russia's also partial to having several military operations going on at one time in the world.

 

The Wagner Group is in military operations across at least half a dozen African nations. Of course the Russians are also in Syria and Libya. 

 

Then we have its illegal invasion of Ukraine

[Puccini]

47 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Which government?

The government of the country of the post to which I replied, ie Thailand.

 

Thank for having asked the question, thus giving me the opportunity to add this clarification.

[shackleton]

Up to them ????

If you are not a Thai national why worry ????

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, ChessNerd said:

You know Russia was *invited* to Syria by the president to help fight ISIS, right?

Facts matter, brother, even if you don't like these people.

But regardless, is Russia's military adventurism, let's say post-WW2, even comparable to the U.S?

Not even close. Not even worth of comparison.

It wasn't invited to carry out war crimes though was it:

 

Russia committed war crimes in Syria, finds UN report

The country was also blamed for indiscriminate attacks in civilian areas without ‘a specific military objective’

 

Or in Africa:

Russian mercenaries behind Central African Republic atrocities - HRW

 

Now Ukraine

[Puccini]

48 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

...Sovereign governments may have language standards for government business. If you don't like it fine but no justication to invade or occupy...

Precicely. For example, Russian and Chinese and other languages are not in use for government business in Italy, but this does of course not mean that anybody, including Italian nationals, are fobidden to speak a language other than Italian.

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand has abstained,

I don't know if Vlad will be happy with that... maybe the zillions of Russians tourists will not be coming 555

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand has abstained, as did China and India,

For reference, Cambodia, with strong links to Russia, did vote in favor of condemning Russia (earlier media report quoted "likely to")

 

https://www.khmertimeskh.com/501167530/cambodia-likely-to-reaffirm-stance-against-russia-at-un/

[vandeventer]

4 hours ago, John Drake said:

There are consequences for Thailand should it vote against Russia. The Russians make that clear all the time. So do the Chinese. There are no consequences for Thailand standing against the US and Europe. There never are, although with the huge trade surplus Thailand runs with the United States there could be. But the US acts like an empty suit. Won't do a thing.

Is there anything that Thailand did to help Ukraine? We could send them a few bags of rice?

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

Please don't cite The Guardian as a source around intelligent people. ????

Anyway, is your position really that Russia is more imperialist militarily than the West?

Because if not, why are you cherry-picking "Russia bad" articles from Western rags?

Regardless, I don't care. People will eat whatever they are fed, I guess...

I'll cite whatever source I care to, the Guardian is sourcing and links to the UN report you really should try to get past your own bias and not make assumptions on other peoples intelligence. 

[flossie35]

5 hours ago, plus7 said:

What about India and China ?

What about small Nicaragua who fought for its independence all 20st century and won ? Coward too ?

Who are not cowards then?  Those who condemn but buying gas/oil ?

 

Too many still swallow Washington's propaganda. The areas in question are populated mainly by Russians. For the last few years, while part of Ukraine, they have been bombarded by Ukraine, with 14,000 deaths. Why would they vote to remain Ukranian? For whatever reason, Thailand has got it right. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, flossie35 said:

Too many still swallow Washington's propaganda. The areas in question are populated mainly by Russians. For the last few years, while part of Ukraine, they have been bombarded by Ukraine, with 14,000 deaths. Why would they vote to remain Ukranian? For whatever reason, Thailand has got it right. 

Both of your claims are totally untrue and misinformation. False that there were 14,000 deaths caused by Ukraine bombardment (source) and false that all the areas being annexed are mainly populated by Russians. Kherson is Ukrainians – 82.0% ; Russians – 14.1%

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, Gknrd said:

Thailand is following China's lead. Nothing more. 

Personally I am out of here until things cool off. Luckily I did not burn my bridges years ago. 

Hopefully things will cool off soon.  

out of interest where are you thinking of going?

[coolcarer]

14 minutes ago, ChessNerd said:

Correct.

It is indeed propaganda (and successful propaganda at that) when the U.S can have over 800 military bases spanning the globe (as well as "black sites" where torture is conducted, including in Thailand btw), and in a state of perpetual war for all but 16 years of their 200+ years of existence...

...and meanwhile their pot-smoking, football-watching, burger-eating, ass-twirking citizens are sobbing about the moral questions of "Russian imperialism". ????

Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings, but it happens to be true.

(P.S I love everyone equally ????)

The post you were quoting is not correct, it’s fake news.

 

Why would anyone be hurt by your post? No need to apologize. It clearly shows your anti west agenda so it’s good to note. Thanks

[Artisi]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

Nothing new here, Thailand always abstain when it come to hot potatoes issues, a. saying this is not our problem, b. we want the russian tourists, so bit the hand that feed us and c. i don't think Thailand put many thoughts in to any really world's issues other when it comes to their comfort zone...

Well, with Thailand being the centre of the universe can you really expect them to give a rats a rse about anything that could influence their well-being?