Thailand believes condemnation will reduce chances of resolving conflict in Ukraine

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, micmichd said:

Why should Thailand (a neutral country) get involved in a war that isn't even theirs? 

Then why are they in the UN in the first place?

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, 2baht said:

They can't deter potential Russian tourists now, can they! ????

Or upset bro Xi

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Plenty of countries ( eg Burma ) doing the same sort of thing, but those countries getting exercised over Russia seem rather quiet on them. Has your country condemned Burma in the UN?

119 countries did vote in the UN condemning Myanmar although Russia is still supplying them with weapons as it carries out its genocide but this is about Thailand

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Once again “having peace in our time” - a la Chamberlain as Hitler demanded the German speaking Sudetenland from sovereign Czechoslovakia. 

How many deaths and how much destruction are worth not ceding some territory?

 

Given it was probably not advantageous to Thailand to vote for the resolution, abstention IMO was the best option as China would not be pleased if Thailand voted for it.

I guess they had to balance America against China, and China won. After all, IMO America is hardly going to punish it's best ally in SEA for abstaining.

[anandra]

11 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Hi,

 

Why do you wonder that Ukraine glorifying nazism ?

Have you seen a video how defenders or steel plant in Mariupol surrendered ? They are full of tattoos with nazi symbols. Some tattoos are very creative.

 

I'm sure Zelensky himself doesn't like it, but this glorifying needs for militarization of youth.

In small baltic countries: Lietuva, Latvia and Estonia they have marches on old SS veterans. Why? Simply to split population inside countries. Just something for irritation. It may be that real SS veterans are long dead, but they just dressing up old men.

 

 

 

No wonder all countries in Europe that have border with russian butchers, try to  keep away from them, all of them remember russian occupation, stalinist regimes, nurders 

Edited October 14, 2022 by anandra

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How many deaths and how much destruction are worth not ceding some territory?

 

Given it was probably not advantageous to Thailand to vote for the resolution, abstention IMO was the best option as China would not be pleased if Thailand voted for it.

I guess they had to balance America against China, and China won. After all, IMO America is hardly going to punish it's best ally in SEA for abstaining.

Ukraine is not ceding territory, quite the opposite, reclaiming more and more daily. 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In your opinion, but you can't know that. The Chinese connection is strong regardless  of the government.

Anyway, I doubt that any type of Thai government cares about the opinions of farangs.

Always ready for a China slant even if it's not plausible. The more educated guess is that it has to do with Putin's planned attendance at the APEC summit next month. 

[Pinot]

2 hours ago, petey123 said:

reading the above comments, it is clear how effective the intensive "western" propaganda machine has been.    this war with its increasing death and destruction can be laid squarely at the feet of the empire of lies and its puppetry.    the nazi-influenced regime had been conducting wholesale slaughter of russians living in the east of that corrupt country since 2014 and v. putin finally decided it had to end.   he had stated late last year that war could be avoided if the empire/puppetry gave up their plan to push nato up to the russian border by inviting ukraine to join and if the latter allowed limited autonomy to its russian-speaking citizens, per the minsk agreement.    the arrogant parties of the "west"  refused to even talk, seeing the ukraine as a means to weaken russia as a potential rival to the empire.    since then the bankrupt empire (31 trillion plus dollars debt) has been hurling billions into the ukraine to keep young ukrainian and russian men dying, cheered on by the corrupt media and the arms merchants.    as an aside, when the west talks about the importance of maintaining  "territorial integrity," it would be good to remember that the empire intensely bombed serbia to enable kosovo to declare its independence and that, today, the empire's troops are garrisoning a significant portion of northeast syria while stealing syrian petroleum....

good on ya Pavloh and kudos to Thailand for not joining the insanity....      

Didn't they teach you punctuation, Vlad? 

[Chongalulu]

1 hour ago, pavloh said:

I guess you think the west is winning.  

Well we KNOW Russia is losing ! ???? 

[plus7]

6 minutes ago, anandra said:

No wonder all countries in Europe that have border with russian butchers, try to  keep away from them, all of them remmeber russian occupation, stalinist regimes, nurders 

I can't object to this.

I was talking about nazi symbolism. Facebook unblocked Azov battalion account ... Nazification which itself seems to be prohibited in European countries too, but still exists. Some sort of dualism, a hypocrisy.

 

 

[jimn]

3 hours ago, pavloh said:

Putin goal is has and is to Denazify Ukraine and disarm. The Minsk agreements ratified by the UN we destroyed by the US and UK. There was a agreement made in Turkey a couple of months ago until BOJO went to Ukraine and destroyed it.

 

 

The west wants war 

You silly man

[NicoBKK]

Why should Thailand even care?

[thaibeachlovers]

22 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Thailand - resolving conflict between a fascist aggressor nation committing war crimes and a peaceful democratic nation?

 

But Ukraine should choose the Thai solution by unconditional surrender after one week of resistance, ie., against Japanese invasion of Thailand in WW2?

 

Thailand's abstention was not an act in defense of a nation's integrity nor of democracy. It seems more towards economic alignment regardless of  any democratic and humanitarian cost.

A peaceful democratic nation? Please don't tell me you mean Ukraine. Has it not been fighting a war in Donbas since 2014?

 

Would you rather Thailand had faced thousands of deaths and large scale destruction by not surrendering to a superior military force? Think about what happened in China. Is that what you wish had happened to Thailand?

IMO they did the only sane thing in the circumstances.

[Robert Tyrrell]

5 hours ago, Jerno said:

I call BS. Just pandering to Russia and China, by sitting on the fence. 

Thailand mostly always has been a fence sitter, I ask this question what for example if this was taking place in Thailand and they were reaching out for Allie assistance ??!! Put the shoe on your foot Thailand  !! 

[Pinot]

55 minutes ago, micmichd said:

Who are you to judge what a "respectable country" is? 

I respectable human being doesn't support Russia and a maniac threatening nuclear weapons. I don't say this lightly, I will rejoice the day someone finds the guts to put a bullet into that creeps head. 

[thaibeachlovers]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ukraine is not ceding territory, quite the opposite, reclaiming more and more daily. 

and how many deaths and how much destruction has occurred to get to this point? The dead might not agree that it was worth it.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

and how many deaths and how much destruction has occurred to get to this point? The dead might not agree that it was worth it.

Too many and the Ukrainians have even more resolve to carry on until their home is liberated.

[superal]

1 hour ago, Swampy999 said:

Imagine a very large country not far away sending its military and missiles here in a 'special military operation' and the majority of other countries do not condemn the action.

Thailand, money number one.

That could happen . However what I see as Thailand's stance is neutrality , because at the moment Thailand is being courted by America & China . Thailand does not want to fall out with any potential trader . So the Americans bring the NATO countries and Russia with China not only manufacturing trade but most of the general tourism and investment to Thailand . So with an open house mentality , Thailand is milking it to the extreme but will eventually have to take a side because military wise it is weak . My bet is it will side with China & co .

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Too many and the Ukrainians have even more resolve to carry on until their home is liberated.

Indeed, the military industrial complex will be happy and rich, and the dead will have to be content with a memorial to their sacrifice.

War is never a good idea, even if it's the "right" sort of war.

[wwest5829]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

How many deaths and how much destruction are worth not ceding some territory?

 

Given it was probably not advantageous to Thailand to vote for the resolution, abstention IMO was the best option as China would not be pleased if Thailand voted for it.

I guess they had to balance America against China, and China won. After all, IMO America is hardly going to punish it's best ally in SEA for abstaining.

I find Thailand’s abstention vote consistent historically in its trying to balance the interests of competing world powers. As to whether there is ever a cause to fight over territory? History does report that there are times when people do decide to defend their country (I am thinking WWII Czechoslovakia here). Philosophically, the debate has been with countries/empires for a long time. I have not found any one “right” conclusion.

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A peaceful democratic nation? Please don't tell me you mean Ukraine. Has it not been fighting a war in Donbas since 2014?

 

Would you rather Thailand had faced thousands of deaths and large scale destruction by not surrendering to a superior military force? Think about what happened in China. Is that what you wish had happened to Thailand?

IMO they did the only sane thing in the circumstances.

Donbas belongs to Ukraine, it was fighting an insurgency backed by Russia _ Russian separatists there. 60% of Donbas is Ukrainian population and their were very few deaths, less than 100 in the previous 2 years, of those most with soldiers.

[PeachCH]

They would avoid to shut into their own feets  like the European's. 

[anandra]

2 minutes ago, plus7 said:

I can't object to this.

I was talking about nazi symbolism. Facebook unblocked Azov battalion account ... Nazification which itself seems to be prohibited in European countries too, but still exists. Some sort of dualism, a hypocrisy.

 

 

total manupilative nonsense, there was no any symbolism among Azov related to nazi Germany, neither Azov shared  any ideas with nazis, Azov itself was created in Donbass region. Azov now is a part of Ukrainian army.and it is very small group. By the way real nazis are fighting for russia now, and no one calls russia nazi country evem if theu are worse. Try to find information about famous russian war mutcher Aleksey Melchakov, who openly called himself a s nazist. as russian troll you probably know him. I tell you modern ruscism if far more dangerous than the nazism in Germany

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, superal said:

That could happen . However what I see as Thailand's stance is neutrality , because at the moment Thailand is being courted by America & China . Thailand does not want to fall out with any potential trader . So the Americans bring the NATO countries and Russia with China not only manufacturing trade but most of the general tourism and investment to Thailand . So with an open house mentality , Thailand is milking it to the extreme but will eventually have to take a side because military wise it is weak . My bet is it will side with China & co .

My bet is it will side with China & co .

 

That should not be a surprise to anyone that knows the relationship with China goes back hundreds if not thousands of years.

If it came down to it, I expect the Chinese connection will win over the comparatively recent alliance with the US, especially when they take the American habit of fighting in foreign countries and then leaving the erstwhile host country to sort the mess left behind into account.

[mania]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand abstained during the UN vote to condemn Russia’s annexation of four regions of Ukraine because it believes that such condemnation, when the situation in Ukraine is escalating, will reduce the chances of resolving the conflict through diplomatic means,

They are not wrong IMO

Truthfully Biden & the military industrial complex warmongers who support him are getting rich (Again) off this proxy war against Russia

The arming of the Ukrainians with weapon systems billed to the tax payer of the USA are not helping but escalating the situation daily

 

The same thing also being attempted by Biden & Pelosi in Taiwan by promising the US will step in & defend them against China??

 

Yet how would the USA feel if Hawaii wanted to restore their monarchy which was overthrown by the USA?

And China did the same & said hey you want out of the USA?

We will defend you should you so desire independence.

 

Would the USA stand for that?

 

Nah instead I prefer the words of John Quincy Adams back when he said about America

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings,

 

https://loveman.sdsu.edu/docs/1821secofstateJQAdmas.pdf

 

Biden Et al. should learn their history

 

Edited October 14, 2022 by mania

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed, the military industrial complex will be happy and rich, and the dead will have to be content with a memorial to their sacrifice.

War is never a good idea, even if it's the "right" sort of war.

The military industrial complex of Russia is doing very well, so well they've nearly run out of supplies and beefing up their output. Along with the supplies they get from North Korea, Iran and Belarus they are all very happy and rich as you insinuate for some weird reason.

 

The dead would not be dead if Russia had not invaded, the tortured and raped, the children killed and kidnapped. Ukraine and its people have made the decision to defend their home. Even with the recent missile strikes history which should tell Putin that this does not work, all it does is unite the people even more. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, PeachCH said:

They would avoid to shut into their own feets  like the European's. 

Indeed they should avoid shooting themselves in the foot like the Europeans.

[Aussieroaming]

Thailand choice, but don't expect as many sympathetic countries helping if there's ever another devestating tsunami here.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The military industrial complex of Russia is doing very well, so well they've nearly run out of supplies and beefing up their output. Along with the supplies they get from North Korea, Iran and Belarus they are all very happy and rich as you insinuate for some weird reason.

 

The dead would not be dead if Russia had not invaded, the tortured and raped, the children killed and kidnapped. Ukraine and its people have made the decision to defend their home. Even with the recent missile strikes history which should tell Putin that this does not work, all it does is unite the people even more. 

I'm sure most know that the "military/ industrial complex" refers to America as president Eisenhower referred to it.

[anandra]

8 minutes ago, mania said:

They are not wrong IMO

Truthfully Biden & the military industrial complex warmongers who support him are getting rich (Again) off this proxy war against Russia

The arming of the Ukrainians with weapon systems billed to the tax payer of the USA are not helping but escalating the situation daily

 

The same thing also being attempted by Biden & Pelosi in Taiwan by promising the US will step in & defend them against China??

 

Yet how would the USA feel if Hawaii wanted to restore their monarchy which was overthrown by the USA?

And China did the same & said hey you want out of the USA?

We will defend you should you so desire independence.

 

Would the USA stand for that?

 

Nah instead I prefer the words of John Quincy Adams back when he said about America

She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings,

 

https://loveman.sdsu.edu/docs/1821secofstateJQAdmas.pdf

 

Biden Et al. should learn their history

 

Before posting manipulative nonsense you should have prepared yourself, reading history, how many times ukrainians were fighting against russians, how rissians were destroying and banning the ukrainian language, cukture, imprisoning ukraining writers poets, how russians created few femines in Ukraine, and then you would not have probably post nonsense here. Biden and the Europe has nothing to do with that..Though the Europe probably has, Merkel grew up butcher putin and made all Europe dependent on russian gas and oil, many european leaders did not pay attention at how russia was slowly turning into new nazi regime. Many countries blocked Ukraine from joining NATO, thinking it will calm down Putin. High similarity with calming down Hitler before the world war II. As we see it did not work. Most of russian trolls know it, but they must post their rubbish manipulations here

Edited October 14, 2022 by anandra