Three presidents descend on Pennsylvania in a major day for one of the nation’s most closely watched Senate contests

[Scott]

 

Three presidents – one sitting and two former – descend on Pennsylvania Saturday for a final-stretch midterm push that underscores the stakes of one of the nation’s most closely watched Senate races.

For President Joe Biden, who will hold a rare joint appearance with former President Barack Obama in Philadelphia meant to boost the Democratic candidate Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, Pennsylvania will amount to a political stress test in his home state, where he’s traveled 20 times since taking office.

For former President Donald Trump, who rallies outside of Pittsburgh in the city of Latrobe, a win by his hand-selected candidate Dr. Mehmet Oz could prove his own enduring viability in a commonwealth he lost by a narrow margin in 2020.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/barack-obama-joe-biden-donald-trump-pennsylvania-campaign/index.html

[Chomper Higgot]

And Oprah chipped in too, backing Fetterman.

 

The polls are as close as they get:

 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2022/pennsylvania/

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

From the CNN article

"Still, his events haven’t generated the same electricity as Obama’s."

LOL. That's stating the flippin' obvious. IMO Biden is as stimulating as watching paint dry, unless one is looking for him to talk to dead people or fall over.

 

 

"The moment marks a historic anomaly. Former presidents have typically only waded sparingly into daily politics, mostly avoiding direct criticism of the men occupying the office they once held."

No wonder they had to get Obama away from his lux waterfront place to get some momentum into the campaign, which IMO is a move out of desperation as they see the house slipping away from them and Biden's agenda along with it.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

From the CNN article

"Still, his events haven’t generated the same electricity as Obama’s."

LOL. That's stating the flippin' obvious. IMO Biden is as stimulating as watching paint dry, unless one is looking for him to talk to dead people or fall over.

 

 

"The moment marks a historic anomaly. Former presidents have typically only waded sparingly into daily politics, mostly avoiding direct criticism of the men occupying the office they once held."

No wonder they had to get Obama away from his lux waterfront place to get some momentum into the campaign, which IMO is a move out of desperation as they see the house slipping away from them and Biden's agenda along with it.

And what precisely is wrong with members of a political party speaking  in support of the of their party and the political agenda it was voted into office on?

 

Obama has a nice waterfront pad, what I wonder might be the objection to that?

[DeaconJohn]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And what precisely is wrong with members of a political party speaking  in support of the of their party and the political agenda it was voted into office on?

 

Obama has a nice waterfront pad, what I wonder might be the objection to that?

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And what precisely is wrong with members of a political party speaking  in support of the of their party and the political agenda it was voted into office on?

 

Obama has a nice waterfront pad, what I wonder might be the objection to that?

The Obama's "waterfront pad" is a sprawling abomination that is totally out of character with the island's architectural heritage.

Bad taste that screams aloud..

Yes, I know it's not the only one, but that's no excuse for living in a place so comically pretentious.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Obama has a nice waterfront pad, what I wonder might be the objection to that?

"Last week, President Obama flew here to swim with Hawaiian monk seals and draw attention to a quieter war — one he has waged against rising seas, freakish storms, deadly droughts and other symptoms of a planet choking on its own fumes.

Bombs may not be falling. The sound of gunfire does not concentrate the mind. What Mr. Obama has seen instead are the charts and graphs of a warming planet. “And they’re terrifying,” he said in a recent interview in Honolulu."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html

 

So he is terrified of rising sea levels. So terrified that he goes out and buys TWO sea level mansions, one in Martha's(2) and also he bought the old Hawaii 5-0 mansion in Hawaii(1). The objection conservatives have to this is that his stance smacks of insincerity. Does he want to walk the walk of a climate alarmist, or is he pretending to be one to fool gullible democrats? Most revealing is that discussion of Obamas waterfront mansions was verboten. Letting the public know BO's actions was a no go. Why was that? Nothing to hide nothing to fear right.

 

With insincere speakers like Obama, I can't imagine any good will come of him and Biden campaigning. All eyes will be on the human dynamo Donald John Trump who will be whipping his fans into patriotic frenzies. something the Biden-bros don't do much of.

 

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made

(1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10481075/Scowling-Obama-inspects-new-multi-million-dollar-Hawaii-mansion-controversial-sea-wall.html

 

(2) https://www.homesandgardens.com/news/president-obama-new-house-marthas-vineyard

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Last week, President Obama flew here to swim with Hawaiian monk seals and draw attention to a quieter war — one he has waged against rising seas, freakish storms, deadly droughts and other symptoms of a planet choking on its own fumes.

Bombs may not be falling. The sound of gunfire does not concentrate the mind. What Mr. Obama has seen instead are the charts and graphs of a warming planet. “And they’re terrifying,” he said in a recent interview in Honolulu."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html

 

So he is terrified of rising sea levels. So terrified that he goes out and buys TWO sea level mansions, one in Martha's(2) and also he bought the old Hawaii 5-0 mansion in Hawaii(1). The objection conservatives have to this is that his stance smacks of insincerity. Does he want to walk the walk of a climate alarmist, or is he pretending to be one to fool gullible democrats? Most revealing is that discussion of Obamas waterfront mansions was verboten. Letting the public know BO's actions was a no go. Why was that? Nothing to hide nothing to fear right.

 

With insincere speakers like Obama, I can't imagine any good will come of him and Biden campaigning. All eyes will be on the human dynamo Donald John Trump who will be whipping his fans into patriotic frenzies. something the Biden-bros don't do much of.

 

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made

(1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10481075/Scowling-Obama-inspects-new-multi-million-dollar-Hawaii-mansion-controversial-sea-wall.html

 

(2) https://www.homesandgardens.com/news/president-obama-new-house-marthas-vineyard

 

That reads like a bout of envy is upon you.

 

However your portrait of Trump as being a ‘Human Dynamo’ is rather amusing.

 

Don’t confuse people wrapping themselves in the flag as patriots.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, DeaconJohn said:

 

The Obama's "waterfront pad" is a sprawling abomination that is totally out of character with the island's architectural heritage.

Bad taste that screams aloud..

Yes, I know it's not the only one, but that's no excuse for living in a place so comically pretentious.

 

Supporter of man with a gold plated toilet reimagines himself as a style guru.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That reads like a bout of envy is upon you.

 

However your portrait of Trump as being a ‘Human Dynamo’ is rather amusing.

 

Don’t confuse people wrapping themselves in the flag as patriots.

 

"When Fascism Comes To America, It Will Be Wrapped in the Flag and carrying a cross"

 

Famous quote but can't be attributed by to one person. 

[Hanaguma]

48 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Supporter of man with a gold plated toilet reimagines himself as a style guru.

Both can be mocked, and should be. However, only one is telling others how to live.  That is the problem with being preachy and self righteous, it is a very hard standard to live up to. 

 

As for Pennsylvania, Oz will win.  Shapiro will win. It will be closer than it should be because Fetterman can ride Shapiro's coat-tails to an extent, but in the end enough people will realize that he is simply incapable.

[Jingthing]

Fetterman is all Pennsylvania all the time stroke or no stroke.

Electing Oz would be like choosing an alien from plastic city.

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Fetterman is all Pennsylvania all the time stroke or no stroke.

Electing Oz would be like choosing an alien from plastic city.

You must have a low opinion of Pennsylvania. Is all Pennsylvania living on their parents' largesse until they are in their 40s- he was getting more than $50,000 a year from them!  

 

Even when he finally got a real job at Lt. Governor, he didn't bother to show up for work. He was absent 1/3 of the time and averaged a full 4 to 5 hours the remainder.  

 

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-health-pennsylvania-campaigns-covid-5dcdd51b1f87b6cfa7dc607cb1d13e29

 

And you think he is ready for the Senate?

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Last week, President Obama flew here to swim with Hawaiian monk seals and draw attention to a quieter war — one he has waged against rising seas, freakish storms, deadly droughts and other symptoms of a planet choking on its own fumes.

Bombs may not be falling. The sound of gunfire does not concentrate the mind. What Mr. Obama has seen instead are the charts and graphs of a warming planet. “And they’re terrifying,” he said in a recent interview in Honolulu."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html

 

So he is terrified of rising sea levels. So terrified that he goes out and buys TWO sea level mansions, one in Martha's(2) and also he bought the old Hawaii 5-0 mansion in Hawaii(1). The objection conservatives have to this is that his stance smacks of insincerity. Does he want to walk the walk of a climate alarmist, or is he pretending to be one to fool gullible democrats? Most revealing is that discussion of Obamas waterfront mansions was verboten. Letting the public know BO's actions was a no go. Why was that? Nothing to hide nothing to fear right.

 

With insincere speakers like Obama, I can't imagine any good will come of him and Biden campaigning. All eyes will be on the human dynamo Donald John Trump who will be whipping his fans into patriotic frenzies. something the Biden-bros don't do much of.

 

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made

(1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10481075/Scowling-Obama-inspects-new-multi-million-dollar-Hawaii-mansion-controversial-sea-wall.html

 

(2) https://www.homesandgardens.com/news/president-obama-new-house-marthas-vineyard

 

LOL. Not exactly the happy go lucky character that wooed the US public in 2011.  No wonder he isn't concerned by "rising sea levels". A few thousand $ in the right place sorted that.

I noticed that the sea wall is below high tide level.

[candide]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"Last week, President Obama flew here to swim with Hawaiian monk seals and draw attention to a quieter war — one he has waged against rising seas, freakish storms, deadly droughts and other symptoms of a planet choking on its own fumes.

Bombs may not be falling. The sound of gunfire does not concentrate the mind. What Mr. Obama has seen instead are the charts and graphs of a warming planet. “And they’re terrifying,” he said in a recent interview in Honolulu."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html

 

So he is terrified of rising sea levels. So terrified that he goes out and buys TWO sea level mansions, one in Martha's(2) and also he bought the old Hawaii 5-0 mansion in Hawaii(1). The objection conservatives have to this is that his stance smacks of insincerity. Does he want to walk the walk of a climate alarmist, or is he pretending to be one to fool gullible democrats? Most revealing is that discussion of Obamas waterfront mansions was verboten. Letting the public know BO's actions was a no go. Why was that? Nothing to hide nothing to fear right.

 

With insincere speakers like Obama, I can't imagine any good will come of him and Biden campaigning. All eyes will be on the human dynamo Donald John Trump who will be whipping his fans into patriotic frenzies. something the Biden-bros don't do much of.

 

supporting evidence for inconvenient claims made

(1) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10481075/Scowling-Obama-inspects-new-multi-million-dollar-Hawaii-mansion-controversial-sea-wall.html

 

(2) https://www.homesandgardens.com/news/president-obama-new-house-marthas-vineyard

 

 

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Not exactly the happy go lucky character that wooed the US public in 2011.  No wonder he isn't concerned by "rising sea levels". A few thousand $ in the right place sorted that.

I noticed that the sea wall is below high tide level.

As usual, fake news! The house is not directly on sea shore (It's quite obvious, see pictures in link #2), and is about 25 feet above sea level. 

[Keep Right]

Fetterman opens debate, "Hi, Goodnight Everyone."  Enough said, the man is not fit to serve, end of subject.

[Phoenix Rising]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 All eyes will be on the human dynamo Donald John Trump who will be whipping his fans into patriotic frenzies. something the Biden-bros don't do much of.

Patriotic frenzy? With all the talk of the Big Lie, a dash of conspiracy theories and a dollop of Quack-Anon stuff it's more like traitor frenzy.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Keep Right said:

Fetterman opens debate, "Hi, Goodnight Everyone."  Enough said, the man is not fit to serve, end of subject.

I agree! What a difference a debate makes. Many on the left dont see it that way! He champions their cause, thats good enough for them! The gop/ conservatives rolled their eyes on that debate.Hopefully swing voters watched that debate and come to the same conclusion as the rest of Oz supporters 

So the swing voter has to be the arbiter here  again.Hopefully enough of them come out and vote accordingly ,on the “top issues,

economy, crime, boarder ,abortion .

If that happens imop its Game ,Set ,Match.

A wasington post article

“pre debate” referenced swing voters opinions.

 

“These swing voters may be unaware of Fetterman’s strong support for abortion rights but they loved his outsider persona in describing their feelings toward him: “Weed … different … tax evasion … unpolished … tall … plain-spoken.”

 

“Seven of the 13 Pennsylvania swing voters said Fetterman’s stroke concerned them, but only three said it would factor into their vote. Most just wished him a speedy recovery”.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/15/independent-voters-trump-biden-midterms/

 

Hopefully those 13 and many more have a more informed view after watching!

[Jingthing]

There is a good chance Fetterman will make a good recovery from his stroke but there is no chance that  Oz will recover from what he is. Fetterman by .5 percent. 

[Hanaguma]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is a good chance Fetterman will make a good recovery from his stroke but there is no chance that  Oz will recover from what he is. Fetterman by .5 percent. 

True that. Oz will never recover from being a world class heart surgeon.

 

Fetterman is hurting his own chances of recovery by not taking time to recover. The first 6 months after a stroke are crucial and he spent them campaigning. He is a relatively young guy, he could have waited until the next election cycle.  

 

Oz wins by 1.3%. Senate goes GOP 52-47, and Walker probably loses a runoff in Georgia to make the final 52-48.

[Jingthing]

Perhaps after snake oil salesman Trumpist carpetbagger Oz loses in Pennsylvania he might want to try again in New Jersey. Or better yet not.

 

Fetterman stroke or not is clearly the better man.

[thaibeachlovers]

Where's Kamala? Why isn't she out there supporting the Democrat candidates? Is she so unpopular that she's hiding?

[Eric Loh]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where's Kamala? Why isn't she out there supporting the Democrat candidates? Is she so unpopular that she's hiding?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/kamala-harris-midterms-closing/index.html

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-seeks-to-rally-voters-on-abortion-as-polls-show-interest-waning-11667480402

 

More if you really need to know what’s she up to. Goggle is your friend. 
 

By the way, former Presidents from the Dem Party like Bill, Hillary and Obama are chipping in to support their candidates. Don’t see any former GOP presidents on the campaign trail. Perhaps it’s the obnoxious Trump’s fallout. 

[Hanaguma]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/kamala-harris-midterms-closing/index.html

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-seeks-to-rally-voters-on-abortion-as-polls-show-interest-waning-11667480402

 

More if you really need to know what’s she up to. Goggle is your friend. 
 

By the way, former Presidents from the Dem Party like Bill, Hillary and Obama are chipping in to support their candidates. Don’t see any former GOP presidents on the campaign trail. Perhaps it’s the obnoxious Trump’s fallout. 

Yeah, Veep was campaigning in Massachussets, New York and California. Really pushing the envelope there and helping candidates in toss up districts get that final push they need...I guess that is hard when her likability is lower even than Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

38 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/kamala-harris-midterms-closing/index.html

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-seeks-to-rally-voters-on-abortion-as-polls-show-interest-waning-11667480402

 

More if you really need to know what’s she up to. Goggle is your friend. 
 

By the way, former Presidents from the Dem Party like Bill, Hillary and Obama are chipping in to support their candidates. Don’t see any former GOP presidents on the campaign trail. Perhaps it’s the obnoxious Trump’s fallout. 

Hillary was never a president!

 

Trump has been out campaigning. Google is your friend.

[SunnyinBangrak]

37 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

By the way, former Presidents from the Dem Party like Bill, Hillary and Obama are chipping in to support their candidates. Don’t see any former GOP presidents on the campaign trail. Perhaps it’s the obnoxious Trump’s fallout. 

If Reagan was alive I think we'd wheel him out. As it stands only Bush is alive, and his whole military-industrial complex theme has been well and truly left behind by the Republican party - we are now a party of diplomacy and peace. Liz Cheney and Bush are much more closely aligned with the Democrats these days. The pair would be booed off any proper Republican stage. They would have loved the wild and woolly Ukraine spending though.

[Credo]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where's Kamala? Why isn't she out there supporting the Democrat candidates? Is she so unpopular that she's hiding?

She is and has been campaigning.  She is a VP and she is not covered anywhere near to the degree that the President and the former Presidents.   

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/14/politics/kamala-harris-midterm-campaign-travel-abortion

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/06/politics/kamala-harris-midterms-closing

 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-10-15/kamala-harris-gretchen-whitmer-2028

[Chomper Higgot]

The citizens of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania have made their choice:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/pennsylvania-senate-fetterman-beats-trump-pick-oz-nbc-news-projects.html

[Eric Loh]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The citizens of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania have made their choice:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/pennsylvania-senate-fetterman-beats-trump-pick-oz-nbc-news-projects.html

McConnell was right to say that candidate quality could blow party's chances for senate control. Trump takes the full blame for the loss. 

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

McConnell was right to say that candidate quality could blow party's chances for senate control. Trump takes the full blame for the loss. 

Trump might deserve the blame, but there is no way he’ll accept it.

[placeholder]

It looks like Trumpism gone wild in the aftermath of the Pennsylvania elections. Mastroiano has refused to concede despite Shapiro's big margin of victory.

But what's truly bizarre is that at 9:30 in the morning Pennsylvania time, Mehmet Oz called Jon Fetterman and asked him to concede. Are we seeing a particularly crazed example of denialism?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3727173-oz-calls-fetterman-to-concede/