Republicans sue to disqualify thousands of mail ballots in U.S. swing states

[onthedarkside]

 

The lawsuits coincide with a systemic effort by GOP leaders to persuade voters to cast ballots in person, not absentee

 

Republican officials and candidates in at least three battleground states are pushing to disqualify thousands of mail ballots after urging their own supporters to vote on Election Day, in what critics are calling a concerted attempt at partisan voter suppression.

...

Over the past two years, Republicans have waged a sustained campaign against alleged voter fraud. Experts say the litigation — which could significantly affect Tuesday’s vote — represents a parallel strategy of suing to disqualify mail ballots based on technicalities. While the rejections may have some basis in state law, experts say they appear to go against a principle, enshrined in federal law, of not disenfranchising voters for minor errors.

 

(more)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2022/11/07/gop-sues-reject-mail-ballots/

 

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

Republican officials and candidates in at least three battleground states are pushing to disqualify thousands of mail ballots

that have not been cast for them. 

[riclag]

 — Pennsylvania officials cannot count votes from mail-in or absentee ballots that lack accurate, handwritten dates on their return envelopes, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday, a week before tabulation will begin in races for governor, the U.S. Senate and the state Legislature.
 

It doesnt say whos party votes are most affected by this decision ,probably dems cause they use this method( drop box and mail) more than  Gop imop

So if you dont fill the ballot out correctly ( sign and dated)you have a chance of not having your vote counted .

Seems easy enough to go to cast your vote in person to insure that it gets counted .imop.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/pennsylvania-court-ballots-in-undated-envelopes-wont-count/article_278a2dba-d9b8-5b96-a7b8-5402986ad89c.html

 

[Saanim]

On 11/8/2022 at 1:16 AM, riclag said:

 — Pennsylvania officials cannot count votes from mail-in or absentee ballots that lack accurate, handwritten dates on their return envelopes, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday, a week before tabulation will begin in races for governor, the U.S. Senate and the state Legislature.
 

It doesnt say whos party votes are most affected by this decision ,probably dems cause they use this method( drop box and mail) more than  Gop imop

So if you dont fill the ballot out correctly ( sign and dated)you have a chance of not having your vote counted .

Seems easy enough to go to cast your vote in person to insure that it gets counted .imop.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/pennsylvania-court-ballots-in-undated-envelopes-wont-count/article_278a2dba-d9b8-5b96-a7b8-5402986ad89c.html

 

But somewhere I read (in already closed debate) that:

However the increased use of vote-by-mail, early voting and voter drop boxes has so far resulted in a trivial amount of fraud.

 

Perhaps it was meant with tongue-in-cheek or the meaning of the "trivial" was misinterpreted? 

 

 

[LennyW]

Lessons learned and all that!! 

[vandeventer]

On 11/8/2022 at 1:16 AM, riclag said:

 — Pennsylvania officials cannot count votes from mail-in or absentee ballots that lack accurate, handwritten dates on their return envelopes, the state Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday, a week before tabulation will begin in races for governor, the U.S. Senate and the state Legislature.
 

It doesnt say whos party votes are most affected by this decision ,probably dems cause they use this method( drop box and mail) more than  Gop imop

So if you dont fill the ballot out correctly ( sign and dated)you have a chance of not having your vote counted .

Seems easy enough to go to cast your vote in person to insure that it gets counted .imop.

https://www.wfmz.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/pennsylvania-court-ballots-in-undated-envelopes-wont-count/article_278a2dba-d9b8-5b96-a7b8-5402986ad89c.html

 

Don't tell me the Democrats cheating again, no ID?  I wonder if the 5 million that came in on Biden's watch are trying vote in the midterm? They got everything they wanted now it's pay back?

[SunnyinBangrak]

9 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

that have not been cast for them. 

Can you post a link supporting your claim that Republicans are disqualifying votes because they are not for the prefferred candidate?

 

Not holding my breath....

[Hanaguma]

So, they want to disqualify votes "based on technicalities". In other words, they want to actually follow the law. Amazing that the purportedly undemocratic party would want to obey the law, isn't it?

[heybruce]

24 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

So, they want to disqualify votes "based on technicalities". In other words, they want to actually follow the law. Amazing that the purportedly undemocratic party would want to obey the law, isn't it?

The law that is being followed serves no purpose.  When it was first written absentee ballots dated before election day would be counted if received late, but now all absentee ballots must be received by election day or they won't be counted.  https://www.vote.pa.gov/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx

 

Can you think of any good reason why a mail-in ballot received before the election and properly filled out should be rejected because the sender overlooked the date part on the outside of the envelope?

 

 

[Hanaguma]

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The law that is being followed serves no purpose.  When it was first written absentee ballots dated before election day would be counted if received late, but now all absentee ballots must be received by election day or they won't be counted.  https://www.vote.pa.gov/Voting-in-PA/Pages/Mail-and-Absentee-Ballot.aspx

 

Can you think of any good reason why a mail-in ballot received before the election and properly filled out should be rejected because the sender overlooked the date part on the outside of the envelope?

 

 

Yes I can. It doesn't follow the law as enacted by the state. Don't like it? Petition your representatives to change the law. A person who can't follow simple directions probably shouldn't be voting anyway. 

[onthedarkside]

Legal fight explodes in Pennsylvania over mail-in ballots

Democrats, including John Fetterman's campaign, demanded in a lawsuit that undated or incorrectly dated mail-in ballots be counted in the battleground state

 

On the eve of Election Day, a legal battle has erupted in one of the most closely watched battleground states of the 2022 midterms.

 

Democrats sued Monday demanding that undated or incorrectly dated mail-in ballots be counted in Pennsylvania's election, which could end up determining which party controls the Senate.

 

The lawsuit, filed in part by Democratic Senate candidate John Fetterman's campaign, argues that a provision in state law requiring that mail-in ballots include the date on the outside of the envelopes violates federal law.

 

(more)

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/legal-fight-explodes-pennsylvania-mail-ballots-rcna56112

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes I can. It doesn't follow the law as enacted by the state. Don't like it? Petition your representatives to change the law. A person who can't follow simple directions probably shouldn't be voting anyway. 

Like this you mean lol

Trump tried to vote with wrong address while railing against voter fraud

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/donald-trump-vote-by-mail-fraud-florida

[heybruce]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes I can. It doesn't follow the law as enacted by the state. Don't like it? Petition your representatives to change the law. A person who can't follow simple directions probably shouldn't be voting anyway. 

Do you also think a person who can't follow simple directions regarding the Presidential Records Act should be allowed to run for office?

[Hanaguma]

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Like this you mean lol

Trump tried to vote with wrong address while railing against voter fraud

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/03/donald-trump-vote-by-mail-fraud-florida

I agree. He shouldnt be allowed to vote that way either.

[Hanaguma]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Do you also think a person who can't follow simple directions regarding the Presidential Records Act should be allowed to run for office?

I would be very happy if Trump doesn't run again.  

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Can you post a link supporting your claim that Republicans are disqualifying votes because they are not for the prefferred candidate?

 

Not holding my breath....

Sorry, for the hard of thinking my post was sarcasm… based on perceived motivations…

[Credo]

17 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Can you post a link supporting your claim that Republicans are disqualifying votes because they are not for the prefferred candidate?

 

Not holding my breath....

Republican Party is waging a nationwide assault on voting rights

The upcoming midterm elections in the United States are of utmost importance, as the future of multiracial democracy in the country hangs in the balance. What takes place during the 2022 election, and the 2024 presidential election will determine whether America has the potential to sustain a viable democratic system of governance.

 

As American citizens seek to exercise their right to vote, the Republican Party has been waging a nationwide assault on voting rights.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/3/republican-party-is-waging-a-nationwide-assault-on-voting-rights

 

And since you might not like this link, try this one:

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/29/stacking-the-deck-how-the-gop-works-to-suppress-minority-voting/

 

And here's more:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/23/voter-suppression-election-interference-republicans

 

There are a lot more.

 

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Don't tell me the Democrats cheating again, no ID?  I wonder if the 5 million that came in on Biden's watch are trying vote in the midterm? They got everything they wanted now it's pay back?

It has nothing to do with ID.  And everything to do with whether or not ballots conform to election laws.  If not then they don't get counted.  What's not fair about that?

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, Credo said:

Republican Party is waging a nationwide assault on voting rights

The upcoming midterm elections in the United States are of utmost importance, as the future of multiracial democracy in the country hangs in the balance. What takes place during the 2022 election, and the 2024 presidential election will determine whether America has the potential to sustain a viable democratic system of governance.

 

As American citizens seek to exercise their right to vote, the Republican Party has been waging a nationwide assault on voting rights.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/5/3/republican-party-is-waging-a-nationwide-assault-on-voting-rights

 

And since you might not like this link, try this one:

https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/09/29/stacking-the-deck-how-the-gop-works-to-suppress-minority-voting/

 

And here's more:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/23/voter-suppression-election-interference-republicans

 

There are a lot more.

 

Are Democrats going to use 'voter suppression' and blame new election laws to not accept the election results if massive numbers of Democrats lose?  Wouldn't that be election denial?  It certainly wouldn't be because a majority of voters are sick and tired of what Joe Biden and Democrats (along with never-Trump Republicans and establishment Republicans) have done to the country?

[Credo]

32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Are Democrats going to use 'voter suppression' and blame new election laws to not accept the election results if massive numbers of Democrats lose?  Wouldn't that be election denial?  It certainly wouldn't be because a majority of voters are sick and tired of what Joe Biden and Democrats (along with never-Trump Republicans and establishment Republicans) have done to the country?

No, the Democrats aren't going to come up with a BIG LIE or a conspiracy.  If there is evidence, it will be presented.   

 

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, Credo said:

No, the Democrats aren't going to come up with a BIG LIE or a conspiracy.  If there is evidence, it will be presented.   

 

After the past two years of promoting 'election denial' it would be too much of a stretch for the Dems to then become 'election deniers' themselves.  They've eliminated that as an excuse for a potential blowout loss in the midterms.

On the other hand, I believe there will be some major Congressional investigations into what really happened in 2020.  In the end it may not be the BIG LIE.  We'll wait and see on that one.

[Credo]

28 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

After the past two years of promoting 'election denial' it would be too much of a stretch for the Dems to then become 'election deniers' themselves.  They've eliminated that as an excuse for a potential blowout loss in the midterms.

On the other hand, I believe there will be some major Congressional investigations into what really happened in 2020.  In the end it may not be the BIG LIE.  We'll wait and see on that one.

Bill Barr and the DOJ did investigate and did not find anything.  Unless you make stuff up, it won't result in anything, just more lies and controversies.  

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Credo said:

Bill Barr and the DOJ did investigate and did not find anything.  Unless you make stuff up, it won't result in anything, just more lies and controversies.  

Sorry, but Barr and the DOJ did no such thing.  Do you have links to any of their investigations?

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by Tippaporn

[nauseus]

16 hours ago, heybruce said:

Do you also think a person who can't follow simple directions regarding the Presidential Records Act should be allowed to run for office?

Off topic in a flash.

[bendejo]

The plan is to destroy the electoral system via burdening them with anything they can concoct.  Don't get hung up on the demands of a certain case, each is just another piece of trash being dumped.

 

How is this being allowed to happen?

 

Edited November 9, 2022 by bendejo

[Credo]

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Sorry, but Barr and the DOJ did no such thing.  Do you have links to any of their investigations?

 

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

 

Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

 

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Credo said:

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Sorry, but Barr and the DOJ did no such thing.  Do you have links to any of their investigations?

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

 

Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

 

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

 

Again, what investigations?  Other than Barr claiming what he's claiming in general he provided no evidence of any of the investigations or their details to my knowledge.  People can say anything they want as long as they know they don't have to back it up.

[simple1]

Usual members supporting any activity for Democrat voter suppression / disenfranchisement. As has been reported US Republicans slowly moving to authoritarian policies, which will accelerate if they gain power in 2024.

[SunnyinBangrak]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Usual members supporting any activity for Democrat voter suppression / disenfranchisement. As has been reported US Republicans slowly moving to authoritarian policies, which will accelerate if they gain power in 2024.

Voter suppression you say? You will enjoy this thread...

 

"A judge denied on Tuesday evening the Republicans’ effort to extend poll hours and delay the release of early ballot numbers on Election Day in Arizona’s largest county. "

 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Voter suppression you say? You will enjoy this thread...

 

"A judge denied on Tuesday evening the Republicans’ effort to extend poll hours and delay the release of early ballot numbers on Election Day in Arizona’s largest county. "

 

Exactly. The republicans tried to suppress, this time a judge stepped in.
Voting should be made easy.