'Not a repudiation': Joe Biden holds off red wave, gets unexpected boost from midterm election

[Berkshire]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One or a hundred, it doesn't matter as the GOP takes control and they control the money.

GOP win = Biden loss.

 

If you say so.  But a slim majority has its problems.  I'm sure you're familiar with the "Manchin and Sinema" problem the Dems have in the senate.  It will be several multiples worse in the House with all those MAGA morons trying to push their agenda.  The Speaker will have his hands full.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Berkshire said:

If you say so.  But a slim majority has its problems.  I'm sure you're familiar with the "Manchin and Sinema" problem the Dems have in the senate.  It will be several multiples worse in the House with all those MAGA morons trying to push their agenda.  The Speaker will have his hands full.

We'll see. It's not even a certainty that the GOP will win the house yet. I do wish they'd pull finger and finish counting the votes.

[ThailandRyan]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trumpism coming to an end, LOL. Not so if one is reading this thread as its full of the expected hate Trump posts from the usual posters. Thread isn't even about him.

But isn't it about him? As well as the candidates that he backed, supported and then as you see many failed and thus giving the supposed red wave a beat down to just a red trickle....

Edited November 11, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

But isn't it about him? and his candidates that he backed, supported and then as you see many failed and thus giving the supposed red wave a beat down to just a red trickle....

Trump isn't in the title of the thread. Biden is.

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trumpism coming to an end, LOL. Not so if one is reading this thread as its full of the expected hate Trump posts from the usual posters. Thread isn't even about him.

No hate, just glad to see the demise of a malignant influence that has poisoned American democracy and many peoples trust in it because of lies and self serving conspiracy theories spouted by the former president.
 

No one said this thread was about trump, yet most commentators are showing how trump was in many ways to blame for the relatively poor performance of the republicans in the mid terms.
 

Those commentators include former allies. 
 

Cue exit music…

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bluespunk
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[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No one said it was, yet most commentators are showing how trump was in many ways to blame for the relatively poor performance of the republicans in the mid terms. 
 

Those commentators include former allies. 
 

Cue exit music…

Yes politics as usual. Support someone and when they are no longer useful turn on them and rip them apart.

No wonder politicians garner so little respect. Somewhere below used car salesmen I read a while ago.

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes politics as usual. Support someone and when they are no longer useful turn on them and rip them apart.

No wonder politicians garner so little respect. Somewhere below used car salesmen I read a while ago.

Trump reaping as he sowed. 
 

Good riddance to him and his malignant poisonous influence. 
 

He won’t be missed. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bluespunk

[Fat is a type of crazy]

36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One or a hundred, it doesn't matter as the GOP takes control and they control the money.

GOP win = Biden loss.

 

Being happy because the defeat wasn't too bad is a bit sad, IMO.

Does a football team that loses by only 1 point cheer because it wasn't a "big" loss?

 

Anyway, what's taking so long to count the votes for the house? 2 days already. Pathetic.

It's not so simple - the Republicans are not one voice - centrists, right wing, far right - so if they want something to get through they prefer to have a large majority to be sure they can get enough Republican votes. So if it's close it's not so easy - Democrats found that in the Senate with Joe Manchin and others causing difficulties.  

What's taking so long to count? That seems to be the Fox News narrative - sort of vaguely hinting to anomalies but having nothing much.

New numbers in Arizona look good for Senate and Governor vote for democrats. Hobbs Kelly looking good. So sad for Kari Lake. Love it. She is so appalling. Though she still has a chance though. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[ThailandRyan]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump isn't in the title of the thread. Biden is.

Yet who led the Red Wave which was staved off.  You can not have your cake and eat it too when it covers both sides of the aisle my friend. The orange man is a part of the story whether you agree or not. I will leave it at that.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes politics as usual. Support someone and when they are no longer useful turn on them and rip them apart.

No wonder politicians garner so little respect. Somewhere below used car salesmen I read a while ago.

Unfortunately this ain't politics as usual. Trump will never see himself as useless in his egostistical fantasy. He will go scorched earth on the GOP and it doesn;t matter to him that he is giving the advantage to the Democrats. The GOP better prayed that jail time for Trump will come sooner. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yet who led the Red Wave which was staved off.  You can not have your cake and eat it too when it covers both sides of the aisle my friend. The orange man is a part of the story whether you agree or not. I will leave it at that.

Trump is IMO so last year. However, I get that some just can't stop chewing on an old bone.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Trump reaping as he sowed. 
 

Good riddance to him and his malignant poisonous influence. 
 

He won’t be missed. 

Perhaps not, but a lot of posters apparently don't agree, as they keep talking about him, rather than the topic.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump isn't in the title of the thread. Biden is.

The red wave is in the title, guess who wanted that to overwhelm Biden? LOL

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps not, but a lot of posters apparently don't agree, as they keep talking about him, rather than the topic.

As his contributions to the midterms were partially responsible for the less than expected performance his actions are a legitimate, on topic point of discussion. 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bluespunk
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[ThailandRyan]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump is IMO so last year. However, I get that some just can't stop chewing on an old bone.

As Trump is blaming, or is he not blaming all else for the failure to humiliate the Dems, while taking shots at DeSantis, and the winner in Pennsylvania who is a Democrat it is on Topic as far as the red wave is concerned. 

 

Until he stops spouting such rhetoric he will not be seen as last year. I wish the man would go quietly away to his earned rewards....jail.

Edited November 11, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[newnative]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

One or a hundred, it doesn't matter as the GOP takes control and they control the money.

GOP win = Biden loss.

 

Being happy because the defeat wasn't too bad is a bit sad, IMO.

Does a football team that loses by only 1 point cheer because it wasn't a "big" loss?

 

Anyway, what's taking so long to count the votes for the house? 2 days already. Pathetic.

     The wait is due to American voting these days.  What's taking so long is counting the large numbers of mailed-in ballots.  You remember that dunce Trump thought he had won election night because he was ahead, in some cases, with election day voting.  That was especially evident in Pennsylvania, which hadn't even started to count mailed-in votes, which heavily-favored Biden.  Trump still lies that Pennsylvania was 'stolen' from him.  

    The vote also takes longer because votes mailed-in on election day must also be counted in many places--so there is a wait for them to even be delivered.   If a race is a blow-out a winner can be projected, knowing that the mailed-in ballots won't make a difference.  This is not the case with races like the Nevada and Arizona Senate and a number of the House races.  I've looked at a number of the undeclared House races and found leads of only a few thousand votes, sometimes only a few hundred.   In those races, every absentee and mail-in vote does, indeed, need to be counted, which takes time.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

As Trump is blaming, or is he not blaming all else for the failure to humiliate the Dems, while taking shots at DeSantis, and the winner in Pennsylvania who is a Democrat it is on Topic as far as the red wave is concerned. 

 

Until he stops spouting such rhetoric he will not be seen as last year. I wish the man would go quietly away to his earned rewards....jail.

The best thing to do with Trump is to ignore him. He feeds off public talking about him. If they no longer do so he'll just talk to his base and rant a bit till they get bored with him. Does anyone talk about the Tea Party anymore?

He has been shown to be yesterday's man by his inability to get his nominations elected. He may want to stand again, but who's going to give him the money to do so?

I suspect the GOP will sideline him now and where else can he go?

I could be wrong, but only time will tell on that. Of course CNN need to keep talking about him for their ratings, but happily I don't watch CNN.

Edited November 11, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The best thing to do with Trump is to ignore him. He feeds off public talking about him. If they no longer do so he'll just talk to his base and rant a bit till they get bored with him.

He has been shown to be yesterday's man by his inability to get his nominations elected. He may want to stand again, but who's going to give him the money to do so?

I suspect the GOP will sideline him now and where else can he go?

I could be wrong, but only time will tell on that. Of course CNN need to keep talking about him for their ratings, but happily I don't watch CNN.

I wish he could just be ignored, but he is so vociferous and arrogant that he just keeps frothing at the mouth and spouting rhetoric that will implode the republican party unless they kick him out and bury him. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

As his contributions to the midterms were partially responsible for the less than expected performance his actions are a legitimate, on topic point of discussion. 

Unless I am very mistaken, he will have no support bar his base, so a waste of time talking about him any more. IMO he's had his day, he's done, bye bye Trump.

The man to watch for 24 is apparently De Santis.

[candide]

22 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless I am very mistaken, he will have no support bar his base, so a waste of time talking about him any more. IMO he's had his day, he's done, bye bye Trump.

The man to watch for 24 is apparently De Santis.

Well, it is unlikely that DeSantis issues won't be related to Trump in one way or another during the next two years. We can trust the Donald for that.

[Bkk Brian]

21 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless I am very mistaken, he will have no support bar his base, so a waste of time talking about him any more. IMO he's had his day, he's done, bye bye Trump.

The man to watch for 24 is apparently De Santis.

How large is Trump's base currently? You may conveniently decide its best to ignore him after all this time, how many of the MAGA culties are? Do you know how many election denying officials got voted in? At least 124 Republicans elected in the US midterms have publicly denied the result of the 2020 presidential election. Trump is not out of this by a long shot yet.

[Sparktrader]

On 11/10/2022 at 2:31 PM, placeholder said:

Clearly you have no acquaintance with the facts:

"In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan."

" Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. "

https://www.britannica.com/place/Italy/The-Fascist-era

 

 

The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, Sheldon Richman succinctly states: “As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.”7 He contends that socialism seeks to abolish capitalism outright, while fascism gives the appearance of a market-based economy, even though it relies heavily on the central planning of all economic activities. According to authors Roland Sarti and Rosario Romeo, “[U]nder Fascism the state had more latitude for control of the economy than any other nation at the time except for the Soviet Union.”8

 

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2015/Samuelsfascism.html

 

 

Mussolini founded fascism in 1919 as an alternative left-wing revolutionary movement to socialism.

A rising star of the Italian Socialist party and a brilliant editor of its newspaper Avanti!, he had been expelled from the party in 1914 because he opposed its policy that Italy should remain neutral in the first world war. Instead, the future Duce believed that Italy must go to war against Austria and Germany which it eventually did in 1915. He insisted that socialists could not wait for history, as Marxist doctrine preached. They must make history, he argued, and such a war would help, not hinder, the revolution. 

 

 https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-mussolini-invented-fascism/

Edited November 11, 2022 by Sparktrader

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unless I am very mistaken, he will have no support bar his base, so a waste of time talking about him any more. IMO he's had his day, he's done, bye bye Trump.

The man to watch for 24 is apparently De Santis.

Nonetheless he is still relevant to this thread .

 

Regarding desantis, trumps narcissistic remarks about desantis standing against him will cause a lot of grief during the primaries if followed through.

 

One wonders if trump will cry fraud if he loses in them. 

 

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Bluespunk
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[placeholder]

2 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, Sheldon Richman succinctly states: “As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.”7 He contends that socialism seeks to abolish capitalism outright, while fascism gives the appearance of a market-based economy, even though it relies heavily on the central planning of all economic activities. According to authors Roland Sarti and Rosario Romeo, “[U]nder Fascism the state had more latitude for control of the economy than any other nation at the time except for the Soviet Union.”8

 

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2015/Samuelsfascism.html

 

 

Mussolini founded fascism in 1919 as an alternative left-wing revolutionary movement to socialism.

A rising star of the Italian Socialist party and a brilliant editor of its newspaper Avanti!, he had been expelled from the party in 1914 because he opposed its policy that Italy should remain neutral in the first world war. Instead, the future Duce believed that Italy must go to war against Austria and Germany which it eventually did in 1915. He insisted that socialists could not wait for history, as Marxist doctrine preached. They must make history, he argued, and such a war would help, not hinder, the revolution. 

 

 https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-mussolini-invented-fascism/

If Mussolini had remained as a socialist who would ever have heard of him? Just because he began that way, doesn't mean that's how he ended up. Socialism is about workers' ownership of the economy via the state. It is also highly anti-nationalistic since it believes that the situation is workers are being exploited by capitalists wherever they may be. Mussolini actually allied himself with capitalists against workers. And of course, he made a religion out of nationalism. Naturally, a right wing rag such as the Spectator is going to try and equate fascism with socialism. But it's nonsense.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Nonetheless he is still relevant to this thread .

 

Regarding desantis, trumps narcissistic remarks about desantis standing against him will cause a lot of grief during the primaries if followed through.

 

One wonders if trump will cry fraud if he loses in them. 

 

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

We won't know when Trump is over for sure until the fat lady sings.

Many thought he was over after his Jan 6 failed coup attempt including Republicans.

People forget that a candidate with 25 percent support can win the republican primary in a crowded field..

Things do indeed look grimmer for Trump now but arguably risk of indictments may end up being more permanently fatal than DeSantis. Or health reasons real or staged.

 

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Jingthing

[placeholder]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trump isn't in the title of the thread. Biden is.

Of course Trump isn't relevant to this conversation....oh wait a minute...

 

Exit polls show voters divided by Biden, Trump and abortion

https://news.yahoo.com/exit-polls-show-voters-divided-132153407.html

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

I wish he could just be ignored, but he is so vociferous and arrogant that he just keeps frothing at the mouth and spouting rhetoric that will implode the republican party unless they kick him out and bury him. 

LOL. So people just can't ignore him because he's so....................................?

Perhaps it's more that people enjoy talking about him so much they just can't stop, or they want to use him for ratings ( CNN ).

Seems the Donald really does own some people's minds!

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. So people just can't ignore him because he's so....................................?

Perhaps it's more that people enjoy talking about him so much they just can't stop, or they want to use him for ratings ( CNN ).

Seems the Donald really does own some people's minds!

Or maybe because he's still so vociferously supported by Republicans? Remember their outrage, and yours, when the FBI searched Mar a Lago?

[ThailandRyan]

Whatever happened Trump was a key to the Dems staying alive.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/democrats-maintain-control-senate-nbc-news-projects-defeating-many-tru-rcna56677

[ThailandRyan]

Looks to me like the Senate will remain in the Dems hands.....one wonders if Trump was the deathblow to a few Republicans by forcing the Independents over to the Dems side.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-63600154