Elon Musk restores Donald Trump’s Twitter account

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Funny how the left only support voting when they win. Lose it's Russia or bots voting 5555

And when people question the result of a poll/election, it suddenly doesn't become a conspiracy theory anymore , when they lose and question the result

[Fat is a type of crazy]

13 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And when people question the result of a poll/election, it suddenly doesn't become a conspiracy theory anymore , when they lose and question the result

I haven't totally kept us with this thrilling debate but you are comparing I think the election in the United States, that has stringent guidelines and standards, and that has huge international implications, with a twitter poll. One verifiable and one not. Different standards of care and visibility of what is going on. Twitter itself raises concerns about such results.  Therefore a different response can be appropriate. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO it doesn't really matter, with his actions since buying Twitter it looks like Musk is going to consign it to oblivion anyway. Staff are deserting in droves, probably advertisers will too.

 

The world is probably anesthetized to Trump's tweets, except for his following of knuckle-draggers. Perhaps Musk should stick to his knitting, IIRC Henry Ford lost millions on Brazilian plantations.

That sounds like hate speech on Trump's millions of followers.

What would you say if I said that about anyone that supports Biden?

[Phoenix Rising]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That sounds like hate speech on Trump's millions of followers.

What would you say if I said that about anyone that supports Biden?

I can only speak for myself but it would not be possible for me to care less if you did.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Phoenix Rising said:

I can only speak for myself but it would not be possible for me to care less if you did.

I wasn't talking to you.

[Phoenix Rising]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't talking to you.

Well that's just plain rude!

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you know whether there were any bots voting or not or are you just guessing that there was ?

Unlike US elections, there are no legally required safeguards, no audits and no recounts of Twitter polls.

 

Musk could open his poll up for analysis of its validity, but I don't think he'll do that.  Do you?

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

10m now? So just making up numbers. Its possible 5m fakes voted against then.

 

Guess you never thought of that.

You've lost the plot again.  Nobody knows how many of these votes were legitimate, and it's unlikely anyone ever will know.  You seem to be recognizing this without considering its implications.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

I think it's great he's back. He is becoming more and more unhinged. One might use the 'technical' term is that he's batsh!t crazy.  The more exposure he gets, the more anyone sane will move away from him. Sure, he'll keep the Incels, QAnon crowd, some fanatical christians and white supremacists, but they cannot carry an election.

 

The bloated mendacious traitor is in a political death spiral right now, and letting his increasingly crazed mind spew nonsense on a public forum will hasten his decline. Molon labe!

 

He's a spent force and a loser. He was always an embarrassment to rational people, but now his Party knows he's poison to their Party. He lost the House, Senate and White House to the Dems in 2020, and he nearly lost the House again, while losing the Senate again and several Governor slots and SecStates. If he barks about the GA Senate runoff, he'll lose that seat, too. Losing is what he does best, in business and in politics.

 

Give him all the rope he needs to hang himself and get it over with. Then finish him off for good with an indictment, trial conviction, and execution for capital offenses.

I hope you are correct.  But every time I assume there can't be that many stupid people, something happens to remind me that half of all people are below the median on intelligence.

 

BTW:  Executing him would make him a martyr to those far to the left on the intelligence distribution.  Risky.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

I would expect its within 10 or 15% margin of error. Given Twitter is mostly young 80%+ and mostly left Trump getting 51.8% did well.

 

It is possible 5m votes were fake. Could be 4m fake against him.

 

Of course being biased you dont want to accept that.

I'm biased towards reality.  Nobody knows if the poll results are valid because nobody knows how many votes are valid.  You acknowledge that by speculating on how many invalid votes there were and how they voted.

 

You like the poll results therefore you insist that a poll with no safeguards against fraud and manipulation is trustworthy.  That is how biased against reality you are.

Edited November 20, 2022 by heybruce

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

Unlike US elections, there are no legally required safeguards, no audits and no recounts of Twitter polls.

 

Musk could open his poll up for analysis of its validity, but I don't think he'll do that.  Do you?

Especially when Musk acknowledged during online poll that automated ‘bots’ were voting too

[heybruce]

48 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Funny how the left only support voting when they win. Lose it's Russia or bots voting 5555

Really?  How many leftists have stormed Twitter HQ chanting "Hang Elon Musk"?

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Trump was banned from Twitter for not accepting the election result , now some people are not accepting the poll result to allow him back on .

   Should the people who don't accept the poll result also be banned from Twitter ? 

If I make the generous assumption that you know the difference between how US elections are conducted and how Twitter polls are conducted, I can only assume you are trolling.

[Sparktrader]

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If I make the generous assumption that you know the difference between how US elections are conducted and how Twitter polls are conducted, I can only assume you are trolling.

Do they ask voters for photo id?

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

I think it's great he's back. He is becoming more and more unhinged. One might use the 'technical' term is that he's batsh!t crazy.  The more exposure he gets, the more anyone sane will move away from him. Sure, he'll keep the Incels, QAnon crowd, some fanatical christians and white supremacists, but they cannot carry an election.

 

The bloated mendacious traitor is in a political death spiral right now, and letting his increasingly crazed mind spew nonsense on a public forum will hasten his decline. Molon labe!

 

He's a spent force and a loser. He was always an embarrassment to rational people, but now his Party knows he's poison to their Party. He lost the House, Senate and White House to the Dems in 2020, and he nearly lost the House again, while losing the Senate again and several Governor slots and SecStates. If he barks about the GA Senate runoff, he'll lose that seat, too. Losing is what he does best, in business and in politics.

 

Give him all the rope he needs to hang himself and get it over with. Then finish him off for good with an indictment, trial conviction, and execution for capital offenses.

That gets my vote for post of the year!

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Do they ask voters for photo id?

"Voter ID laws in the United States are laws that require a person to provide some form of official identification before they are permitted to register to vote, receive a ballot for an election, or to actually vote in elections in the United States.

 

At the federal level, the Help America Vote Act of 2002 requires a voter ID for all new voters in federal elections who registered by mail and who did not provide a driver's license number or the last four digits of a Social Security number that was matched against government records."

 

Does twitter require any form of ID to sign up?

[owl sees all]

44 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If I make the generous assumption that you know the difference between how US elections are conducted and how Twitter polls are conducted, I can only assume you are trolling.

 

Of course they are both different.

 

But which one is more accurate?

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

I hope you are correct.  But every time I assume there can't be that many stupid people, something happens to remind me that half of all people are below the median on intelligence.

 

 

I don't need to be on Twitter, I get enough reminders on ASEAN.

[Seppius]

If you believe the ex employers all over TikTok, Twitter will not remain up much longer, no bugs are being fixed and porn is getting out of hand

[thaibeachlovers]

Just heard on radio news that Trump has declined to go back on twitthing.

[thaibeachlovers]

23 minutes ago, Seppius said:

If you believe the ex employers all over TikTok, Twitter will not remain up much longer, no bugs are being fixed and porn is getting out of hand

Hmmm. in that case it might be worth a look, 5555555555555.

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just heard on radio news that Trump has declined to go back on twitthing.

Yes, check back a few pages, has been discussed already hours ago.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And when people question the result of a poll/election, it suddenly doesn't become a conspiracy theory anymore , when they lose and question the result

Now you consider Twitter polls as equivalent to election polls! What about this one? ????

https://www.surveyeah.com/en/poll/mickey-mouse-or-donald-duck/

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3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And when people question the result of a poll/election, it suddenly doesn't become a conspiracy theory anymore , when they lose and question the result

If the method is invalid, as it is in the case of a poll that is open to anyone, why would questioning it mean that conspiracy is alleged. It's blatantly obvious that such a method doesn't conform to basic polling standards. And how could a decision by Elon Musk be a conspiracy? 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Now you consider Twitter polls as equivalent to election polls! What about this one? ????

 

Just commenting on peoples different reactions .

The USA elections were definitely legitimate and no fraud occurred because there's no proof and anyone who suggests that there may been some fraud is a right wing conspiracy theorist nutjob ............but these Twitter polls are definitely fraudulent, no doubt about it even thought there's no proof of anything fraudulent happening 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just commenting on peoples different reactions .

The USA elections were definitely legitimate and no fraud occurred because there's no proof and anyone who suggests that there may been some fraud is a right wing conspiracy theorist nutjob ............but these Twitter polls are definitely fraudulent, no doubt about it even thought there's no proof of anything fraudulent happening 

Bots and troll armies that have voted as confirmed by Musk are not fraudulent?

[candide]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just commenting on peoples different reactions .

The USA elections were definitely legitimate and no fraud occurred because there's no proof and anyone who suggests that there may been some fraud is a right wing conspiracy theorist nutjob ............but these Twitter polls are definitely fraudulent, no doubt about it even thought there's no proof of anything fraudulent happening 

It has not been particularly claimed the Twitter pool was fraudulent. It has been claimed that there have been no standards and procedures in place to guarantee the validity of the Twitter poll.

 

In election polls, there are standards and procedures to guarantee the validity of the vote. So unless a proof of fraud is found, or an evidence that the procedure has not been properly folloed, the results can be trusted.

In a survey, there is a procedure (methodology) to guarantee the validity (with a calculated margin of error).

 

In a Twitter poll, there is none of these. There is no procedure to control "votes" (even Musk stated bots may have voted, multiple accounts are possible, etc...), so it's impossible to guarantee there was no fraud. It's not about suspecting fraud, It's about a system which cannot be trusted. There is also no methodology implemented to guarantee the de facto "sample" of respondents is representative of Twitter users.

 

So, in brief, because of the absence of standards and procedures, it cannot be trusted for not being fraudulent, and it cannot be trusted for representing the user base of Twitter.

Trump may or may not have "won", there is no way to know.

[stevenl]

27 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Bots and troll armies that have voted as confirmed by Musk are not fraudulent?

Really no point in discussing this with someone who puts these 2 elections on the same level.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Yes, check back a few pages, has been discussed already hours ago.

Sooooo, if Trump ain't going to use it again, why is this thread continuing? Somewhat pointless IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just commenting on peoples different reactions .

The USA elections were definitely legitimate and no fraud occurred because there's no proof and anyone who suggests that there may been some fraud is a right wing conspiracy theorist nutjob ............but these Twitter polls are definitely fraudulent, no doubt about it even thought there's no proof of anything fraudulent happening 

I guess it depends on one's bias as to what is true and what is fraud!