Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: His post: “If Elon Musk continues to run Twitter like this, using garbage polls that do not represent the American people and the needs of our democracy, God help us all.” He is correct Yes, you posted that already and I replied to it already . I quoted it and now you have posted it again !!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat is a type of crazy Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: There are many people who like and support Tump , but they keep it quiet on social media and on other internet forums , because when they mention they like Trump, they receive lots of abuse and hate from the "tolerant" left No doubt he has a significant base. I think the election fraud nonsense, the investigations that people can see do have some merit, the Murdoch turnaround, and boredom with the old and the rise of new hopefuls, are taking a toll. Could be wrong. I think the left, centre, and the part of the right that doesn't like Trump, which add up to a lot these days, are generally intolerant not of individuals for being who they are, but those who make statements that can seem illogical, not backed by evidence, and or that parrot right wing media talking points. Some will say it's the same problem with the left and centre - facts and evidence are facts and evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, you posted that already and I replied to it already . I quoted it and now you have posted it again !!!!!!! So your response remains the same does it or do you now see he was not referring to the world but to America? Hence why he is absolutely correct Edited November 20, 2022 by Bkk Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: Precisely. They selected themselves. Do you really believe that a poll where people can elect to participate is a valid one? Gee, if that were the case, pollsters could save themselves a lot of money by just putting polls online and opening them to anyone. I imagine your reply will be that that's a good idea. Yet oddly enought, I don't know of any pollsters who do that? Do you wonder at all why that's the case? Do you think it's some kind of conspiracy? That pollsters don't want the rest of the world to know how simple it is? How was the poll conducted ? Was it an open poll where any and everyone could vote , or were the voters selected to vote ? Was it an open poll or was it a rigged poll ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemsta69 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, James105 said: I presume that you must own some of their stock That's the funniest thing I've read so far today man, thanks for brightening my day. Elon Musk bought all Twitter shares and took the company private. It belongs to him now*, not shareholders ???????????? *except for the little matter of the $13 bil loan he took out against the value of Twitter to partially fund the purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: So your response remains the same does it or do you now see he was not referring to the world but to America? Hence why he is absolutely correct What does Trump being on Twitter have to do with American democracy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: 7m accounts yeah only take 2 years to open them 555 You Trump haters and your theories So you maintain that the Twitter poll/vote you have so much faith in was free and fair? No bots, no multiple accounts held by the same person, no Russian trolls who would like to see a return of Trump, etc. What are the safeguards to prevent that from happening? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Confusing , he rubbishes a democratic poll where 15 million people voted and thinks the results should be ignored , then he goes about about democracy !!!!!! Does he agree with democracy or not ? What made this poll democratic? How many people knew it was being conducted before it was closed? What were the safeguards against bots and other fraud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Democracy is only democracy when its his side winning. Biden said so. I'm sure that's something you would love to tweet. Perhaps you already have. But it's either false or Biden's statement is taken grossly out of context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: 15m votes. Lets say 1m fakes leaves 14m. You're slowly getting there. Why not say 10 million fakes? Why not say all of them? Once again, what are the safeguards at Twitter to prevent this from happening? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: How were people in this poll selected ? Wasn't it an open poll where anyone can vote ? Not if they didn't know about the poll until after it was ended. And there remain questions regarding bots and trolls voting maliciously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, heybruce said: What made this poll democratic? How many people knew it was being conducted before it was closed? At a guess, 15 million people ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, heybruce said: Not if they didn't know about the poll until after it was ended. And there remain questions regarding bots and trolls voting maliciously. Just out of interest , would you voice the same concerns if the vote went the other way and Trump lost ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: What does Trump being on Twitter have to do with American democracy ? Was the statement just about democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: At a guess, 15 million people ? As of January this year there were almost 400 million people using Twitter, so that equates to a voter turn-out of less than 4%. I suspect more than 4% would have voted if they'd known the poll was being conducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Just out of interest , would you voice the same concerns if the vote went the other way and Trump lost ? I would consider the poll BS regardless of how it ended. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said: Was the statement just about democracy? He seemed to be saying that the majority of people voted for Trump top be allowed to post on Twitter and that poll shouldn't be accepted because that would be bad for American democracy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, heybruce said: As of January this year there were almost 400 million people using Twitter, so that equates to a voter turn-out of less than 4%. I suspect more than 4% would have voted if they'd known the poll was being conducted. Do you know how the poll was advertised and who participated in it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: He seemed to be saying that the majority of people voted for Trump top be allowed to post on Twitter and that poll shouldn't be accepted because that would be bad for American democracy ? Now try repeating what he actually said.........in full Edited November 20, 2022 by Bkk Brian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Now try repeating what he actually said.........in full Do you have any comment on the point I made ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: How was the poll conducted ? Was it an open poll where any and everyone could vote , or were the voters selected to vote ? Was it an open poll or was it a rigged poll ? It was an open poll. Just because a poll is open doesn't mean it's statistically valid. In fact, it means the opposite. So not a valid survey of Twitter members' opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do you know how the poll was advertised and who participated in it ? No. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Just now, heybruce said: No. Do you? Nope, I have no idea either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Do you have any comment on the point I made ? Why would I respond to a point taken out of context from his full statement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, placeholder said: It was an open poll. Just because a poll is open doesn't mean it's statistically valid. In fact, it means the opposite. So not a valid survey of Twitter members' opinions. OK, I think that I understand : The poll came out in Trumps favour and the majority of people wanted him to be able to post and statistically that means the majority of people don't want Trump on Twitter . Have I got that right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Rising Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: At a guess, 15 million people ? So you're guessing no bots on Twitter despite what Musk has said regarding this issue? OK then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phoenix Rising Posted November 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, I think that I understand : The poll came out in Trumps favour and the majority of people wanted him to be able to post and statistically that means the majority of people don't want Trump on Twitter . Have I got that right ? Being deliberately obtuse is not a great debating technique. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, I think that I understand : The poll came out in Trumps favour and the majority of people wanted him to be able to post and statistically that means the majority of people don't want Trump on Twitter . Have I got that right ? You could hardly be more wrong if the discussion is about whether a poll is statistically valid. If it's just about vote totals, then it might be a valid total. Or it might be due to that 20% of bots or more that Musk claimed were contaminating Twitter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said: So you're guessing no bots on Twitter despite what Musk has said regarding this issue? OK then. Do you know whether there were any bots voting or not or are you just guessing that there was ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said: Being deliberately obtuse is not a great debating technique. I was asking for clarification of what he meant ,as that was what he seemed to be saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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