5 people are killed, at least 18 injured in a shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

The revelation that Aldrich is a member of the LGBT community casts doubt on the previous hypothesis that the shooting was an anti-LGBT hate crime instigated by right-wing political commentators, as several prominent left-wing figures have claimed since the shooting on Saturday.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/colorado-lgbt-nightclub-shooter-is-non-binary-uses-theythem-pronouns-attorneys-say/ar-AA14rIPl

You are aware of the long history of gay men joining extremist rightwing movements with an anti gay agenda aren’t you?

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are aware of the long history of gay men joining extremist rightwing movements with an anti gay agenda aren’t you?

So gay on gay violence? Wow, didn't know that was a thing.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So gay on gay violence? Wow, didn't know that was a thing.

And Gay people joining extremist anti gay movements.

 

That’s a thing too.

[James105]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are aware of the long history of gay men joining extremist rightwing movements with an anti gay agenda aren’t you?

No.  Any evidence of this spurious claim?

[Hanaguma]

Looks like this story will soon disappear down the memory hole. No evidence to tie the killer to any right wing conspiracy or rhetoric.  "His grandfather voted for Trump" is a remarkable stretch of logic.

 

If there is any good news, it looks like the shooter took a good and serious sh!tkicking from the guys who tackled him...

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/colorado-shooting-suspect-ordered-held-bond-court-appearance-rcna58566

[Chomper Higgot]

56 minutes ago, James105 said:

No.  Any evidence of this spurious claim?

Refer Nicky Crane as an example, there are very many more.

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Refer Nicky Crane as an example, there are very many more.

Who the fork is RC?

[Scott]

 

 

Colorado Springs Shooting Suspect's Father: "They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘Shit, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

 

[Scott]

Porn-Star Dad of LGBT Club Massacre Suspect Spews Homophobia in First Interview

 

MMA-fighter-turned-porn-actor Aaron Franklin Brink had an immediate reaction when he learned his 22-year-old son had been accused of slaughtering five people and injuring 18 others last weekend in a mass shooting at a Colorado Springs nightspot catering to the LGBTQ community.

A defense attorney called Sunday night and told Brink, who lives in Southern California, that Anderson Lee Aldrich was under arrest for the massacre at Club Q.

“They started telling me about the incident, a shooting involving multiple people,” Brink said Tuesday in an interview outside his San Diego home with CBS 8. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/aaron-brink-pornstar-dad-of-colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-spews-homophobia

[Social Media]

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

Colorado Springs Shooting Suspect's Father: "They started telling me about the incident, a shooting... And then I go on to find out it’s a gay bar. I got scared, ‘<deleted>, is he gay?’ And he’s not gay, so I said, phew… I am a conservative Republican.”

 

umm, sit down dad, I got something to tell ya

Colorado Club Q shooting suspect is 'non-binary,' public defenders say

(a Fox News link, and they don't lie ????)

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Why no red flag on the suspect? "Aldrich was arrested in June 2021 in connection with a bomb threat that led to a standoff at his mother’s home, according to a news release from the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office at the time and his mother’s former landlord."

 

 

This Sheriff Was All About the Second Amendment Before the Club Q Attack

In the two years before this weekend’s mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Colorado Springs, Sheriff Bill Elder of surrounding El Paso County stridently opposed a 2020 “red flag” law that authorizes the courts to bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing firearms.

Elder was also vocal in supporting an anti-red flag resolution passed unanimously by county commissioners, what is officially known as the Second Amendment Preservation Resolution declares El Paso to be a “Second Amendment preservation county.” It describes Elder as “a staunch promoter of the Second Amendment,” noting he had issued in excess of 45,500 concealed carry permits, “more than any other Sheriff in the state.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/el-paso-county-sheriff-bill-elder-was-all-about-the-second-amendment-before-the-club-q-attack

[Scott]

21 minutes ago, bendejo said:

umm, sit down dad, I got something to tell ya

Colorado Club Q shooting suspect is 'non-binary,' public defenders say

(a Fox News link, and they don't lie ????)

 

 

Well, this dad doesn't need to sit down????  Non-binary can mean a lot or it can mean nothing:

What Is 'Nonbinary'?

Nonbinary is an umbrella term used to describe individuals who experience a gender identity that is neither exclusively woman nor man or is between or beyond both genders.2 Nonbinary individuals may identify as genderfluid, agender (without gender), genderqueer, or something else entirely.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-does-it-mean-to-be-non-binary-or-have-non-binary-gender-4172702

I am not wishing to get into the discussion, just pointing out what we know and don't know about this individual.  It appears he is a very conflicted person.  

[bendejo]

15 minutes ago, Scott said:

Well, this dad doesn't need to sit down????  Non-binary can mean a lot or it can mean nothing:

The point I was going for is the way the father in the youtube vid seemed somewhat relieved that his son was only a mass murderer, and he'd have been more upset to learn the son had gender issues.

 

 

[ozimoron]

Just now, bendejo said:

The point I was going for is the way the father in the youtube vid seemed somewhat relieved that his son was only a mass murderer, and he'd have been more upset to learn the son had gender issues.

There's more to this story. The kid obvious went incommunicado to avoid his dad's bigotry. I wonder if this may not have been some attempt to ingratiate himself with his father? We'll soon know because the hero was decent enough not to beat him to death.

[ozimoron]

The Far Right Is Already Attacking the Club Q Hero

After tackling the shooter in Colorado Springs, veteran Richard Fierro is receiving a torrent of online hate.

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93avba/colorado-shooting-club-q-richard-fierro

[Hanaguma]

3 hours ago, Scott said:

Porn-Star Dad of LGBT Club Massacre Suspect Spews Homophobia in First Interview

 

MMA-fighter-turned-porn-actor Aaron Franklin Brink had an immediate reaction when he learned his 22-year-old son had been accused of slaughtering five people and injuring 18 others last weekend in a mass shooting at a Colorado Springs nightspot catering to the LGBTQ community.

A defense attorney called Sunday night and told Brink, who lives in Southern California, that Anderson Lee Aldrich was under arrest for the massacre at Club Q.

“They started telling me about the incident, a shooting involving multiple people,” Brink said Tuesday in an interview outside his San Diego home with CBS 8. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/aaron-brink-pornstar-dad-of-colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-spews-homophobia

This is that father that the accused has had virtually no contact with for several years and lives a thousand miles away? How could anything he says have any bearing on the subject?  Oh yeah, it may be a way to hang a political motive on the shooter.....

Edited November 24, 2022 by Hanaguma

[James105]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

There's more to this story. The kid obvious went incommunicado to avoid his dad's bigotry. I wonder if this may not have been some attempt to ingratiate himself with his father? We'll soon know because the hero was decent enough not to beat him to death.

I can see 3 examples of misgendering in what you said there.   The murderer has made it perfectly clear their pronouns are they/their as they identify as non-binary.   A fine example of right-wing transphobic bigotry right here.   

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

I can see 3 examples of misgendering in what you said there.   The murderer has made it perfectly clear their pronouns are they/their as they identify as non-binary.   A fine example of right-wing transphobic bigotry right here.   

Hold your fire there sunshine. I didn't know that and you are trolling by making these accusations without a link.

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

I can see 3 examples of misgendering in what you said there.   The murderer has made it perfectly clear their pronouns are they/their as they identify as non-binary.   A fine example of right-wing transphobic bigotry right here.   

Did the murderer really make that "perfectly clear"? The defense mentioned that in court but the only words he said were "Aldrich was barely audible when asked by the judge to confirm identity."

 

I can see an example there of a clear misrepresentation of facts. 

Edited November 24, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[James105]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Hold your fire there sunshine. I didn't know that and you are trolling by making these accusations without a link.

CNN have also been doing some misgendering.   Just another fine example of the hypocrisy of the left I think.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/cnns-alisyn-camerota-stunned-by-anderson-aldrichs-nonbinary-revelation/

 

Kind of ruins the narrative a bit doesn't it?

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, James105 said:

CNN have also been doing some misgendering.   Just another fine example of the hypocrisy of the left I think.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/cnns-alisyn-camerota-stunned-by-anderson-aldrichs-nonbinary-revelation/

 

Kind of ruins the narrative a bit doesn't it?

When you read the story and strip out the few facts, it seems one CNN reporter continued to refer to the suspect as he/him instead of they/them.  Why do you and the NY Post think this is a big deal? 

 

Don't you think this story should focus on the murder of five people and not the pronouns used to refer to the suspect?

Edited November 24, 2022 by heybruce

[Jingthing]

Before this stuff about the shooter maybe being non binary came out I saw the person's picture. My immediate thought was oh my something is up here as it shows a very puffy quite unattractive soft young person. I wondered if this was kind of a queer version of incels in other words perhaps trouble getting laid so lashing out at the community the shooter thinks the shooter deserves to be thirsty for the shooter.

To that I will add mainstream gay male culture in the west is brutally looksist.

Not sure though if the non binary claim is true or not. Could be a cynical defense gambit.

 

Edited November 24, 2022 by Jingthing

[James105]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Before this stuff about the shooter maybe being non binary came out I saw the person's picture. My immediate thought was oh my something is up here as it shows a very puffy quite unattractive soft young person. I wondered if this was kind of a queer version of inc8els in other words perhaps trouble getting laid so lashing out at the community the shooter thinks deserves to be thirsty for the shooter.

To that I will add mainstream gay male culture in the west is brutally looksist.

Not sure though if the non binary claim is true or not. Could be a cynical defense gambit.

 

Defence from what exactly?  Murder?   I'm pretty sure that a right-wing self identifying nazi will be subject to the exact same punishment for this as someone who identifies as "non-binary", which I believe in that state is an entire life sentence behind bars with no parole. 

 

The left are in denial as they wanted to portray this as right-wing homophobic bigotry but once again (just like the incident with that french guy Jessie Smollet) they have been left disappointed that this is not the case and will try and brush this unfortunate incident under the carpet and focus on Jan 6 or something.    

[ozimoron]

My money is on this being a ploy by the public defender to avoid hate crimes charges. We'll see what the evidence produces in the trial.

 

It wouldn't save him from hate crimes charges anyway. He targeted LBGT people.

 

Anderson Lee Aldrich kept an assault-type rifle and a burner phone in a one-bedroom apartment near the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs where he lived with his mother until a couple of months ago, according to Xavier Kraus, a former neighbor in the same apartment hallway.

Kraus, 23, who said he once considered Aldrich a friend, also told The Daily Beast that the 22-year-old suspect in the mass shooting at the LGBTQ club Club Q that killed five people and injured 18 more on Saturday frequently used the word “f****t.”

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anderson-lee-aldrich-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting-suspect-used-anti-gay-slurs-neighbor-says

Edited November 24, 2022 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

Defence from what exactly?  Murder?   I'm pretty sure that a right-wing self identifying nazi will be subject to the exact same punishment for this as someone who identifies as "non-binary", which I believe in that state is an entire life sentence behind bars with no parole. 

 

The left are in denial as they wanted to portray this as right-wing homophobic bigotry but once again (just like the incident with that french guy Jessie Smollet) they have been left disappointed that this is not the case and will try and brush this unfortunate incident under the carpet and focus on Jan 6 or something.    

Total bull.

Nobody wants this brushed under.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My money is on this being a ploy by the public defender to avoid hate crimes charges. We'll see what the evidence produces in the trial.

Well in Colorado that wouldn't add anything to a sentence.

But perhaps a gambit just to muddy the  waters.

Remember defense attorneys only need  one juror to see reasonable doubt.

[pegman]

  Thoughts and Prayers,

   But no one cares.

 

IT'S THE GUNS STUPID!!!

 

[pegman]

55 minutes ago, heybruce said:

When you read the story and strip out the few facts, it seems one CNN reporter continued to refer to the suspect as he/him instead of they/them.  Why do you and the NY Post think this is a big deal? 

 

Don't you think this story should focus on the murder of five people and not the pronouns used to refer to the suspect?

Snowflakes will be snowflakes won't they 

[heybruce]

32 minutes ago, James105 said:

Defence from what exactly?  Murder?   I'm pretty sure that a right-wing self identifying nazi will be subject to the exact same punishment for this as someone who identifies as "non-binary", which I believe in that state is an entire life sentence behind bars with no parole. 

 

The left are in denial as they wanted to portray this as right-wing homophobic bigotry but once again (just like the incident with that french guy Jessie Smollet) they have been left disappointed that this is not the case and will try and brush this unfortunate incident under the carpet and focus on Jan 6 or something.    

Riiiiggghhhttt....The big story here isn't the murder of five people, it's that some people thought this was a gay hate crime.