Popular Post webfact Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 EPA By Frances Mao BBC News Indonesia's parliament has approved a new criminal code that bans anyone in the country from having extramarital sex and restricts political freedoms. Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years. The raft of changes come after a rise in religious conservatism in the Muslim-majority country. Critics see the laws as a "disaster" for human rights, and a potential blow to tourism and investment. Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078 -- © Copyright BBC 2022-12-07 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, webfact said: Critics see the laws as a "disaster" for human rights, and a potential blow to tourism and investment. Agree 100%. Back about 30 years seemed it was better than Thailand for easy girls ( depending on where one was ). For starters, what western unmarried couple will visit now? Edited December 6, 2022 by thaibeachlovers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Scouse123 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 Well done Indonesia on taking the country well and truly back to the Middle ages with the usual suspect, an out of date and backwards 7th century religious policy, not suited for the modern times. Also, prison for anybody who voices an opinion that contradicts the President or the introduction of archaic laws by his out of touch government! 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheFishman1 Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 A Muslim country do I need to say more 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jcmj Posted December 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2022 I guess they only want married couples to visit. We’ll see how this goes. Hope they hit rock bottom soon. This is ridiculous. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory1848 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Medieval indeed. Apart from the chilling effect this will have on the 280 million people who have to live under such a regime, there’s a silver lining for Thai tourism -- any unmarried or same-sex couples (or married couples who simply value their privacy) who may have been considering an Indonesian beach for a holiday may now come here instead. Just like when, for decades, Indonesia (and Malaysia) barred foreign visitors from Israel, greatly boosting Israeli tourist arrivals in Thailand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: what western unmarried couple will visit now? Those that subscribe to the it happens to other people not us brigade. Until.it does? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 Wonder if they would stop child marriages too, or would that effect horny mulsim men too much ? 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AhFarangJa Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, RichardColeman said: Wonder if they would stop child marriages too, or would that effect horny mulsim men too much ? I was thinking along similar lines, but was wondering if it included the sheep, goats, and cattle too. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsxrnz Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 I doubt they have sufficient square meterage of prison space to fully enforce the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 So it's not only Thailand that passes unenforceable laws. How will the authorities catch unmarried people having sex? Hide in the wardrobe? Pathetic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 My experience of hotels in countries where gay sex is banned or really really not approved of is amusing. In Singapore (where gay sex has just been made legal a couple of weeks ago) I approach the front desk with our booking details, my Thai Khmer partner lurking behind. The polite young man behind the desk smiles politely and looks fixedly at his computer. After a couple of coughs he asks: "Will that be one bed or two, sir?" I reply: "One bed. Kingsize as booked." "Very well, sir". And off we go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: So it's not only Thailand that passes unenforceable laws. How will the authorities catch unmarried people having sex? Hide in the wardrobe? Pathetic. Same way as Saudi does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, AhFarangJa said: I was thinking along similar lines, but was wondering if it included the sheep, goats, and cattle too. Asking for a friend ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 There are plenty of wives banning it inside marriage as well 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Agree 100%. Back about 30 years seemed it was better than Thailand for easy girls ( depending on where one was ). For starters, what western unmarried couple will visit now? It won't affect tourist couples because police will only act on a complaint to them from a relative of the couple, so it's unlikely to affect anybody at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, soalbundy said: It won't affect tourist couples because police will only act on a complaint to them from a relative of the couple, so it's unlikely to affect anybody at all. Bali will be the tester for that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JayBird Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TheFishman1 said: A Muslim country do I need to say more Technically, a country that uses the cloak of Islam to execute it's own agenda. Leaders using religion as an excuse is as old as religion itself. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TheFishman1 said: A Muslim country do I need to say more Well, you could say that this is similar to the law in the Phillippines where sex between unmarried partners is illegal under the Revised Penal Code of the Philippines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JayBird Posted December 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2022 Keep in mind, a lot of these laws are meant to only be used to go after people the state does not like. It's not as if they care if the couple are married. But if they want to punish someone they don't like, they got one more tool. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack7106 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 You could not pay me to go to Indonesia. Tourists who do – get what they deserve.. Why go to a predominantly Muslim country that takes great pleasure in bombing Westerners????♂️???????????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: 1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said: So it's not only Thailand that passes unenforceable laws. How will the authorities catch unmarried people having sex? Hide in the wardrobe? Pathetic. Same way as Saudi does. Which is? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 This could benefit Thailand in a big way if strictly enforced. Malaysia has a similar law called Khalwat but it doesn't seem to bother them much. Section 115. Khalwat.(1) Any male person who is found in retirement with and in suspicious proximity to any woman (whether or not professing the Muslim Religion) other than his wife or a woman whom by reason of consanguinity or affinity or fosterage he is forbidden by Muslim Law to marry, shall be guilty of Khalwat and shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four months or to a fine exceeding two hundred dollars or, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding four hundred dollars.(2) Any female person who is found in retirement with and in suspicious proximity to any man (whether or not professing the Muslim Religion) other than her husband or a man whom by reason of consanguinity or affinity or fosterage she is forbidden by Muslim Law to marry, shall be guilty of an offence and be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding four months or to a fine not exceeding two hundred dollars or, in the case of a second or subsequent offence, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding four hundred dollars. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey and the Bandit Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, mrfill said: Well, you could say that this is similar to the law in the Phillippines where sex between unmarried partners is illegal under the Revised Penal Code of the Philippines. Do you happen to have the relevant law to share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Theory Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Another rise of "dictatorship". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhFarangJa Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, soalbundy said: Asking for a friend ? .To be honest I have given up on the camels and goats as I have got older. The main reason is that all the good looking ones are younger and can out run me... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said: Which is? I'm curious. Mutawa Edited December 7, 2022 by thaibeachlovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymike100 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 As a Muslim country Indonesia was very moderate. The women do not have to cover their hair or wear a hijab, they have Christian churches, alcohol is freely available, you can buy pork products, they have 'mens' clubs etc. Now having said that this is definitely a backward step. However I dont think it will have any effect on tourism, we will have to wait and see? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Mutawa Who they are doesn't answer the point I made, which is how they would catch anyone having sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said: Who they are doesn't answer the point I made, which is how they would catch anyone having sex. Being found, or booked, in a room together is probably all the religious police require to start swinging their rattan batons and locking people up. The evidentiary rule of law doesn't apply in these countries. Edited December 7, 2022 by Old Croc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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