Taliban suspend university education for women in Afghanistan

[mikebike]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They were freedom fighters back then when they were fighting against Russia  , back when the USA funded them , only became terrorists when they tried to get the USA to leave 

So let me get this straight. 

 

The exact same group of people, with the exact same ideology, can be both terrorist AND freedom fighters depending on your perception of the ideology of the country they are fighting. 

 

Yeah, right, that makes perfect sense. ????

Edited December 21, 2022 by mikebike

[Social Media]

The prime minister has said "the world is watching" the Taliban after women in Afghanistan were ordered to stop attending university until further notice.

Taliban security forces in Kabul have been enforcing the higher education ban for women by blocking their access to universities, with a video showing women weeping and consoling each other outside a campus in the capital.

[Mac Mickmanus]

55 minutes ago, mikebike said:

So let me get this straight. 

 

The exact same group of people, with the exact same ideology, can be both terrorist AND freedom fighters depending on your perception of the ideology of the country they are fighting. 

 

Yeah, right, that makes perfect sense. ????

Yes, the Mujahedeen were freedom fighters (against the USSR) in Afghanistan and they morphed in the Taliban who are now terrorists (because they are fighting against the USA rather than the USSR ) 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, giddyup said:

The thousands who have died, both Afghanis and Allied troops, for what? Just to go back to the dark ages.

Given that there was IMO no real reason for the allied troops to be there once al qeda was destroyed there, it was IMO a waste of allied lives.

Making it safe for Afghan girls to go to school is IMO not a valid reason for a single allied soldier to die.

History tells us that it has never been a place for outsiders to succeed.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Black Ops said:

The prime minister has said "the world is watching"

Indeed, but watching is about as far as any influence an outside government has on the taliban, IMO. They can impose sanctions, which don't make any difference to the girls, but short of re invading, what else can they do, except watch?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Sorry Mac but the Taliban attacked the military and government of Afghanistan, so you actually think that they are

a legal government of that country? You sure do not seem to be to up to date on the recent history of that country.

IMO.  

Legal or not, they are the government.

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Germany are part of the western World  , I did mean other Countries that are not part of the Western World

So there’s some imaginary border, not nation, within which nations can ‘dictate to each other’, outwith which they must not?

 

Where’s this border, where’s the dictating?

 

 

Edited December 22, 2022 by Chomper Higgot

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, riclag said:

That country rules by religion and thats that! The religion has rules for women! Globalist are held bent on changing this lol

They want to live in the stone age , so be it.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-report-on-international-religious-freedom/afghanistan

It's not even "proper" Islam, but a version of it. Even Saudi ( the birth place of Islam ) allows women to be educated, and become doctors.

[BritManToo]

9 hours ago, Stargeezr said:

Sorry Mac but the Taliban attacked the military and government of Afghanistan, so you actually think that they are

a legal government of that country? You sure do not seem to be to up to date on the recent history of that country.

IMO.  

The Taliban government is as legal as the Thai government.

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

History tells us that it has never been a place for outsiders to succeed.

If it wasn't so profitable people would actually learn and respect history.

 

Every conquering force from the outside, every regime change from the outside, has ended in disaster and the indigenous folks always regain their independence in the end ... unless of course, you annihilate them completely.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

If it wasn't so profitable people would actually learn and respect history.

 

Every conquering force from the outside, every regime change from the outside, has ended in disaster and the indigenous folks always regain their independence in the end ... unless of course, you annihilate them completely.

I assume you are talking about Afghanistan. There are many successful invasions in history. Britain is an example of that, with the Saxon majority being absorbed into a society run by the Normans.

[Venom]

The result of 20 years of occupation and a trillion dollars in debt. What a racket.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Venom said:

The result of 20 years of occupation and a trillion dollars in debt. What a racket.

Human rights especially for women went right down during the Russian war in Afghanistan, terrible right.

[The Theory]

People of Afghanistan are victims of either barbaric Islamic or corrupted Islamic republic. 
 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by The Theory

[Venom]

On 12/22/2022 at 7:03 PM, Bkk Brian said:

Human rights especially for women went right down during the Russian war in Afghanistan, terrible right.

...and the Taliban were freedom fighters. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Venom said:

...and the Taliban were freedom fighters. 

Originating from northern Pakistan. It is believed that the predominantly Pashtun movement first appeared in religious seminaries - mostly paid for by money from Saudi Arabia - which preached a hardline form of Sunni Islam.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, Venom said:

...and the Taliban were freedom fighters. 

The Taliban initially were the good guys , fighting against warlords and criminals and imposing some kind of order in Afghanistan with socal programmes  

[GinBoy2]

This is all horribly complicated.

 

The US and the West didn't create this, it's internal, the same way no one enabled the Germans to fall for the cult of Nazism. 

The very fact that after the US withdrawal the Government fell so quickly tells you something.

 

Within the Afghan people there must be some underlying desire for this.

 

We focus on cities like Kabul, but the majority of Afghans live in rural areas and in truth we have no idea what they want.

 

I think it's abhorrent, but we tried for 20 years and trillions of Dollars to give them a better society and failed.

 

So now, it's up to them  

[Bkk Brian]

Their early popularity was largely due to their success in stamping out corruption, curbing lawlessness and making the roads and the areas under their control safe for commerce to flourish.

But the Taliban also introduced or supported punishments in line with their strict interpretation of Sharia law - such as public executions of convicted murderers and adulterers, as well as amputations for those found guilty of theft. Men were required to grow beards and women had to wear the all-covering burka.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11451718

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Venom said:

...and the Taliban were freedom fighters. 

Propaganda BS. They were fighting the Russians for independence, not to liberate women.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

We focus on cities like Kabul, but the majority of Afghans live in rural areas and in truth we have no idea what they want.

 

I think it's abhorrent, but we tried for 20 years and trillions of Dollars to give them a better society and failed.

We do know what rural Afghans want and it's not to be like us.

 

Which only goes to show that western people have no right to try and impose our way of life on other societies.

Any competent Afghan expert could have told western leaders the truth, but  western leaders had an agenda obviously doomed to fail, short of keeping troops there for ever.

 

BTW who are we to say we are a "better society"?

Our civilization is IMO rotten, and obsessed with greed and hatred.

[thaibeachlovers]

Heard/ seen on Al Jazeera this morning:

Women banned from NGOs.

Women protesting in one of the cities were herded into a narrow street where they were attacked by water cannon and beaten.

 

All the past occupation by western troops has done IMO was to give Afghan women false hope of being free to pursue education and a career.

Should have left once al qaida was destroyed there.

[Saanim]

On 12/21/2022 at 10:36 PM, Bkk Brian said:

You said Western countries should leave other countries alone, I gave you an example of Russia invading. As for the freedom fighters:

 

1979 December Russia entered Afghanistan to re-establish a government closer to its desires.

The subsequent 10 year war has been described as ‘Russia’s Vietnam’, with the country sending in thousands of troops, spending millions, and ultimately retreating.

The war helped create the terrorist and extremist groups that are still in place today.

You are twisting the facts.  As long as Afghan rulers had been supported by the Soviets (in 1960s) - without any interference - the life for the population was not so bad.

Here's one 1st-hand account of daughter of US professor who was invited to teach in Afghanistan in late 1960s, bringing his family to stay there with him:

https://www.denverpost.com/2013/01/28/afghanistan-1960s-photos-bill-podlich/

 

(see the car brands on the roads)

 

That had dramatically changed in 1970's. And that not because of Soviet invasion invoked on Afghan ruler's request, after a long reluctance of the old man Brezhnev to send the armies. 

 

And why they were asked to come? That can be learned from the book of another old man The Grand Chessboard...   

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Saanim said:

You are twisting the facts.  As long as Afghan rulers had been supported by the Soviets (in 1960s) - without any interference - the life for the population was not so bad.

Here's one 1st-hand account of daughter of US professor who was invited to teach in Afghanistan in late 1960s, bringing his family to stay there with him:

https://www.denverpost.com/2013/01/28/afghanistan-1960s-photos-bill-podlich/

 

(see the car brands on the roads)

 

That had dramatically changed in 1970's. And that not because of Soviet invasion invoked on Afghan ruler's request, after a long reluctance of the old man Brezhnev to send the armies. 

 

And why they were asked to come? That can be learned from the book of another old man The Grand Chessboard...   

I provided a link to an article, describe to me where I was twisting the facts?

[Chomper Higgot]

On 12/22/2022 at 9:04 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I assume you are talking about Afghanistan. There are many successful invasions in history. Britain is an example of that, with the Saxon majority being absorbed into a society run by the Normans.

I suggest you re-visit the history of the Norman invasion, particularly the scorched earth campaign in the North.

 

Then take a look at how many amongst the UK’s upper class elites are direct descendants of the Normans v Anglo Saxons.

[JayClay]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW who are we to say we are a "better society"?

Our civilization is IMO rotten, and obsessed with greed and hatred.

Yes you could certainly argue that "our" society is rotten when it apparently contains people who support a government's "right" to suppress women.

Edited December 25, 2022 by JayClay
bad grammar day

[Neeranam]

On 12/21/2022 at 7:02 AM, Black Ops said:

 

Did the Taliban get involved with the USA during slavery or when black people weren't allowed to vote? Live and let live. 

[Neeranam]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW who are we to say we are a "better society"?

Our civilization is IMO rotten, and obsessed with greed and hatred.

I agree, they have a better life.