Potential change to TM30 enforcement

[SymS]

I thought I did not need to update my TM30 when going back to my house from other province in Thailand, but my online 90-day report has been rejected because the address in the last TM30 and the address in the 90-day report do not match.

 

I basically stay in two houses in different provinces. I always do the 90-day report with the address used in my yellow book, and the TM30 was registered to the second house. I do not update it each time I come back in the "yellow book" house because I thought it was not needed. The person in charge of the 90-day report informed me to contact the TM30 office to update it. I've just done it online, and resubmitted the application for the 90-day report. I'll see how it goes. This is with the Chiang Mai immigration office.

 

[SymS]

I got rejected again. I think it's because I applied on Sunday, but on Monday I had to move the other house, updated the TM30, and the officer only checked on Wednesday, so the address would differ again... I'll have to go to the immigration office to submit my 90-day report.

It looks like you can't travel out of province until your 90-day report is approved.

[DrJack54]

On 2/5/2023 at 2:42 PM, SymS said:

I always do the 90-day report with the address used in my yellow book, and the TM30 was registered to the second house. I do not update it each time I come back in the "yellow book" house because I thought it was not needed.

And you are surprised it was rejected?

Select an address where you live and deal with immigration for things such as your annual extension and 90 day reports.

Your "secondary" address is irrelevant. 

[steve187]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

And you are surprised it was rejected?

Select an address where you live and deal with immigration for things such as your annual extension and 90 day reports.

Your "secondary" address is irrelevant. 

I agree, op you told them  on a tm30 you were living at a different address, - why? and then was refused when using the 1st address for the 90 day

[SymS]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

And you are surprised it was rejected?

Select an address where you live and deal with immigration for things such as your annual extension and 90 day reports.

Your "secondary" address is irrelevant. 

Yes because it's been working for over one year, and users on this forum keep telling people they don't need to report TM30 when they go back to their house after leaving the province. But that's wrong, and now if somebody goes out of their province, their need to update their TM30 when going back, or there will be a discrepancy between the address in the TM30 and the 90-day report, and online reporting will be rejected.

[hotandsticky]

This topic title (and some comment) is misleading.

 

You DO NOT have to do a TM30 if returning to your registered address from out of province/country.

[SymS]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

This topic title (and some comment) is misleading.

 

You DO NOT have to do a TM30 if returning to your registered address from out of province/country.

You don't have to, but if you don't, 90-day online reporting is not an option anymore because the addresses won't match.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, SymS said:

You don't have to, but if you don't, 90-day online reporting is not an option anymore because the addresses won't match.

 

Yes it will, I do it all the time.

[SymS]

Just now, hotandsticky said:

 

Yes it will, I do it all the time.

I did it all the time too, and I've been here over 12 years, but it's not working anymore. They are cross-checking the addresses between the TM30 and 90-day reporting.

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, SymS said:

I did it all the time too, and I've been here over 12 years, but it's not working anymore. They are cross-checking the addresses between the TM30 and 90-day reporting.

 

Mine worked two weeks ago and I had been to 5 different provinces in between reports. Your core TM30 address is unaffected by short term visits elsewhere.

[SymS]

Interesting... My online application just got approved with the address in "house 2". It's the very first time I do the 90-day report with that address, so I thought it would not work. Next time, I'll just apply from whatever place I am at the time of application.

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, SymS said:

I'll just apply from whatever place I am at the time of application.

In which case you'll probably be doomed to failure sooner or later if using the online system. You simply can't pick and choose the address you decide to use. Just stick to using a single address for both TM30 and TM47 purposes and be done with it!

 

[SymS]

2 minutes ago, OJAS said:

In which case you'll probably be doomed to failure sooner or later if using the online system. You simply can't pick and choose the address you decide to use. Just stick to using a single address for both TM30 and TM47 purposes and be done with it!

 

I had already picked Chiang Mai as my base, because I'm on the yellow tabian baan and I work there. But obviously that does not work anymore. Doing  what you suggest would break the law. Because If I pick an address, and then move to the other house temporarily (sometimes it means up to one month, sometimes just 2 days), I would need to fill the TM30 to comply with immigration regulations. I'll just update the TM30 continuously wherever I go. I can do that online for either place even though the website is not super user-friendly.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, SymS said:

I had already picked Chiang Mai as my base, because I'm on the yellow tabian baan and I work there. But obviously that does not work anymore. Doing  what you suggest would break the law. Because If I pick an address, and then move to the other house temporarily (sometimes it means up to one month, sometimes just 2 days), I would need to fill the TM30 to comply with immigration regulations. I'll just update the TM30 continuously wherever I go. I can do that online for either place even though the website is not super user-friendly.

 

 

I have similar, a house in Buriram and a condo in Jomtein (where I spend most of my time).

 

 

I choose to deal with Jomtein Immigration so my TM30 is set on the condo and I do my extensions etc at the local immigration office. If I visit the house in Buriram my missus does not submit a TM30  -  absolutely pointless..

 

 

Could not be more simple than that.

[SymS]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I have similar, a house in Buriram and a condo in Jomtein (where I spend most of my time).

 

 

I choose to deal with Jomtein Immigration so my TM30 is set on the condo and I do my extensions etc at the local immigration office. If I visit the house in Buriram my missus does not submit a TM30  -  absolutely pointless..

 

 

Could not be more simple than that.

Sorry, I don't like that method because it's illegal. If immigration decides to check whether people stay where they say they stay, or if some other problem occurs, I could get into troubles.

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I have similar, a house in Buriram and a condo in Jomtein (where I spend most of my time).

 

 

I choose to deal with Jomtein Immigration so my TM30 is set on the condo and I do my extensions etc at the local immigration office. If I visit the house in Buriram my missus does not submit a TM30  -  absolutely pointless..

 

 

Could not be more simple than that.

What you outline is exactly the way to deal with immigration regarding TM30, extension, reports etc.

 

The OP is completely confused and incorrect in his understanding of TM30 requirements.

 

No more point of this thread. 

Edited February 9, 2023 by DrJack54

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, SymS said:

Sorry, I don't like that method because it's illegal. If immigration decides to check whether people stay where they say they stay, or if some other problem occurs, I could get into troubles.

Completely incorrect. 

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, SymS said:

Sorry, I don't like that method because it's illegal. If immigration decides to check whether people stay where they say they stay, or if some other problem occurs, I could get into troubles.

Absolute rubbish!

 

 

Do it your way -but stop whining on internet forums.

[BritTim]

Actually, the OP is correct about the letter of the law on notification of foreigners residing in your property. According to the actual law, notification within 24 hours is a requirement.

 

However, to the OP: this is Thailand, and the law as it is expected to be followed differs from the law as it is written. The experienced posters on here are correct that Immigration expects you to ignore the plain language of the law in this case.

[Tarteso]

 

For years, I have always reported online without problems, until a hotel reported a different address from my home for two nights.

 

Now I am on the coast of Rayong and The last online report was rejected after several attempts and I had to return to Chiang Mai Immigration to report it in person.. Without problem.  I will be on the coast for a couple more months and I guess I will have to return ONLY to report 90 days because online it will be denied again.  BTW, the official informed me that my data on the web goes one way and those of the office… on the other.
 

 What madness!

Edited February 9, 2023 by Tarteso

[DrJack54]

11 minutes ago, Tarteso said:

Now I am on the coast of Rayong and The last online report was rejected after several attempts and I had to return to Chiang Mai Immigration to report it in person

Your issues is immigration office specific.

CM has opted to not follow the new rules regarding TM30 that was changed in June 2020. 

That is an issue for CM folk.

There are also few (very few) immigration offices that are rogue same as CM .

 

Here is new rule 2.2 

2.2 After the house holder, owner or possessor of the premise of hotel

 

manager has reported as defined in Article 2.1, the same alien has left the premise and

 

returned for another stay within the valid period, the house holder, owner or possessor

 

of the premise of hotel manager do not need to make another report;

 

The alien as defined in paragraph one shall include those who

 

being granted multiple-visa who leaves and returns to the Kingdom with specified

 

time in the visa, and those with re-entry permit

Edited February 9, 2023 by DrJack54

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, OJAS said:

Just stick to using a single address for both TM30 and TM47 purposes and be done with it!

Make sure which ever one you decide to use aligns with your TM7 submission when you do your annual extension.

[SymS]

58 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Your issues is immigration office specific.

CM has opted to not follow the new rules regarding TM30 that was changed in June 2020. 

 

My issue was with the Chiang Mai office as well... So that explains it. It took them one year to pick the discrepancies...

[SymS]

46 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Make sure which ever one you decide to use aligns with your TM7 submission when you do your annual extension.

I don't think my company uses my residential address to extend my visa and work permit, or maybe I remember wrong. But anyway, my TM30 will be updated at the time of application. They did not check the TM30 at all the last time (almost 2 years ago).