Russians 'fleeing' to Thailand to escape war, airfare price-gouging : Tim Newton Today - Feb 27

[Jingthing]

48 minutes ago, kwonitoy said:

 

 

https://reason.com/2022/09/21/russians-are-fleeing-the-threat-of-conscription/

Thank you.

People should read that.

It well counters the blatant pro Russian war propaganda that was posted here.

[Jingthing]

Younger people that can, flee.

When you're 82, you don't flee, but in some cases you don't fear the severe laws against opposition speech anymore:

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Letseng said:

Being drafted in as cannon fodder.

I get that, but I've asked a few times and got no answer as to how they can expect to stay in LOS long time if not qualifying on retirement. Is there some special long stay visa for Russians escaping the draft?

[ozimoron]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I get that, but I've asked a few times and got no answer as to how they can expect to stay in LOS long time if not qualifying on retirement. Is there some special long stay visa for Russians escaping the draft?

I don't believe so. It seems to be a mixture of ED visas, elite visas, border runs and overstays.

[sletraveler]

19 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Fleeing to Thailand - so funny. They are coming on holiday as they always have. There is no war on Russian soil - fleeing from what? 

The draft.  

[ozimoron]

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-military-reorganization-expansion/32190811.html

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, sletraveler said:

The draft.  

It can get a bit windy in Russia at this time of year 

[BobBKK]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You said draft dodging wasn't a thing. 

Of course it's a thing.

In Ukraine they are conscripting by FORCE no men between the ages of 16 and 60 are allowed to leave. They take them off the streets. ALL opposition political parties are banned - that doesn't concern you? 

Edited February 28, 2023 by BobBKK

[BobBKK]

4 hours ago, sletraveler said:

The draft.  

The war is a nightmare but we need much more data before you all assume thousands are coming to Thailand. I see far more Chinese than Russians here.

Edited February 28, 2023 by BobBKK

[Harveyboy]

23 hours ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Russian's bringing a lot of capital to the country, finally getting some wealth thrown around instead of broke Brits or Europeans.

Hey that's not fair..I'm a broke European because I gave all my money to Charity ..well I think that was her name ..Soi 6 

[BobBKK]

7 hours ago, ArturGorbachev said:

it was a thing 5 months ago and has nothing to do with today amount of russian tourists in thailand, there is no draft at this moment. i am not going to argue with you anymore, believe what you want to believe.

I think this is sensible I'm going to stop too - they don't want any alternative view or debate - closed minds to truth. My last comment on this thread. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

In Ukraine they are conscripting by FORCE no men between the ages of 16 and 60 are allowed to leave. They take them off the streets. ALL opposition political parties are banned - that doesn't concern you? 

This isn't about Ukranine conscription and no, you're wrong again, they do allow conscription age men to leave if they have children to look after.

 

Male Ukrainian nationals can cross the border if they are financially supporting three or more children under the age of 18, are single fathers of children under 18, or have children or are guardians of children with disabilities

 

"All" opposition parties are not banned either, those that have been banned are pro-Russian political parties that engage in anti-Ukrainian activities

 

Time for you to start substantiating your posts because you're spreading false info.

 

[Scott]

A post making an unsubstantiated claim, a graphic and no link has been removed for a 2nd time.  Continue and face a suspension.

 

[BobBKK]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

This isn't about Ukranine conscription and no, you're wrong again, they do allow conscription age men to leave if they have children to look after.

 

Male Ukrainian nationals can cross the border if they are financially supporting three or more children under the age of 18, are single fathers of children under 18, or have children or are guardians of children with disabilities

 

"All" opposition parties are not banned either, those that have been banned are pro-Russian political parties that engage in anti-Ukrainian activities

 

Time for you to start substantiating your posts because you're spreading false info.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-invasion-ukraine-bans-male-citizens-leaving/6936471001/

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/02/25/russia-invasion-ukraine-bans-male-citizens-leaving/6936471001/

Like I said

 

Direct from a Ukrainian gov and charity website:

 

In addition, the restrictions do not apply to people:

who has three or more children under the age of 18, or who are raising a child (children) under the age of 18 on their own, or who has a child with a disability.

 

https://dopomoha.org.ua/en/exceptions-to-the-restriction-which-prohibits-men-to-leave-the-territory-of-ukraine

[BobBKK]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Like I said

 

Direct from a Ukrainian gov and charity website:

 

In addition, the restrictions do not apply to people:

who has three or more children under the age of 18, or who are raising a child (children) under the age of 18 on their own, or who has a child with a disability.

 

https://dopomoha.org.ua/en/exceptions-to-the-restriction-which-prohibits-men-to-leave-the-territory-of-ukraine

and what?  it changes nothing they are barred from leaving - no more comment from me - you are blind and incapable of seeing. Goodbye.

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

and what?  it changes nothing they are barred from leaving - no more comment from me - you are blind and incapable of seeing. Goodbye.

What do you mean and what.....lol

 

It proves your claim:

 

"In Ukraine they are conscripting by FORCE no men between the ages of 16 and 60 are allowed to leave. They take them off the streets"

 

Is false that's what.

 

Exceptions: when a man can leave Ukraine under martial law

- who raise three or more children under the age of 18;

- who raise a child (children) under the age of 18 on their own;

- dependent on a child with a disability under the age of 18 or an adult child who is a person with a disability of the I or II group, until he/she reaches 23 years of age;

- adoptive parents, guardians, trustees, foster parents, who are dependent on orphans or children deprived of parental care under the age of 18;

- engaged in constant care for persons in need, in the absence of other persons who can provide such care;

- who left for other states for permanent residence, which is documented accordingly;

- applicants for professional higher and higher education, trainee assistants, graduate students and doctoral students studying abroad in full-time or dual forms of education (students, listeners).

https://visitukraine.today/blog/102/exceptions-when-a-man-can-leave-ukraine-under-martial-law

Edited February 28, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[malibukid]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Stop lying.

 

 

the woman are cold and the men are drunks.

[3NUMBAS]

WELL  healed muscowvites can flee but the poor masses cant  fares are to costly to flee

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-speech-flight-prices-29269772

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-speech-flight-prices-29269772

[3NUMBAS]

[3NUMBAS]

On 2/27/2023 at 2:38 AM, BobBKK said:

Fleeing to Thailand - so funny. They are coming on holiday as they always have. There is no war on Russian soil - fleeing from what? 

fleeing from pootins assassination squads.lots of folks are falling off balconies in moscow by unknown felons

[3NUMBAS]

8 hours ago, malibukid said:

the woman are cold and the men are drunks.

russian women in athens are pretty hot but as you say men are all drunks on cheap vodak

[3NUMBAS]

8 hours ago, malibukid said:

the woman are cold and the men are drunks.

Ukraine war 'hitting Russian birth rate' as invasion's first anniversary looms

Western officials gave a revealing insight into how the conflict is having an impact on Russia, almost 12 months since Vladimir Putin ordered Russian troops across the border

 

 

Western officials delivered a scathing

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Kremlin tyrant Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has triggered a fall in Russia’s birth rate, Western officials revealed today.

With young Russian men fighting and dying in the war - and other families fleeing their homeland to avoid being dragged into the conflict - the impact on the nation’s future is already unfolding, sources said.

“Our expectation is that we are going to see some really serious social decline,” said officials.

“Very large numbers of young, educated Russians have fled the country; there are already some early figures coming in showing significant declines in the birth rate.

“We are seeing an increase in violent crime, repression continues to increase (and) propaganda continues to intensify.”

They added: “A huge shadow hangs over Russia’s present and its future.”

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ukraine-war-hitting-russian-birth-29234714

Edited February 28, 2023 by 3NUMBAS

[oMega69]

On 2/27/2023 at 10:01 AM, BobBKK said:

Oh really thousands of Russians are getting ED visas are they?

Yes!. you can confirm it with any school around Phuket.

[BobBKK]

17 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

fleeing from pootins assassination squads.lots of folks are falling off balconies in moscow by unknown felons

Data? sources? links?  that kind of thing?  and no one falls of balconies here of course. So uninformed - been to Moscow much have you? (yes I have and worked there).

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putin-official-dies-balcony-fall-29234285

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

On 2/27/2023 at 10:03 AM, ezzra said:

How can one tyrant with a Napoleonic madness of grandeur ruin the lives of so many millions of people who doesn't really care about having Ukraine or Carmia nor any other part of the world as part or greater Russia?

Well just over 200 years ago Napoleon did the same thing to Western Europe...

[herfiehandbag]

On 2/27/2023 at 3:02 PM, Jingthing said:

Sure thing matey.

 

 

Well, I suppose there is something about their narrative presentation - after all, newsreel video showed that they are still, a century on, using Mosin rifles and PPSH sub machine guns...

[observer90210]

Definately one would not mind the new blonde hotties in the russian (health) massage parlours that would surge all over Bangkok !! ????

Edited March 1, 2023 by observer90210