The Fugitive Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: If you wish to continue pre dating, the first recorded British landings at Falklands were actually in 1690. At that time they were uninhibited. Sightings (discovery) early 16th Century by the Portuguese. Everyone mentioned is European. The Falkland Islands are not in Europe. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, The Fugitive said: Sightings (discovery) early 16th Century by the Portuguese. Everyone mentioned is European. The Falkland Islands are not in Europe. Nor was America before the Europeans took it..... Please don't tell me you are from the USA...............???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 11 minutes ago, transam said: Tell me the "Special relationships" Argentina had, as you seem to know all about it....... Many Italians and Germans live in Argentina. Economic ties with Brasil but every Brasilian I've spoken to can't stand Argentina! Spoke to an ex-soldier in a cafe in Buenos Aires who showed me a curved razor blade he kept in a locket around his neck. He told me this came out of one of our bombs, slicing his chest open. The good part was that was the end of the Falklands War for him. He held up an electric drill saying; 'This is my gun now'. I asked him if another war was possible? He seemed certain it would never happen again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said: Show us then. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past Very interesting. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isaanistical Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 19 hours ago, youreavinalaff said: I think you'll find it's because the Falkland Islanders are British citizens. They voted to remain as such by way of self determination Like the Chagos, you mean? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, bendejo said: Does UK still have that thing with Nepal about Gurkha soldiers fighting for the Crown? Stories were that when the Argie troops spotted them during the war in the 1980s they sh_t their pants and ran away, such is their reputation. I lived in Arg a bit in the '00 decade. At least once a week there was something in the newspapers regarding the war (20 years past at the time): a monument, a speech assuring mothers their sons did not die in vain, a movie, even a new holiday. So yeah, it's 40 years now and still festering. The conventional wisdom at the time was Arg started the war to distract the citizens from the economic problems. Now, it looks like they see weakness within UK, and are acting on it. Kind of ironic that this time it could be the Brits getting the distraction advantage from the confrontation. Do you have link to show that Argentine soldiers sh t their pants when they saw Gurkhas on the Falkland islands , any video evidence ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: Many Italians and Germans live in Argentina. Economic ties with Brasil but every Brasilian I've spoken to can't stand Argentina! Spoke to an ex-soldier in a cafe in Buenos Aires who showed me a curved razor blade he kept in a locket around his neck. He told me this came out of one of our bombs, slicing his chest open. The good part was that was the end of the Falklands War for him. He held up an electric drill saying; 'This is my gun now'. I asked him if another war was possible? He seemed certain it would never happen again. Story time................."Out of one of our bombs"...........................???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past The Guardian, whoda thought...............???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, transam said: The Guardian, whoda thought...............???? Yep, the Guardian referencing the official history of the Falklands by Sir Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies at King's College, University of London. Not the kind of thing you’ll read in the UK’s gutter press. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Yep, the Guardian referencing the official history of the Falklands by Sir Lawrence Freedman, professor of war studies at King's College, University of London. Not the kind of thing you’ll read in the UK’s gutter press. The Guardian is the gutter press, as you well know, caters for the anti-brigade.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Seppius said: One of the most up-to-date carriers in the world, and another on the way. HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales The key numbers: The project to build HMS Queen Elizabeth and sister ship HMS Prince of Wales cost more than £6bn. The aircraft carrier weighs 65,000 tonnes and has a top speed of 25 knots. She can carry up to 72 aircraft, with a maximum capacity of 36 F-35B fighter jets. It is more likely the Queen Elizabeth-class carriers will have up to 24 Lightning jets on board for operations, however. Her flight deck is 280m long and 70m wide – enough space for three football pitches. The ship is the second in the Royal Navy to be named Queen Elizabeth. The ship has a crew of about 700, increasing to 1,600 when a full complement of F-35B jets and Crowsnest helicopters are embarked. There are 364,000m of pipes inside the ship. Both HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales will keep 45 days' worth of food in their stores. The entire ship's company of 700 can be served a meal within 90 minutes – 45 minutes when at action stations. https://www.forces.net/news/hms-queen-elizabeth-all-you-need-know-about-britains-aircraft-carrier Lets hope we get to 24 F-35 in time. They've reordered the one we lost last year off the Carrier. Hopefully, if there is a next time, we'll reinforce RAF Stanley and deploy to the Ascension Islands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 3:13 PM, richard_smith237 said: Well... to be fair, If Argentina owned the Shetland Islands, many would see a very fair claim from Scotland, particularly if Scotland has always historically laid claim. To the independent observer it would only seem fair that the Islands are returned to Argentina. Obviously there is a ‘human’ side to this thus a prolonged handover would seem reasonable. OR... We just go to war again over a ‘fishing island’ with no other resources, half the size of wales with the population of a village some 13,000 km away... 27x further than the Patagonian mainland. Falklands were British before Argentina even existed, their claims are groundless and the population want to remain British. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 21 minutes ago, transam said: The Guardian, whoda thought...............???? Always on the wrong side, disgusting lefty traitors, hand wringers and supporters of all wrong causes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 2:31 PM, The Fugitive said: Population of The Falkland Islands voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. Anyway, it doesn't matter even if UK had no Navy. NATO has to back-up any member nation if invaded. The French helped out with a few Exocet missiles last time....????. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 4:37 PM, Jingthing said: That's debateable. Pearl Harbour comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jun/28/falklands.past That is one government. Not successive. Also, as I pointed out earlier, your original post didn't give the full story. I believe, with no proof to back your claim, your original post is an unsubstantiated. Edited March 5, 2023 by youreavinalaff 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Seppius said: One of the most up-to-date carriers in the world, and another on the way. HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales The key numbers: The project to build HMS Queen Elizabeth and sister ship HMS Prince of Wales cost more than £6bn. The aircraft carrier weighs 65,000 tonnes and has a top speed of 25 knots. She can carry up to 72 aircraft, with a maximum capacity of 36 F-35B fighter jets. It is more likely the Queen Elizabeth-class carriers will have up to 24 Lightning jets on board for operations, however. Her flight deck is 280m long and 70m wide – enough space for three football pitches. The ship is the second in the Royal Navy to be named Queen Elizabeth. The ship has a crew of about 700, increasing to 1,600 when a full complement of F-35B jets and Crowsnest helicopters are embarked. There are 364,000m of pipes inside the ship. Both HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales will keep 45 days' worth of food in their stores. The entire ship's company of 700 can be served a meal within 90 minutes – 45 minutes when at action stations. https://www.forces.net/news/hms-queen-elizabeth-all-you-need-know-about-britains-aircraft-carrier And how many Exocet, or it's modern equivalent strikes would it take before sinking? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/3/2023 at 3:31 PM, norfolkandchance said: Why should the UK hand over the Islands with all its natural and mineral resources ? Examples please. And how does UK get that stuff back home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, zyphodb said: And how many Exocet, or it's modern equivalent strikes would it take before sinking? Same for any ship, but I would assume the tech has moved on a tad....???? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 51 minutes ago, isaanistical said: Like the Chagos, you mean? No. Very different from Chagos, which were inhabited by indigenous people. That part of British history is not a proud moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, KannikaP said: Examples please. And how does UK get that stuff back home? They sell it to the Argies.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted March 5, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, The Fugitive said: Colonialism = Stealing. So a bit like Hawaii, Puerto Rica and Alaska then? Edited March 5, 2023 by herfiehandbag 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, transam said: Same for any ship, but I would assume the tech has moved on a tad....???? That's the point, big ships are far too easily destroyed to be very useful in modern times... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youreavinalaff Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fugitive said: Sightings (discovery) early 16th Century by the Portuguese. Everyone mentioned is European. The Falkland Islands are not in Europe. 1690 was not in 16th century 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Just now, zyphodb said: That's the point, big ships are far too easily destroyed to be very useful in modern times... Weeeell, we must have them for the ariel stuff, and the tech to take care of them.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 48 minutes ago, transam said: The Guardian is the gutter press, as you well know, caters for the anti-brigade.... It is now, was slightly more truthful back in the 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, KannikaP said: Examples please. And how does UK get that stuff back home? I don't get paid by Google do it yourselve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolkandchance Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 7 minutes ago, zyphodb said: That's the point, big ships are far too easily destroyed to be very useful in modern times... It's called a 'Carrier Force' now. Try to keep up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: 1690 was not in 16th century Absolutely! 1690 being the last decade of the 17th Century. Portuguese 'discovery' of the Falklands first appeared on their maps in 1522. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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