'We're asking for help to bring our boy home to Manchester so he's not alone as he fights for his life'

[Blumpie]

Sadly we all make bad choices at some points in our lives and these choices have higher consequences like this one.  I feel for his family.

Will I contribute to a go fund me page?  No.  

[Bday Prang]

11 hours ago, BananaStrong said:

How many times must we tell everyone.......MOTORBIKES are very, very, very, very dangerous and the euphoria you have will not equal the pain after you crash.  You will crash, it's just a matter of when, not IF.  

 

sorry, if people read my posts and listened I could save lives!!!!

A post from a retired teacher if ever there was one,  but best of luck with the lifesaving crusade, if only people would read your posts  eh ?

[Bday Prang]

9 hours ago, The Fugitive said:

From the insurance (or lack of it) point of view Brits believe their needs will always be taken care of by their National Health Service.

Absolute rubbish,  british people nowadays have very little faith in the national disgrace that the NHS has become. 

[anchadian]

10 hours ago, steven100 said:

I do live here ...  but don't ride a motorbike thankfully,   or ride a jetski,  or go parasailing,  or enter BTS platforms,  or go to Ko Tao ,  or go to full moon parties,  or go to Khosaon road, or go to walking street late at night,   it's all just too damn dangerous for my liking  !!      haha

 

 

You don't have much of a life here then other than spend your time on a public discussion board.  haha.

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I really do wonder about some AN members...   that information is almost impossible to miss in the article... and then commented on numerous times by many other posters.....

I also wonder if a helmet would have provided much protection... as a tourist he probably received on of those feeble ones from whoever rented to him. And I read he was hit pretty hard.....

[KhaoYai]

17 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

I think the Brits, especially the younger ones, with their NHS kinda forget that in most countries it's not a totally free system and there is a price to pay.

Nothing to do with the nationality.  Thousands of tourists from all over the world visit Thailand every year, rent a bike, fail to wear a helmet and I'd guess that most don't have insurance that covers motorcycle riding.

 

Not so many years ago, I was allowed to rent an R1 in Pattaya without my licence.  I do hold a full licence for a bike as it happens but the shop owner wasn't bothered - as long as I let him keep my passport.  I shudder to think of a novice being allowed to ride an R1.

 

Anyway, this situation will be a thing of the past in June when the 300 baht arrival tax begins. That will cover their hospital costs...........................won't it? ????

[hellohello123]

14 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Depends on what was in the insurance, some do not include medivac or transport back home,sometimes its an addition that you need to pay extra for,  but the problem here is, it appears from the OP that he was intoxicated and had no helmet, which would probably invalidate any insurance, if he had  it?

My other question would be if they didnt have insurance, im assuming in these cases, its payment first  or else no one would ever pay and be prepared to be chased by debt collectors

[drmal]

Sorry, his family have to find the means to pay for whatever it takes to take him back. Not going to pay for someone caught in a drink-and-drive/ride incident. And that too without helmet. Same goes to whoever runs the red light.

 

But condolences to the family, nonetheless. A father of 5... yet... shouldn't have been doing what he did, no?

Edited March 12, 2023 by drmal

[lordblackader]

Drunk, no helmet, on his phone at the time and probably didn't have a license - who could have seen this coming ????

[jacko45k]

32 minutes ago, lordblackader said:

Drunk, no helmet, on his phone at the time and probably didn't have a license - who could have seen this coming ????

The few articles I read I am unsure if he was actually moving at the time of the incident.... had he stopped to talk on the phone, it also covers why he was not wearing his helmet. Also if stationary, the other driver is 100% to blame. 

[sjbrownderby]

19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Divorced?

He might well be divorced but if he has five kids then he must have some ongoing legal responsibility for them. Thailand is definitely not the place where any kind of legitimate employment would produce enough remuneration to satisfy his own needs and his familial responsibilities back in the UK. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

25 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The few articles I read I am unsure if he was actually moving at the time of the incident.... had he stopped to talk on the phone, it also covers why he was not wearing his helmet. Also if stationary, the other driver is 100% to blame. 

Not quite

If he had stopped in the middle of the road and switched his bikes lights off , making him unseeable to on coming traffic , then it wouldn't have been the car drivers fault

[Eloquent pilgrim]

40 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The few articles I read I am unsure if he was actually moving at the time of the incident.... had he stopped to talk on the phone, it also covers why he was not wearing his helmet. Also if stationary, the other driver is 100% to blame. 

I have read 4 reports and none of them indicate any witness statements or police reports. The only report, which has been repeated in all of the articles is from the family, saying a pick up ploughed into him while he was riding a motorcycle while not wearing a helmet. So not stationary according to the family.

[Harveyboy]

20 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Father of 5, no helmet, on the phone while driving after a couple of drinks.

Now the family begging for money.

Nuff said. 

Yep..on the phone.onthe grog.no helmet..what could possibly go wrong..stupid .. never the less I hope he can make a recovery..

[IvorBiggun2]

20 hours ago, BestB said:

Why police are not forcing truck owner to pay?

May be because the truck owner didn't have insurance or just had the mandatory Por Ror Bor insurance. Either way do you really think the police would come down on the farangs side?

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

 Also if stationary, the other driver is 100% to blame. 

Not if you take all the mitigating circumstances into account.

[kwilco]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

The few articles I read I am unsure if he was actually moving at the time of the incident.... had he stopped to talk on the phone, it also covers why he was not wearing his helmet. Also if stationary, the other driver is 100% to blame. 

Absolute rubbish. You obvious,y no nothing about eva,uation of RTIs and make up nonsense about apprtioning blam

the reality in Thailand is there is no facility for proper,y ana,ysing a crash,it is keft up to a few police officers who are not properly trained to do it and will do anything to wrap the matter up.

If if you witnessed the accident (which you clearly haven't) you would not be qualified to make any conclusions about what happened and then without any proper evidence you decide you are I a position to make judgements on how this person should be treated in hospital

[Jiggo]

Sounds like another irresponsible father leaving 5 kids to be funded on benefits while having his trip of a lifetime.

[Barefootknobby]

There’s a list of lessons here to be learnt. You also can’t blame the truck drivers insurance stance. Get well soon

[The Fugitive]

9 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Absolute rubbish,  british people nowadays have very little faith in the national disgrace that the NHS has become. 

Agreed. Brits love to complain. But they're not for spending money on Travel Insurance or Private Healthcare because they've already paid for their medical needs via their National Insurance Contributions.

[actonion]

22 hours ago, milesinnz said:

so he was chasing his dreams, looking for a job in Thailand, without a helmet - so where did his 5 children ever come into his plans ???

Usually the Divorce Court puts your plans for your kids on hold for a few years is my guess

[actonion]

24 minutes ago, Jiggo said:

Sounds like another irresponsible father leaving 5 kids to be funded on benefits while having his trip of a lifetime.

Maybe he is divorced

[Eloquent pilgrim]

7 minutes ago, actonion said:

Maybe he is divorced

From his 5 kids ??

[brianthainess]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

he was riding his motorbike with no helmet. Jay had forgotten to put the phone down to his girlfriend Naomi moments before,

Driving no helmet, on the phone, And let me guess no motorbike license and no experience driving one. Even the best insurance won't pay out on that.  You reap what you sow. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

31 minutes ago, Barefootknobby said:

You also can’t blame the truck drivers insurance stance

What is their stance? I cannot see anywhere in any of the reports anything about the other vehicle involved, or anything about their insurance 

[actonion]

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

From his 5 kids ??

From his ex;  Mrs..  who   just maybe has  custody of his 5 kids

[Eloquent pilgrim]

30 minutes ago, actonion said:

From his ex;  Mrs..  who   just maybe has  custody of his 5 kids

Did you really not understand that my question was not serious ?

 

It was simply an implication that you cannot divorce yourself from the responsibility of 5 kids; if, that is, you have a conscience.

[geisha]

50 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

Agreed. Brits love to complain. But they're not for spending money on Travel Insurance or Private Healthcare because they've already paid for their medical needs via their National Insurance Contributions.

Why talk rubbish ? NHS has nothing to do with travel insurance outside Uk, and all Brits know this. Travel insurance is widely used, some companies are better than others. My family have the best travel insurance and have had for many many years. So do my friends . There again , some people, not only Brits, don’t read the small print at the bottom of the policy. This is often where the problems begin when there is illness or an accident., or they have overlooked the duration they can spend in a country, as one young girl who had a very bad accident found out, when her travel insurance was valid for less days than she had spent in Thailand ( Asean now not long back) . Pre existing health conditions are also not generally covered.  The small print should be large print with a 

Warning Headline !! 

Alsso, the rumor mongers here guessing he’s a bad father, drunk, talking on his phone  etc should be ashamed of themselves. Look at your own perfect lives instead. 
 

[kwilco]

10 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Absolute rubbish,  british people nowadays have very little faith in the national disgrace that the NHS has become. 

I'd say that is a profoundly facile observation............

[JimTripper]

Sorry this happened to you Jay. Sending healing wishes your way.