Why is it difficult to add new flights at Suvarnabhumi?

[webfact]

 

With many countries opening their borders and returning to international flights, the question remains why many airlines still find it difficult to accommodate more arrivals and departures from Suvarnabhumi Airport.

 

According to Prachachat Business, the problems mainly affect flights from China where, according to earlier reports, more than 20 airlines have applied for Suvarnabhumi airport, with 50 to 60 flights a day, since China opened its border.

 

The above figure indicates that the majority of applications have not yet been approved. It is important to note that the above figure is well below the record of around 200 flights per day in 2019.

 

Full story: https://bangkokone.news/why-is-it-still-difficult-for-airlines-to-add-new-flights-at-suvarnabhumi-airport/

 

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[Cricky]

51 minutes ago, webfact said:

more than 20 airlines have applied for Suvarnabhumi airport

cha, cha...... 

Slowly, slowly. 

 

Hold your horses, what's the rush. 

 

We are in Thailand, it'll get done in Thai time. 

 

 

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Cricky

[ezzra]

It's funny that Thailand dose everything to bring more tourists but does nothing to expend

the intake capacity of its main airport, how about using the under used DM airport to alleviate

the need for more airlines to come?

[bbbbooboo]

Not really hard to understand. If you approach it as a child would?

[ikke1959]

this slow decision making country,  that wants to be the best of the world.... Something is wrong

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

The above figure indicates that the majority of applications have not yet been approved. It is important to note that the above figure is well below the record of around 200 flights per day in 2019.

Important things like pricing have to be negotiated first... 

approvals come at a price.

[LivinLOS]

2 hours ago, Cricky said:

cha, cha...... 

Slowly, slowly. 

 

Hold your horses, what's the rush. 

 

We are in Thailand, it'll get done in Thai time. 

 

 

 

If things were done efficiently and transparently there would be no need for 'negotiations' and 'fixers' to 'assist' in solving the problems 

[zzaa09]

The real problem might arise when the arrival numbers increase incredibly and nothing is resolved to relieve the forever issue at immigration. Talking a lot is not the same as an applied practice. 

 

All very business Thai. 

[josephbloggs]

54 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

The real problem might arise when the arrival numbers increase incredibly and nothing is resolved to relieve the forever issue at immigration. Talking a lot is not the same as an applied practice. 

 

All very business Thai. 

How long were you delayed at immigration?

[bamnutsak]

It sounds (from the linked article) that this is more about which of the duopolies will get the business, or if there is a third company (can KingPower be far behind in ground services?) trying to wedge into this business.

 

Note that the ground services primary contractors also sub-contract out most of the services.

 

 

[mikebell]

TIT.  They can't even organise car-parking at BKK.  Drove miles or queued hours trying to meet my daughter coming from UK.

[bamnutsak]

35 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Note that the ground services primary contractors also sub-contract out most of the services.

Finished that thought...

 

So sub-contractors cannot start hiring until they "win" the contract.

 

Awarding slots BEFORE services are readied would be a major issue for EVRYONE.

 

I'm actually surprised all of the Chinese carriers have ramped up their own services: re-hiring/training/certifying staff, re-certifying dormant aircraft.

 

Ceasing flight ops is easy. Re-commencing them, less easy.

 

What's the over/under on "runway excusrions" once rainy season arrives?

[zzaa09]

Bring back the smoking rooms....

????

[Srikcir]

Difficulty may be due pending final completion of a third runway forecasted for completion in 2023. It will boost capacity to 94 flights per hour and 90 million passengers per year. It had been previously approved prior to 2014 by previous administration's but apparently stalled by the 2014 military coup; approved again in April 2019 by Prayut's cabinet.

 

[NanLaew]

Good to see the usual AseanNow Thailand haters, who typically moan loudly about Thailand sucking up to their Chinese neighbors, now berating Thailand for NOT approving landing rights for a deluge of new Chinese airlines.

 

Make your minds up you oxygen wasters!

[Cricky]

1 hour ago, mikebell said:

TIT.  They can't even organise car-parking at BKK.  Drove miles or queued hours trying to meet my daughter coming from UK.

Sounds just like most Australian airports 

[Cricky]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

Bring back the smoking rooms....

????

Now, this is something worth complaining about. 

 

I gave up smoking nearly 10 years ago, I reckon my monthly flights would have been very different without a smoking room at the gate. 

 

Beer drinking without a smoke, it's unthinkable. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Cricky

[scottiejohn]

14 minutes ago, Cricky said:

Now, this is something worth complaining about. 

So you agree that your repeated complains about complaining on the other thread  are not actually worth complaining about?  

[Cricky]

26 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

So you agree that your repeated complains about complaining on the other thread  are not actually worth complaining about?  

OMG, not you again, I thought I got rid of you. ????

[Jumbo1968]

Like many airports in the world, ground staff were laid off during Covid, they have now found more suitable employment and won’t return.

Speaking to the staff on a KLM flight that was the problem at Schipol and has led to flight changes and cancellations.

As long as the situation remains the same irrespective of the oil price the cost of flights won’t be reducing in the near future.