Uganda parliament passes bill to jail gay people

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Uganda's parliament has passed a bill which would criminalise people who identify as gay, or a sexual minority.

Individuals could face lengthy prison terms if the bill is signed into law by President Yoweri Museveni.

Under the proposed legislation, friends, family and members of the community would have a duty to report individuals in same-sex relationships to the authorities.

Homosexual acts are already illegal in the east African country.

But the bill seeks to go further and criminalise people on the basis of their sexual identity.

The bill, which was first tabled earlier this month, passed with widespread support in Uganda's parliament on Tuesday.

[TKDfella]

The Guardian;

I shuddered a bit when I read '...imposing death penalty...'

[RuamRudy]

I hope all foreign government aid donors are reconsidering their support for Uganda in light of this. It is a pity that ordinary Ugandans will suffer if this happens, but all levers should be pulled to put pressure on the Ugandan government to block this bill. 

[mrfill]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I hope all foreign government aid donors are reconsidering their support for Uganda in light of this. It is a pity that ordinary Ugandans will suffer if this happens, but all levers should be pulled to put pressure on the Ugandan government to block this bill. 

And what about the other 81 countries who also outlaw homosexuality?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, mrfill said:

And what about the other 81 countries who also outlaw homosexuality?

81? The BBC suggest that the number is lower, and some of those are taking steps to decriminalise homosexuality.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43822234.amp

 

How many of those are recipients of foreign aid? I can't say, can you?

 

However, human rights should be a fundamental basis for all overseas aid considerations.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

81? The BBC suggest that the number is lower, and some of those are taking steps to decriminalise homosexuality.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43822234.amp

 

How many of those are recipients of foreign aid? I can't say, can you?

 

However, human rights should be a fundamental basis for all overseas aid considerations.

Looking at that excellent map in the sub link the strictest places are mostly grouped adjacent and mostly in the same two main regions of the world: 

 

https://ilga.org/ilga-world-releases-state-sponsored-homophobia-December-2020-update 

 

By that map, I would not factor in British (or any other) colonial influence too much but rather examine the most popular religions in those regions.

 

I suppose just stating the bleedin' obvious is far too politically incorrect and taboo so just blame the British then. Good old Auntie Beeb.

[thaibeachlovers]

Hopefully some posters will now divert their opprobrium from western countries that permit homosexuality ( and even protect it in law ) to those countries that are violently opposed to it.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hopefully some posters will now divert their opprobrium from western countries that permit homosexuality ( and even protect it in law ) to those countries that are violently opposed to it.

I look forward to your response when Ugandans arrive in the west seeking asylum on the basis of being persecuted for their sexual orientation in Uganda.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 hours ago, nauseus said:

Looking at that excellent map in the sub link the strictest places are mostly grouped adjacent and mostly in the same two main regions of the world: 

 

https://ilga.org/ilga-world-releases-state-sponsored-homophobia-December-2020-update 

 

By that map, I would not factor in British (or any other) colonial influence too much but rather examine the most popular religions in those regions.

 

I suppose just stating the bleedin' obvious is far too politically incorrect and taboo so just blame the British then. Good old Auntie Beeb.

Right so Colonial Administrations did or did not promulgate laws against homosexuality?

 

 

[James105]

Presumably they must have ticked all the required boxes now for FIFA to award them the next world cup.   

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Right so Colonial Administrations did or did not promulgate laws against homosexuality?

 

 

I don't think it was much of a priority to them. The British weren't expecting to convert the religious followings of entire populations.

[Bkk Brian]

Deplorable bill. 

 

UN and US join chorus of condemnation against Uganda’s hardline anti-LGBT bill

The United Nations and United States on Wednesday added to international outrage over a hardline bill passed by Ugandan lawmakers that criminalizes simply identifying as LGBTQ+, prescribes a life sentence for convicted homosexuals and a death penalty for “aggravated homosexuality.”

 

“The passing of this discriminatory bill – probably among the worst of its kind in the world – is a deeply troubling development,” said a statement from Türk’s office.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/22/africa/uganda-lgbtq-bill-condemned-intl/index.html

[proton]

Same as many muslim countries, you don't hear much outrage about them though

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9 minutes ago, proton said:

Same as many muslim countries, you don't hear much outrage about them though

The thing is, that's been mostly the case in those countries for a long time. The difference is that In the case of Uganda, it's actually regressing.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Same as many muslim countries, you don't hear much outrage about them though

The topic isn’t Islam or Muslim

Countries, funny how some try to drag it there.

 

I wonder what triggers that in them?

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, proton said:

Same as many muslim countries, you don't hear much outrage about them though

You do - it maybe you just aren't listening.

[thaibeachlovers]

56 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You do - it maybe you just aren't listening.

Not much on this forum and I have been paying attention.

[James105]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The topic isn’t Islam or Muslim

Countries, funny how some try to drag it there.

 

I wonder what triggers that in them?

 

 

 

The topic is about a country that has made something illegal which is also illegal in many other countries that all have something in common (Islam).   Why would that be out of scope for this topic other than the fact it's an uncomfortable truth the left doesn't want to acknowledge?    The only reason this particular instance has generated some outrage is that it is *not* a majority muslim country so Uganda is not privy to the bigotry of low expectations that would give them a free pass on this.   

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, James105 said:

The topic is about a country that has made something illegal which is also illegal in many other countries that all have something in common (Islam).   Why would that be out of scope for this topic other than the fact it's an uncomfortable truth the left doesn't want to acknowledge?   The only reason this particular instance has generated some outrage is that it is *not* a majority muslim country so Uganda is not privy to the bigotry of low expectations that would give them a free pass on this.   

Yes, that country is Uganda.

 

The topic is, what’s going on in…… Uganda.

 

[Myran]

Then any and all international aid for Uganda should be withdrawn. Chances are it's being pocketed by corrupt officials anyway.

[proton]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, that country is Uganda.

 

The topic is, what’s going on in…… Uganda.

 

You might know if you had been there, at least no rainbow flags or gay pride nonsense there

[onthedarkside]

Pair of off topic videos removed

[RuamRudy]

40 minutes ago, proton said:

You might know if you had been there, at least no rainbow flags or gay pride nonsense there

Should all public displays of community be banned, or only those communities of which you, personally, don't approve?

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not much on this forum and I have been paying attention.

How many such topics appear here? 

[proton]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Should all public displays of community be banned, or only those communities of which you, personally, don't approve?

Up to the populations of countries to decide, nobody should have minorty propaganda forced on them at every turn

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, proton said:

Up to the populations of countries to decide, nobody should have minorty propaganda forced on them at every turn

This thread is not about attempts to force 'propaganda' on anyone; rather it's about a country legislating to jail people simply for existing. 

[Yellowtail]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

This thread is not about attempts to force 'propaganda' on anyone; rather it's about a country legislating to jail people simply for existing. 

Actually. it is not " about a country legislating to jail people simply for existing.", to be honest, it's about a country legislating to jail people for particular behaviors. 

 

To be clear, I do not support the legislation, nor am I excusing it, but it is what it is. 

 

 

[Baht Simpson]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hopefully some posters will now divert their opprobrium from western countries that permit homosexuality ( and even protect it in law ) to those countries that are violently opposed to it.

That reminds me, I must renew my gay permit.  ???? 

 

I see what you're trying to get at but on the day that an independent enquiry released a scathing report on institutionalised  homophobia in the U.K. Met. Police I'm afraid my opprobrium remains.

[Baht Simpson]

29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Actually. it is not " about a country legislating to jail people simply for existing.", to be honest, it's about a country legislating to jail people for particular behaviors. 

 

To be clear, I do not support the legislation, nor am I excusing it, but it is what it is. 

 

 

Musa Ecweru has stated explicitly that he will make sure that "...there will be no space for homosexuals in Uganda."  

[Jingthing]

Not only about behaviors!

It's about behaviors

AND

Identity

AND

not reporting people that you know with the criminalized identity.

In some ways much worse than many Muslim countries.