Are you thinking of buying a BYD EV?

[Bandersnatch]

Many BYDs sold in China are PHEVs that is not the case with those sold here in Asia and Australasia. I have been unable to find any results for BYD car fires in Thailand, Aus or NZ. 
It is not clear in the video if the fires originated in the ICE

 

BYD blade batteries use a LiFePO4 chemistry which is inherently safer than lithium ion and is one of the reasons I chose LFP for my home batteries. 
 

 

[NanLaew]

Up to 20 new ones on the BYD dealer's lot on the ring road in Udon Thani. Easily see 3 or 4 of them each day on my travels around town so they're very popular. Suggested getting an ATTO3 to Mrs NL but she's a reluctant adopter.

[macahoom]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Suggested getting an ATTO3 to Mrs NL but she's a reluctant adopter.

A test drive might do the trick.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, macahoom said:

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Suggested getting an ATTO3 to Mrs NL but she's a reluctant adopter.

A test drive might do the trick.

Quite possibly. But then driving past their dealership may become as perilous as walking past a gold shop.

[Lacessit]

While it is fact the frequency of EV battery fires is lower than gas, the real problem is putting them out.

Fire-fighting crews can put out gas fires with foam or powder, even the car owner can put out a small fire with a powder-based extinguisher.

Batteries don't need oxygen to burn, they are stored energy. Putting water on them is the worst thing anyone can do, as the water reacts with the lithium in the battery to form hydrogen, a good recipe for an explosion.

[Celsius]

Wife just test drove BYD Dolphin and was mildly impressed especially by 699k 1.8% price tag. She avoids buying Chinese cars but perhaps getting 8 years out of this car (warranty supposedly 8 years) is worth it even if it is completely unsellable after that. They also pay first year insurance premium.

 

Whatdoyathink?

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Wife just test drived BYD Dolphin and was mildly impressed especially by 699k 1.8% price tag. She avoids buying Chinese cars but perhaps getting 8 years out of this car (warranty supposedly 8 years) is worth it even if it is completely not resellable after that. They also pay first year insurance premium.

 

Whatdoyathink?

Is that the battery is covered for 8 years, what about the motor and drive train....?  

[macahoom]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

Is that the battery is covered for 8 years, what about the motor and drive train....?  

A quick Google reveals:

 

Car Insurance Type 1 for a period of 1 year.

8-Year or 160,000-km Car Warranty.

8-Year or 160,000-km Battery Warranty.

24-hour emergency roadside assistance services for 8 full years.

V-to-L electrical equipment extension cable.

Portable Charger.

Vehicle registration fee.

Shape-specific rubber fabric, license plate frame, screen protective film.

Free Home Charger Unit ready for installation.

[transam]

12 minutes ago, macahoom said:

A quick Google reveals:

 

Car Insurance Type 1 for a period of 1 year.

8-Year or 160,000-km Car Warranty.

8-Year or 160,000-km Battery Warranty.

24-hour emergency roadside assistance services for 8 full years.

V-to-L electrical equipment extension cable.

Portable Charger.

Vehicle registration fee.

Shape-specific rubber fabric, license plate frame, screen protective film.

Free Home Charger Unit ready for installation.

If you can keep it within the 100,000 miles, sounds good...????

[JBChiangRai]

On 4/3/2023 at 8:03 AM, sathornlover said:

for Good Cat  24k VIRAYA 

For MG EP+ 8,800 baht Roojai

[In the jungle]

51 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Wife just test drived BYD Dolphin and was mildly impressed especially by 699k 1.8% price tag. She avoids buying Chinese cars but perhaps getting 8 years out of this car (warranty supposedly 8 years) is worth it even if it is completely not resellable after that. They also pay first year insurance premium.

 

Whatdoyathink?

If I am thinking of the right car the more expensive variant has longer range and is way quicker on the 0 to 100 kph time.  This cheaper one you are going to be sucking up the exhaust of diesel pickups every set of lights.  It's a bit of a snail.  

[vinny41]

32 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

For MG EP+ 8,800 baht Roojai

Pointless quoting Insurance premiums as so many different factors the major one being capital insured i.e how much will the insurance company pay if your car is written off for a 2022 MG EP+ model roojai quote approx B480,000 

For a different make and model for car inital cost B1,300,000  I have seen a difference of capital as much as B200,000  between insurance company suggested by the brand versus company not suggested by the brand

[sathornlover]

40 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

For MG EP+ 8,800 baht Roojai

That is correct. The ORA Good Cat Ultra 500 would also only cost ~12,000 baht at Rojal Insurance. …

[Lacessit]

On 4/3/2023 at 12:56 PM, ozimoron said:

 

 

Because they will be mandatory soon.

They may be mandated for government vehicles. I can't see it happening for the whole population, because there simply isn't enough lithium available to supply the level of demand. The world would have to open up 10-20 new mines a year, for the next 20 years.

We will have ICE's around for quite a while yet, and they may get a new lease of life with hydrogen fuelling them.

[Pib]

I'm seriously considering buying either BYD Atto 3 EV or MG ZS EV.....really torn between deciding between them. The wife and I visited BYD and MG dealerships today/19 Sep and test drove a MG ZS EV this afternoon....I was impressed with the drive quality and power.   We also visited the BYD dealership this morning to look at the Atto 3 and also could have done an offerred test drive but didn't take them up on the offer....but going back tomorrow morning and do a test drive.

 

For the Atto 3 Extended Range model with 60KWH battery the price is Bt1,199,900 until the end of November when the govt subsidiary will dry up for that BYD model.   The freebies include:

 

- a basic warranty on vehicle 8 yrs/160Km,

- Traction battery warranty is also 8 yrs/160Km,

- Free Maintenance for 8 yrs/160Km,

- free road service 24 hrs a day for 8 yrs,

- free 1st class insurance for 1 yr, 

- free home wall charge (7KW) including installation,

- free portable (granny) charger,

- free Vehicle to Load adapter, 

- free car registration,

- and free matching carpet matts, rear luggage, license plate frames

 

Now for the MG EZ EV with 50KWH battery the price is Bt1,013,000 until the end of September....only another 10 days or so....appears the govt subsidiary on this model goes away before the subsidiary for the Atto 3.....beyond my brain power to figure out why the govt subsidiary length of time is shorter on the MG model vs the BYD model....but it is what it is.   But here are the freebies included in the MG dealership quote today:

 

- Free 1st class insurance for 3 (three) years....normally it's 1 yr but a special deal right now adds 2 more free years for a total of 3 yrs 1st class insurance

- free labor for 5 times/visits

- basic warranty on vehicle 4 years/120Km

- traction battery warranty 8 year/160Km

- free home wall charger (7KW) and installation

- free portable (granny) charger

- free ceramic windows film (40/60/80% light blocking)...I would go with 80% on the side window/sunroof and 40% on the front window

- free vehicle to load adapter

- free roadside assistance 24hrs/day for 4 years

- free towing 100Km in case of emergency

- free spray rust proofing

- free car registration

- free license plate frames

 

Yeap....seriously considering these two models.  I need to sh$t or get off the pot deciding on which one especially since the govt subsidiary soon runs out, especially for the MG at the end of September/this month....got until end of November for the Atto 3.  

 

The BYD warranty coverage pretty much 8 yrs/160Km across the board for the car and traction battery is better than the MG car warranty of 4 years/120Km & 8 yrs/160Km for the traction battery.    The MG free 1st class insurance for 3 yrs vs only 1 is definitely a good thing as 1st class insurance ain't cheap.    For the external appearance of both the MG and BYD the wife and I like them both....but when it comes to the interior we undecided on which is best.  The interest of the BYD is definitely bigger probably due to its chassis being designed solely for an EV whereas the MG chassis was originally designed for a combustion engine and adapted for an EV/electric motor.   The MG interior is more classic where the BYD interior is more eccentric but still nice....much of this is a matter of opinion that will vary from individual to individual.

 

Wish the wife and I luck as to "if" we can decide to buy either the MG or BYD....but if we are going to do it we do to do it ASAP if wanting either car at a much lower price due to the soon to go bye-bye govt subsidiary although there is talk the subsidiary may continue in a new form/lower amount in the coming months/for 2024 but I doubt any future subsidiary will be a good as the current one.

 

P.S.  I currently drive a 2009 Toyota Fortuner 3.0L diesel which I will be keeping....a great car that I bought brand new, kept well maintained, and it still runs and looks great with 315,000Km on it's odometer.   But at the same time I want to get an BEV....have one car that totally electric...cheap to drive at least "fuel" wise.

 

 

 

[vinny41]

On 4/10/2023 at 3:20 AM, DUNROAMIN said:

Does NCAP ratings include the integrity of the EV's electrical and battery system?

NCAP is for vehicles sold on the European market and built to European specs

for Vehicles in Asia look at ASEAN NCAP

New Car Assessment Program for Southeast Asian Countries (ASEAN NCAP), a new addition to the NCAP family, is targeted to elevate vehicle safety standards, raise consumer awareness and thus encourage a market for safer vehicles in the region.

https://v4-web.aseancap.org/

[ozimoron]

Just now, Lacessit said:

They may be mandated for government vehicles. I can't see it happening for the whole population, because there simply isn't enough lithium available to supply the level of demand. The world would have to open up 10-20 new mines a year, for the next 20 years.

We will have ICE's around for quite a while yet, and they may get a new lease of life with hydrogen fuelling them.

The US just discovered the world's largest lithium deposit worth trillions. Batteries won't use lithium for very long anyway.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

The US just discovered the world's largest lithium deposit worth trillions. Batteries won't use lithium for very long anyway.

Do you know how long it takes to develop mining and processing infrastructure for any deposit?

What are you saying is an alternative battery material?

[KhunLA]

@Celsius If you put 20k kms on a year, we calculated we'll probably save over 460k baht, just on petrol cost, with our EV.

 

That's an accurate cost of MG ZS ICE version (we owned), vs our EV version, we own now.  Doesn't even include the oil changes (10k) & tune ups.

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Pointless quoting Insurance premiums as so many different factors the major one being capital insured i.e how much will the insurance company pay if your car is written off for a 2022 MG EP+ model roojai quote approx B480,000 

For a different make and model for car inital cost B1,300,000  I have seen a difference of capital as much as B200,000  between insurance company suggested by the brand versus company not suggested by the brand

Our Roojai MG EP+ policy is for 610,000  sum insured at 8,800, they charged us an extra 56 baht to get the higher sum insured.

[In the jungle]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Do you know how long it takes to develop mining and processing infrastructure for any deposit?

What are you saying is an alternative battery material?

Lemons

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Do you know how long it takes to develop mining and processing infrastructure for any deposit?

What are you saying is an alternative battery material?

Let me help you…

it doesn’t take 10 years as Reuters and others say. Musk does it in 2 years. 

[JBChiangRai]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Do you know how long it takes to develop mining and processing infrastructure for any deposit?

What are you saying is an alternative battery material?

 

19 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

Lemons

When AN gives you lemons make lemonade, sorry I mean batteries

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/3/2023 at 9:22 AM, Henryford said:

Who would want one of these mobile flame throwers. Madness to own one. Look at the recent Youtube post by Serpentza.

I'd guess those who want the type of car that, statistically, is the least likely to burst into flames!...

 

 

On 4/3/2023 at 7:16 AM, macahoom said:

A study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles and 3,475 for hybrids.

 

[In the jungle]

22 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

When AN gives you lemons make lemonade, sorry I mean batteries

Well he didn't ask which was a good alternative!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 4/3/2023 at 12:56 PM, ozimoron said:

Your unsupported claim of increased danger was dispelled by an earlier post.

 

Because they will be mandatory soon.

Said who?

[In the jungle]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I'd guess those who want the type of car that, statistically, is the least likely to burst into flames!...

 

 

 

Are you aware there are qualitative differences in the nature of fires?

 

You need to go beyond what Mr Google tells you.

[In the jungle]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

@Celsius If you put 20k kms on a year, we calculated we'll probably save over 460k baht, just on petrol cost, with our EV.

 

That's an accurate cost of MG ZS ICE version (we owned), vs our EV version, we own now.  Doesn't even include the oil changes (10k) & tune ups.

Your MG ICE must have been a gas hog to come up with that calculated saving.

[Lacessit]

31 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Let me help you…

it doesn’t take 10 years as Reuters and others say. Musk does it in 2 years. 

Having worked in the mining industry, I can say with confidence it's 4-5 years. That's assuming the stuff being mined is reasonably innocuous, e.g. iron ore. With lithium, who knows?

For example, it took 8 years for the world's richest rare earth deposit, Mt Weld, to get from mining startup to final processing in Malaysia.

[KhunLA]

13 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

Your MG ICE must have been a gas hog to come up with that calculated saving.

Staggering #s, but the #s don't lie.

 

Now someone tell me again, how much more expensive EVs are ????

 

14 kms per L/91 @ ฿40.5 baht today.

20k ÷ 14 kms = L X ฿40.5 = ฿57,857.14 X 8 yrs = ฿462,857