thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 9 hours ago, KiChakayan said: In such case an Exit bag would be the best solution IMHO. It's not that easy to do, as was pointed out in the video about the good doctor that used them to help people exit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 On 4/6/2023 at 10:46 AM, Lacessit said: Malcolm Fraser once famously said life wasn't meant to be easy. While he got pilloried for the comment, he was spot on. Did he believe that God deliberately made life hard? I can accept "life isn't easy" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 23 hours ago, The Fugitive said: Some guys know (or at least strongly suspect) from their family history what's in store for them. Once they've decided 'I'm not going to see many more birthdays' that more than likely would apply. Going by that, I should expect to live to mid 90s as a mentally challenged man with severe diabetes. Excuse me if I say I don't want to be like them and if it means exiting in my 80s at a maximum ( sooner is acceptable ) that's absolutely fine. After all, none of us get out alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 22 hours ago, Whitepointer said: To his surprise these on-ward quacks started talking to him about a colostomy bag. He was medicated, frightened and begging them to talk to the specialist at St Vincent's because he believed his current condition was related to his immune disease and needed to be assessed and treated differently. The doctors didn't listen to him and just kept insisting that they would need to operate in days if it didn't right itself. Saying things like 'You don't understand you are in a very serious situation and an operation will save your life, if we don't you will almost certainly die' Short of a court order, which would be unlikely IMO for an aged person, the quacks can't operate without patient consent, or if incapacitated NOK or alternate. For any older person a living will should be essential or the quacks will cut them as that's what they do. I looked after many patients with a bag and long ago decided that other than a temporary bag would never ever allow them to give me one of those. Death is IMO preferable. Others may choose to live with one, but that is their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmate Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) On 4/6/2023 at 5:46 AM, Lacessit said: 100% agree. If you want to live longer and have quality of life, you have to work at it. You may get hit by a bus instead, but that's life. Malcolm Fraser once famously said life wasn't meant to be easy. While he got pilloried for the comment, he was spot on. Malcolm former Oz PM speaking of course after getting sprung with his pants down in a sleezy US motel!! ???? Edited April 7, 2023 by Olmate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Bones Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Emergency? Planning? I got lost there.???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Did he believe that God deliberately made life hard? I can accept "life isn't easy" though. Why is it one or the other? Life is easy at times and hard at times, but mostly it's neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Apart from having the cash to pay, has anyone mentioned the necessity of someone local who has the authority to access said cash. No good having funds available if the patient can't access them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Why is it one or the other? Life is easy at times and hard at times, but mostly it's neither. Life isn't just about humans. Life isn't easy for zebras on a reserve where lions live and don't get me started on life for insects. Even if we only refer to humans, for a majority of the human race life is probably desperate every miserable day. Ask any poor person in Asia if they have an easy life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Lacessit said: Take a look at the number of posts I have made, then the number of positives given by other posters. Then compare it with your ratio. IMO that says it all about our relative value to this forum. Wow, you're really like a dog with a bone! Hey, do you think I can be more valuable to the forum if I were a Trump-basher an climate-alarmist? In any evert, having a lot of like in no way helps support your claim that the cheapest PET scan at the numerous private hospitals in Thailand that you checked was US$15,000.00, when it's likely more like US$1,500.00 Even the site you linked to show you to be misinformed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, Olmate said: Malcolm former Oz PM speaking of course after getting sprung with his pants down in a sleezy US motel!! ???? He wasn't my favorite politician either. Having said that, he did not have the modern culture of lying and spinning. He simply did not answer awkward questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Life isn't just about humans. Life isn't easy for zebras on a reserve where lions live and don't get me started on life for insects. How it hard for zebras? 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Even if we only refer to humans, for a majority of the human race life is probably desperate every miserable day. Interspaced with joy and love. 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Ask any poor person in Asia if they have an easy life. Again, why is it one or the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Going by that, I should expect to live to mid 90s as a mentally challenged man with severe diabetes. Excuse me if I say I don't want to be like them and if it means exiting in my 80s at a maximum ( sooner is acceptable ) that's absolutely fine. After all, none of us get out alive. Point taken, life expectancy generally increases between generations but there are always exceptions. Coughing your lungs up and dying of pneumonia aged 67 was the norm for my grandparents. I have an uncle aged 95, lives by himself, cooks his own meals and keeps his house and garden immaculate but admits 'I forget things sometimes'. Most definitely a case of 'Your Mileage May Vary'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Wow, you're really like a dog with a bone! Hey, do you think I can be more valuable to the forum if I were a Trump-basher an climate-alarmist? In any evert, having a lot of like in no way helps support your claim that the cheapest PET scan at the numerous private hospitals in Thailand that you checked was US$15,000.00, when it's likely more like US$1,500.00 Even the site you linked to show you to be misinformed. You're not a Trump-basher or climate alarmist? Says a lot, do you donate to his campaign fund? You're right, I was posting as a lesson in relative esteem. As I told you before, I have better things to do with my time than go searching for the original links, which won't satisfy you anyway. IMO you'd be more valuable to the forum by being less obnoxious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, Yellowtail said: How it hard for zebras? Interspaced with joy and love. Again, why is it one or the other? Seriously? I did put lions in there for a reason, which you seem to have missed. Try telling an African kid forced to work down a cobalt mine so rich western people can drive an electric car that they have joy and love in their life. Western people have it too easy, to not understand how privileged we are to have such easy lives, IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: Point taken, life expectancy generally increases between generations but there are always exceptions. Coughing your lungs up and dying of pneumonia aged 67 was the norm for my grandparents. I have an uncle aged 95, lives by himself, cooks his own meals and keeps his house and garden immaculate but admits 'I forget things sometimes'. Most definitely a case of 'Your Mileage May Vary'. I gave that a thumbs up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Life isn't just about humans. Life isn't easy for zebras on a reserve where lions live and don't get me started on life for insects. Life is really easy for my rabbits, free food, water, shelter and medical care. They just eat, run and sleep. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, BritManToo said: Life is really easy for my rabbits, free food, water, shelter and medical care. They just eat, run and sleep. They are lucky, but a minority. If they were living in NZ they'd probably be shot as a pest, and if in the UK they'd likely be a fox's dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauptmannUK Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: While I'm happy that your wife was able to be sorted I'm puzzled as to how she qualified, unless you are both residents IN the UK and only visiting Thailand. I understand that only UK residents are able to get NHS treatment. My wife has both Thai and British passports. We travel frequently between UK and Thailand - spend overall about half the year in each country. My wife does a bit of work as a real estate agent in Thailand and is partner in a small hotel in UK. I am basically retired but partner with my sister in a motor trade dealership in UK. We therefore will have to shuttle back and forth for the foreseeable future. Our GP is aware of our arrangements and says its no problem. For example, she is happy to forward-prescribe any meds for when we are in Thailand (e.g. my statins). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsari Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 You could be suffering from hypochondriasis . Live and let live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Seriously? Seriously 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: I did put lions in there for a reason, which you seem to have missed. No, it did not miss that. Are there not always lions where zebras live? 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Try telling an African kid forced to work down a cobalt mine so rich western people can drive an electric car that they have joy and love in their life. Do you think there parents don't love then and that they are not happy when they get paid? 10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Western people have it too easy, to not understand how privileged we are to have such easy lives, IMO. Perhaps, but compare suicide rates between people with a lot of leisure to people with a lot of hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lacessit said: You're not a Trump-basher or climate alarmist? Says a lot, do you donate to his campaign fund? You're right, I was posting as a lesson in relative esteem. As I told you before, I have better things to do with my time than go searching for the original links, which won't satisfy you anyway. IMO you'd be more valuable to the forum by being less obnoxious. And I think you'd be more valuable to the forum if you come clean about your claim that the cheapest PET scan at the numerous private hospitals in Thailand that you checked was US$15,000.00, when it's likely more like US$1,500.00 Even the site you linked to show you to be misinformed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmate Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 49 minutes ago, Lacessit said: He wasn't my favorite politician either. Having said that, he did not have the modern culture of lying and spinning. He simply did not answer awkward questions. He managed to spin Gough,s sacking really well tho..! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Yellowtail said: And I think you'd be more valuable to the forum if you come clean about your claim that the cheapest PET scan at the numerous private hospitals in Thailand that you checked was US$15,000.00, when it's likely more like US$1,500.00 Even the site you linked to show you to be misinformed. Vaidam Health: "Pet Scan cost in Thailand is between USD 1530 to USD 1870. The total cost of the treatment depends on the diagnosis and facilities opted by the patient" BookIMED "The average price of PET/CT in Thailand is $19058, the minimum price is $15246, and the maximum price is $22869. Request the price. United States of America." Is it my fault I found the BookiMed site or something similar on my original search? Or the unit may be baht instead of dollars? You are also assuming the cost of scanning a single body part such as the knee is the same as a full body scan with all the bells and whistles. I can't find the original link of $15,000 , Google probably puts up and takes down thousands of links every day. Your repetitive harping does not even possess any originality or creativity. End of discussion with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 On 4/7/2023 at 1:58 PM, HauptmannUK said: My wife has both Thai and British passports. We travel frequently between UK and Thailand - spend overall about half the year in each country. My wife does a bit of work as a real estate agent in Thailand and is partner in a small hotel in UK. I am basically retired but partner with my sister in a motor trade dealership in UK. We therefore will have to shuttle back and forth for the foreseeable future. Our GP is aware of our arrangements and says its no problem. For example, she is happy to forward-prescribe any meds for when we are in Thailand (e.g. my statins). Thanks for that. When I was working in an operating theatre in London we got a lot of elderly people that came in for free ops on the NHS. Their children lived in London, but they didn't live in the UK, so were not legally entitled. We were not allowed to ask them for proof of residence. I think the NHS tightened up on that scam though, or at least I hope they did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 On 4/7/2023 at 8:27 AM, VocalNeal said: Apart from having the cash to pay, has anyone mentioned the necessity of someone local who has the authority to access saidhcash. No good having funds available if the patient can't access them. ... or else just hand them (or they can retrieve from your wallet if not reasonably conscious) your insurance card. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Thanks for that. When I was working in an operating theatre in London we got a lot of elderly people that came in for free ops on the NHS. Their children lived in London, but they didn't live in the UK, so were not legally entitled. We were not allowed to ask them for proof of residence. I think the NHS tightened up on that scam though, or at least I hope they did. I went for an interview for a post with UK NHS of recovering money from overseas patients. The office was more of a cubicle with a few lever arch files and no staff! I got the impression the work was no more than a token gesture and absolutely a losing battle. A couple of years afterwards I read somewhere that our NHS had given up doing this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Fugitive said: I went for an interview for a post with UK NHS of recovering money from overseas patients. The office was more of a cubicle with a few lever arch files and no staff! I got the impression the work was no more than a token gesture and absolutely a losing battle. A couple of years afterwards I read somewhere that our NHS had given up doing this. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-million-to-help-nhs-reclaim-debts-from-overseas-visitors ???????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fugitive Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, roo860 said: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1-million-to-help-nhs-reclaim-debts-from-overseas-visitors ???????? Thanks for this. More recent than my experience. Would be interesting to know their processes for getting money out of anyone abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted April 9, 2023 Share Posted April 9, 2023 1 hour ago, The Fugitive said: Thanks for this. More recent than my experience. Would be interesting to know their processes for getting money out of anyone abroad? Money up front or medical insurance? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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