Fox News Poll: 71% choose funding Social Security, Medicare over budget cuts

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep spending and pass the debt onto future generations and let them deal with it .

   

I agree, reverse tax cuts for the rich now.

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25 minutes ago, mania said:

Typical...It is like the none option they give us every four years. You want to vote for this or that? Which is worse? Never really a smart choice like none of the above allowed

 

Now with this cut SS & Medicare vs raise the budget?

How about we take some off the insane military budget?

How about we stop giving billions to places like Israel year after year?

The list is long but we never consider or are allowed "Those" options

Just threaten to cut what we have already paid for or raise the budget again

 

I pity the future children as we are definitely not leaving them a country/world as nice as the one we inherited & trashed

I noticed that you don't recommend raising taxes the wealthy. How about restoring the tax structure back to where it was before George W. Bush was President. In Bill Clintons final year in office, the budget was virtually balanced.

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

The socialists in America will keep increasing and passing down the huge US debt to the next generation, let them worry about it. It's all about me.

So taking care of the less fortunate in society is egoism. But you're right, the problem is 'it's all about me '.

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5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep spending and pass the debt onto future generations and let them deal with it .

   

Or put taxes back where they were before the Republicans started slashing them with false promises about how  cuts would stimulate the economy so much that they would pay for themselves.

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11 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

The socialists in America will keep increasing and passing down the huge US debt to the next generation, let them worry about it. It's all about me.

Not only did the Trump administration cut taxes, but it increased spending before covid 19.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

I agree, reverse tax cuts for the rich now.

Would you stick to that principle with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

   Forget the legalities, but would be be willing to pay 45 % tax to the Thai Government  on all your  income over the average 15 000 Baht per month (income) in Thailand ?

   Would you stick to your principles of taxing the rich, with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

[Chomper Higgot]

35 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just keep spending and pass the debt onto future generations and let them deal with it .

   

I don’t recall you making that argument when over $1.3 Trillion was handed out as tax breaks to the hyper wealthy?

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you stick to that principle with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

   Forget the legalities, but would be be willing to pay 45 % tax to the Thai Government  on all your  income over the average 15 000 Baht per month (income) in Thailand ?

   Would you stick to your principles of taxing the rich, with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

On what basis do you claim anyone here is rich or has an unpaid tax liability in Thailand?

 

Or was that simply an attempt to take the discussion off track?

[dingdongrb]

If I am correct, right now if you make more than $163,200 USD you stop paying SS tax. Why is that? Why should anyone be able to stop especially when they are making so much money?

 

I say

- Do not put a maximum taxable earnings on income to pay into SS

- Do a thorough investigation on those that are receiving disability income from SS. There are many that are abusing the system.

- Stop spending so much money on other countries that do no good for the USA. Help your own people first!

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, nigelforbes said:

So, 40 years ago then!

Yes, and the UK is just now raising it to the age the US raised it to in 1983

[nigelforbes]

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Yes, and the UK is just now raising it to the age the US raised it to in 1983

So? And? The discussion is about US funding of SSc!

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

So? And? The discussion is about US funding of SSc!

You brought up the UK when it suited you.....................

 

[nigelforbes]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You brought up the UK when it suited you.....................

 

I used the UK and France as examples, that's not an invitation to make the UK the focus of the debate! The US, UK, French and Australian systems are all very different, they are funded differently, contain very different numbers of members and have very very different deficits. What is appropriate for one is not necessarily appropriate for the others and the timings of individual actions will need to vary also, just because one did this or that whenever is not a timing benchmark for the rest, even if the action is required by them all.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, nigelforbes said:

I used the UK and France as examples, that's not an invitation to make the UK the focus of the debate! The US, UK, French and Australian systems are all very different, they are funded differently, contain very different numbers of members and have very very different deficits. What is appropriate for one is not necessarily appropriate for the others and the timings of individual actions will need to vary also, just because one did this or that whenever is not a timing benchmark for the rest, even if the action is required by them all.

As I said, you brought in the UK, when another poster does the same you object. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

When someone has got nothing, a last resort is to try and make it personal.

Its interesting to know peoples principles 

Would they still agree with taxing the rich, if they were rich themselves (as they are in Thailand)

   Would they still agree with the philosophy with high taxation of the rich if the Thai Government began taxing people living in Thailands income at 45 % ?

   Would you happily and contently give the Thai Government 45 % of your income, as you do agree with high taxation of people on  a large income 

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8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its interesting to know peoples principles 

Would they still agree with taxing the rich, if they were rich themselves (as they are in Thailand)

   Would they still agree with the philosophy with high taxation of the rich if the Thai Government began taxing people living in Thailands income at 45 % ?

   Would you happily and contently give the Thai Government 45 % of your income, as you do agree with high taxation of people on  a large income 

Have you never heard of a progressive tax system? If you haven't, get yourself acquainted with the concept.

[heybruce]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its interesting to know peoples principles 

Would they still agree with taxing the rich, if they were rich themselves (as they are in Thailand)

   Would they still agree with the philosophy with high taxation of the rich if the Thai Government began taxing people living in Thailands income at 45 % ?

   Would you happily and contently give the Thai Government 45 % of your income, as you do agree with high taxation of people on  a large income 

If I were earning money in Thailand I would expect to pay all the required taxes.

 

Like many I just spend money in Thailand that I earned elsewhere.  It appears Thailand finds that acceptable.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Would you stick to that principle with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

   Forget the legalities, but would be be willing to pay 45 % tax to the Thai Government  on all your  income over the average 15 000 Baht per month (income) in Thailand ?

   Would you stick to your principles of taxing the rich, with yourself being rich in Thailand ?

Bizarre whataboutary.

[Mac Mickmanus]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

If I were earning money in Thailand I would expect to pay all the required taxes.

 

Like many I just spend money in Thailand that I earned elsewhere.  It appears Thailand finds that acceptable.

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

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8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

Once again, your question takes no account of progressivity in taxation.

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10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

Of course, another problem with this question is that you're asking it of people who aren't beneficiaries of Thai govt programs and services the way that citizens are.

[Chomper Higgot]

39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

It has to be hypocritical, because you have zero logical argument to support the protection of the hyper wealthy in the US at cost to the national debt and essential social welfare programs.

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The question is, do I qualify as rich. And why would I pay the Thai govt at that rate? Does it provide services to anyone, thai citizen or not, that would justify that rate? Does the Thai govt charge anyone at that rate?

[Pink Mist]

Troll and Bickering posts removed.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

I answered that question.  If I earned the money in Thailand and that were the law, then I would pay the tax.  What further support do you expect?

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Just now, heybruce said:

I answered that question.  If I earned the money in Thailand and that were the law, then I would pay the tax.  What further support do you expect?

But Mac MickManus wants to know if you'd be happy. Because isn't happiness the reason we all pay taxes? To tell you the truth, even paying the VAT at seven-eleven gives me a frisson of joy every time I do it.

[dingdongrb]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Hypothetically though .

Would you support the Thai Government if they began taxing your income at 45 %

Isn't it close to 45% already?

 

Money you make is taxed.

Money you spend is taxed.

..... and on top of that you're taxed for things like your home, land, personal property (car)

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The Republicans have been threatening not to raise the debt ceiling until the debt issue is addressed. In other words, they are threatening to damage the U.S. economy. How do the Republicans think voters are going to react to this threat considering that most voters don't care that much about the issue? Once again, Republicans are impersonating lemmings.

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Republicans have been threatening not to raise the debt ceiling until the debt issue is addressed. In other words, they are threatening to damage the U.S. economy. How do the Republicans think voters are going to react to this threat considering that most voters don't care that much about the issue? Once again, Republicans are impersonating lemmings.

They've been down this path before with suboptimal results. How does that saying about stupidity go again?