placeholder Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: It's called artistic licence. They weren't making a documentary ???? You mean to tell me that's not the real Queen Cleopatra? So disappointing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placeholder Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, 2009 said: Can't you see they are just pandering to the black community? How can you make a show about a historical figure and change her race? Might as well change her gender, nationality, and every else Next thing you know, they'll have her speaking English instead of Greek or Egyptian. Nah...they wouldn't go that far because that would be truly unbelievable. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, 2009 said: Can't you see they are just pandering to the black community? How can you make a show about a historical figure and change her race? Might as well change her gender, nationality, and every else Because her race is completely irrelevant to her life, so much so that her actual race is the subject of speculation. Are you suggesting that black actors should be confined to roles portraying known black people and white actors should be confined to portraying white people? Pandering to the black community? You have an unhealthy preoccupation with race issues. Edited April 23, 2023 by ozimoron 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I would have liked to see Jacki Chan playing the Cleopatra role or maybe Clint Eastwood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: It's called artistic licence. They weren't making a documentary ???? Sooo, IMO the Black and White minstrel show had to be cancelled for using white men playing black men, but it's OK for black people to play actual historical not black people- that's confusing! 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Sooo, IMO the Black and White minstrel show had to be cancelled for using white men playing black men, but it's OK for black people to play actual historical not black people- that's confusing! The black and white minstrel show was not cancelled because white men played black men. I'm not surprised you're confused. Actually, I know you're not confused at all, you're trolling. Edited April 23, 2023 by ozimoron 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 21 hours ago, candide said: While it is very possible there were black pharaohs in early periods of the empire, it is unlikely Cleopatra was black. Then, as many issues, it has been poluted by politicization from different groups, Anyway, does it really matter when It's about entertainment? Neither was true, Cleopatra 7th was a direct descendent of Ptolemy Alexander the greats general who ruled Egypt after his death. There is no evidence of even any Egyptian forebears never mind black. Afro centrics sometimes claim her grandmother was Egyptian but there is no proof. You only have to look at her image on coins to see there are no black features, likewise on the few surviving busts and on temple walls like at Dendera. Just another pathetic attempt to shoehorn blacks into a history which does not belong to them, but wear corn row and they scream cultural appropriation 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, placeholder said: You mean to tell me that's not the real Queen Cleopatra? So disappointing. Glad to be of help ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsius Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said: It's called artistic licence. They weren't making a documentary ???? But they didn't pay for the license hence the lawsuit ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: The black and white minstrel show was not cancelled because white men played black men. I'm not surprised you're confused. Actually, I know you're not confused at all, you're trolling. Forget your obligatory 'trolling comment', which I am surprised you don't get pulled for it. But perhaps you can tell us why the Black & White Minstrel Show was axed. Perhaps also why Robertson's Jam removed us kids Golliwogs from the jars..............???? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, transam said: Forget your obligatory 'trolling comment', which I am surprised you don't get pulled for it. But perhaps you can tell us why the Black & White Minstrel Show was axed. Perhaps also why Robertson's Jam removed us kids Golliwogs from the jars..............???? Off topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: Off topic So you don't know why the B & W Minstrels show was axed, why then say another was wrong.................................. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, transam said: So you don't know why the B & W Minstrels show was axed, why then say another was wrong.................................. He at least tied the show to the topic of cross race actors. Therefore, on topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, proton said: Neither was true, Cleopatra 7th was a direct descendent of Ptolemy Alexander the greats general who ruled Egypt after his death. There is no evidence of even any Egyptian forebears never mind black. Afro centrics sometimes claim her grandmother was Egyptian but there is no proof. You only have to look at her image on coins to see there are no black features, likewise on the few surviving busts and on temple walls like at Dendera. Just another pathetic attempt to shoehorn blacks into a history which does not belong to them, but wear corn row and they scream cultural appropriation I know about it, That's why I wrote "unlikely". By early periods I meant around 2000+ years before Cleopatra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: He at least tied the show to the topic of cross race actors. Therefore, on topic. You call a bloke a troll when YOU don't know the answer.........Gawd... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, transam said: You call a bloke a troll when YOU don't know the answer.........Gawd... Do I need to spell out the answer for you to be convinced? You're intent on deflection from the topic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Myran Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Because her race is completely irrelevant to her life, so much so that her actual race is the subject of speculation. Are you suggesting that black actors should be confined to roles portraying known black people and white actors should be confined to portraying white people? Pandering to the black community? You have an unhealthy preoccupation with race issues. While I get where you're coming from, the one who made this about race is the person who's making this movie, Jada Smith. "We don’t often get to see or hear stories about black queens, and that was really important for me, as well as for my daughter, and just for my community to be able to know those stories because there are tons of them!" – Jada Smith. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 Just now, ozimoron said: Do I need to spell out the answer for you to be convinced? You're intent on deflection from the topic. Oh really, not you calling a member a troll for nothing then......................? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Myran said: While I get where you're coming from, the one who made this about race is the person who's making this movie, Jada Smith. "We don’t often get to see or hear stories about black queens, and that was really important for me, as well as for my daughter, and just for my community to be able to know those stories because there are tons of them!" – Jada Smith. He was just leveling up the playing field. He was entitled to select any actress of any race for the part simply because it was irrelevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Myran Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: He was just leveling up the playing field. He was entitled to select any actress of any race for the part simply because it was irrelevant. Read and understand what I write if you're going to reply. Jada Smith is a woman and is making the claim that Cleopatra the historical figure was black, which the evidence points against. That's the issue, not necessarily that a black actress was chosen. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StayinThailand2much Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, bendejo said: Thanks to 21st century movies I am learning that there were a lot more Black folks in 19th century Britain than I would have guessed, and a lot more upper-class intermarrying with them too (...) I remember a TV series a couple years ago about life and independence struggle in 13th-century rural Wales, with lots of characters played by black actors. How such a larger number of Africans (or by the looks African-Americans) got to Wales in the 13th century, living and acting like any other Welsh peasants, who knows... Maybe just a reflection what Hollywood filmmakers know about the rest of the world. Edited April 23, 2023 by StayinThailand2much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Myran said: Read and understand what I write if you're going to reply. Jada Smith is a woman and is making the claim that Cleopatra the historical figure was black, which the evidence points against. That's the issue, not necessarily that a black actress was chosen. Do you have a link to her claiming that Cleopatra was black? I again assert that her casting choice was about equal opportunity in the industry and nothing more. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 21 hours ago, candide said: While it is very possible there were black pharaohs in early periods of the empire, it is unlikely Cleopatra was black. Then, as many issues, it has been poluted by politicization from different groups, Anyway, does it really matter when It's about entertainment? There is no DNA evidence that early Pharaoh's were black Africans. The claim comes from much later around 700 BC when the Kush 'empire' invaded and ruled a weakened Egypt. They had nothing to do with ancient Egypt they were merely colonisers for a time. Does Cleopatra look black? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, proton said: There is no DNA evidence that early Pharaoh's were black Africans. The claim comes from much later around 700 BC when the Kush 'empire' invaded and ruled a weakened Egypt. They had nothing to do with ancient Egypt they were merely colonisers for a time. Does Cleopatra look black? Again, I never claimed Cleopatra was black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 A beautiful woman is a beautiful woman. I like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Do you have a link to her claiming that Cleopatra was black? I again assert that her casting choice was about equal opportunity in the industry and nothing more. link to back this claim please. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, stoner said: link to back this claim please. You'll be lucky....???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, candide said: Again, I never claimed Cleopatra was black. I never suggested you did, but you did suggest it was very possible early Pharaoh's were black, there is no evidence to show that is true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 2009 Posted April 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2023 1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said: It's called artistic licence. They weren't making a documentary ???? Until I see them cast a white person to play a black historical figure, I'll call it pandering. But we all know that won't happen. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, stoner said: link to back this claim please. Her quote explicitly said that. She did not make the claim that Cleopatra was black or even imply it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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