One suspect believed to be dead in shooting at Texas mall, source says; police searching for possible second suspect

[billd766]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

No can do.

 

Guns are "protected".

 

 

 

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

The PLCAA is codified at 15 U.S.C. §§ 7901–7903.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/7902

Of course they can do it.

 

The stumbling block is as usual, the GOP, the republicans who automatically oppose anything that the Democrats propose.

 

It is long past time yhat the current mob, I cannot call them a political party were kicked out of the house and the senate and a new lot brought in who WILL work for the USA and ALL its people.

 

That means in all states and at federal level. That is not to say get rid of the GOP, just the current incumbents, and replace them with party members who ARE willing to work for the country and NOT the current party line.

 

The Democrats may have to go the same way.

[bamnutsak]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Of course they can do it.

Who can do what?

 

Or are you referring to time travel back to before 2005 when this law was passed?

 

The law is quite simple and straight-forward:

 

15 U.S. Code § 7902

 

(a)In general
A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.

[billd766]

46 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Who can do what?

 

Or are you referring to time travel back to before 2005 when this law was passed?

 

The law is quite simple and straight-forward:

 

15 U.S. Code § 7902

 

(a)In general
A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.

If it is a federal law and was passed in 2005 then the law can be struck down and replaced by another law removing that action.

 

To me that is a bad law, and my common sense says that it should be removed and actions may be brought in any Federal or State court.

 

Bear in mind that the law is 18 years old and things change over the years.

 

The same thing should apply with the second amendment. It was merely an amendment to the constitution over 200 years ago when life was completely different.

 

As an amendment it also could be removed and a new amendment could and should replace it.

[Yellowtail]

It would be nice if our governments in the US would focus more on enforcing exiting laws, including gun laws rather than just pushing legislation that will do nothing. 

 

We've always had a lot of guns in the US, but all of the sudden they're the problem. 

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It would be nice if our governments in the US would focus more on enforcing exiting laws, including gun laws rather than just pushing legislation that will do nothing. 

 

We've always had a lot of guns in the US, but all of the sudden they're the problem. 

The amount of guns keep increasing and the amount of gun deaths keep increasing. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

 

"We've always had a lot of guns in the US, but all of the sudden they're the problem."

All of a sudden????

[Bkk Brian]

Ever wondered what its like to be one of the first on the scene of a mass shooting before first responders get there? Be faced with the sheer terror in front of you. The article below that event described by a brave man who helped as much as he could.

 

Man who witnessed Allen outlet mall shooting describes carnage: 'It's just unfathomable'

Spainhouer said he also found a child, who survived while covered by his protective mother who had been killed.

"When I rolled the mother over, he came out. I asked him if he was OK and he said, 'My mom is hurt, my mom is hurt.' So rather than traumatize him, I pulled him around the corner sat him down and he was covered from head to toe...like somebody poured blood on him."

Spainhouer said what he witnessed Saturday will haunt him for the rest of his life. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/man-witnessed-allen-outlet-mall-shooting/

 

[onthedarkside]

Off topic troll post removed.

[Tug]

Does anyone know what motivated this particular viscous criminal?who was this particular murderous piece of (….)? All I can say is VOTE the cowards out that won’t strengthen gun laws enough is enough 

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

The amount of guns keep increasing and the amount of gun deaths keep increasing. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

 

"We've always had a lot of guns in the US, but all of the sudden they're the problem."

All of a sudden????

But the percentage of households that have guns has not really gone up. Hey, maybe we could try enforcing exiting gun laws...

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Yellowtail

[Misty]

27 minutes ago, Tug said:

Does anyone know what motivated this particular viscous criminal?who was this particular murderous piece of (….)? All I can say is VOTE the cowards out that won’t strengthen gun laws enough is enough 

Yes, by all means everyone VOTE!  But until the primary system is retooled/revised, we may still have tyranny by the minority.

 

In my state even though voting participation has been picking up, the primary system still results in the more moderate candidates being "primaried out" by extremist voters. 

 

Ranked Choice voting is needed. Then moderate politicians with the majority's support can win primaries and elections and we'll no longer have the crazy extremists in either party holding sway.

[Misty]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

It would be nice if our governments in the US would focus more on enforcing exiting laws, including gun laws rather than just pushing legislation that will do nothing. 

 

We've always had a lot of guns in the US, but all of the sudden they're the problem. 

There definitely seems to be a problem.

 

 

 

[still kicking]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Time for a class action against the mall on the basis of not providing a safe environment.

Good one 

[billd766]

56 minutes ago, still kicking said:

Good one 

Whya against the shopping mall?

 

They did nothing wrong.

 

Against the estate of the dead murderer, the gun manufacturers, the gun shops, the Texas State government and ALL the state legislators involved, I agree wholeheartedly.

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Whya against the shopping mall?

 

They did nothing wrong.

 

Against the estate of the dead murderer, the gun manufacturers, the gun shops, the Texas State government and ALL the state legislators involved, I agree wholeheartedly.

You know sarcasm?

[Felton Jarvis]

The "well-regulated militia" strikes again.

[Tug]

4 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

The "well-regulated militia" strikes again.

Ain’t that the truth this particular viscous criminal had rwds  gear on him rwds stands for (right wing death squad) some how I don’t think the founders had that type of militia in mind VOTE people get the politicians out who won’t deal with this!

[Credo]

Here's what one of the guys who tried to render aid to victims had to say:

“I love guns. I love (the) Second Amendment. I own guns. I teach people how to shoot guns. But we don’t need these high-capacity weapons on our streets. All the prayers and thoughts and well wishes in the world are great in time of tragedy, but if you don’t change our gun laws and put red flag laws in place and take these high-capacity weapons off the street, it’s going to happen again."

 

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/allen-texas-mall-shooting-news-05-07-23/index.html

 

[Bkk Brian]

The gunman has been named. "Mauricio Garcia."

 

Authorities have not released a motive, but a patch on his chest said “RWDS,” an acronym that stands for Right Wing Death Squad, according to people familiar with the investigation. The phrase is popular among right wing extremists, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, they said. In addition to the weapons found on his body, investigators found another five guns inside his car nearby, these people said.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/07/allen-texas-mall-shooting-gunman/

 

Here's one of the "Proud Boys" wearing this patch:

File:Proud Boy Jeremy Bertino wearing a Right Wing Death Squad (RWDS) patch