Thai schools to re-introduce disease precautions as Covid cases rise

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, anrcaccount said:

Nowhere else in the world is even thinking about introducing public health safety measures  for covid, focused on children, to prevent spread to adults. 

Wrong about that, re claiming no other place in the world has been thinking about renewed COVID public health safety measures focused on school children.

Coronavirus: Malaysia may reintroduce mask mandate at schools due to resurgence in subvariant Covid cases

• Guidelines and the standard operating procedure will be released before Malaysian schools reopen on May 2
• Since September, the use of face masks on school premises was no longer mandatory, but it was encouraged

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3218538/coronavirus-malaysia-may-reintroduce-mask-mandate-schools-due-resurgence-subvariant-covid-cases

 

"“To control the spread we urge all school-goers to wash their hands frequently and wear face masks in close crowded places, do self-checks and if you feel sick do not go out, use the TRIIS (test, report, isolate, inform and seek) if you catch an infection, use Paxlovid from the nearest health clinic for high risks individuals and get a primer vaccine or booster shot,” Dr Radzi said in a statement today."

 

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/05/health-d-g-finds-slight-uptick-in-covid-19-cases-as-schools-reopen-after-raya-wesak-break-urges-parents-to-monitor-kids/67749

Edited May 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[stoner]

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Forgot. Here it is again. Comment was "It doesn't take a genius to see the trend."

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/weekly-covid-deaths?tab=chart&country=~THA

 there is a very clear distinct trend in this chart. VERY CLEAR. the last real threat was over a year ago. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And further, elsewhere in SE Asia:

 

 

Marcos: Gov’t might require use of face mask again amid rising COVID cases

May 01, 2023

 

WASHINGTON, D.C., United States — President Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr. on Sunday (US time) said the government might bring back the mandatory use of face masks in the Philippines amid the recent rise in COVID-19 cases.

 

Marcos said his administration is studying the current trends of COVID-19, particularly looking at the rate of increase of the occurrence and its baseline, among other factors."

 

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1763195/marcos-says-govt-might-require-use-of-face-mask-again-amid-rising-covid-19-cases

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

COVID cases are rising in multiple countries in SE Asia right now, particularly in India and Malaysia, along with Japan and South Korea elsewhere in Asia, and Thailand is hardly alone in looking at what kinds of public health measures can be deployed to limit the spread.

 

 

"At the country level, the highest numbers of new 28-day cases were reported from the United States of America (392 480 new cases; -37%), the Republic of Korea (330 509 new cases; +22%), Japan (251 158 new cases; +24%), India (222 784 new cases; +540%), and France (197 190 new cases; +2%)."

 

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20230504_weekly_epi_update_141.pdf?sfvrsn=ec8d9490_4&download=true

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[CharlieH]

Inflammatory baiting post reported and removed along with response to it.

[ThailandRyan]

Picked up the daughters new school uniforms today at her school in preparation for class starting on next Tuesday.  The School director and the nurse were present and it was explained to us that they would still be providing hand sanitizer and washing stations as well as doing thorough class room, bathroom and eating area cleanings daily.  No mention of masks were made.

[anrcaccount]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Picked up the daughters new school uniforms today at her school in preparation for class starting on next Tuesday.  The School director and the nurse were present and it was explained to us that they would still be providing hand sanitizer and washing stations as well as doing thorough class room, bathroom and eating area cleanings daily.  No mention of masks were made.

Let hope that's all it is.

 

Those measures are OK. 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Picked up the daughters new school uniforms today at her school in preparation for class starting on next Tuesday.  The School director and the nurse were present and it was explained to us that they would still be providing hand sanitizer and washing stations as well as doing thorough class room, bathroom and eating area cleanings daily.  No mention of masks were made.

Yep. Everyone or should I say almost everyone knows the situation apart from all the Thais still wearing their masks every now and again.

Edited May 9, 2023 by dinsdale

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not sure if there's even been a death from a child without severe comorbidities from Omicron.

The WHO says more than 400 COVID deaths of children age under 5 years of age in the past year. More than 1.4 million reported COVID infections in that age group during the same period.

 

Once again, you're long on unsourced speculation, and short on facts.

 

 

 

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[anrcaccount]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Wrong about that, re claiming no other place in the world has been thinking about renewed COVID public health safety measures focused on school children.

Coronavirus: Malaysia may reintroduce mask mandate at schools due to resurgence in subvariant Covid cases

• Guidelines and the standard operating procedure will be released before Malaysian schools reopen on May 2
• Since September, the use of face masks on school premises was no longer mandatory, but it was encouraged

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3218538/coronavirus-malaysia-may-reintroduce-mask-mandate-schools-due-resurgence-subvariant-covid-cases

 

"“To control the spread we urge all school-goers to wash their hands frequently and wear face masks in close crowded places, do self-checks and if you feel sick do not go out, use the TRIIS (test, report, isolate, inform and seek) if you catch an infection, use Paxlovid from the nearest health clinic for high risks individuals and get a primer vaccine or booster shot,” Dr Radzi said in a statement today."

 

https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2023/05/05/health-d-g-finds-slight-uptick-in-covid-19-cases-as-schools-reopen-after-raya-wesak-break-urges-parents-to-monitor-kids/67749

You have trawled deep into the internet to find 3/195 countries "considering" measures. 

 

I guess they know something the other 192 countries in the world don't?

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, anrcaccount said:

You have trawled deep into the internet to find 3/195 countries "considering" measures. 

 

I guess they know something the other 192 countries in the world don't?

 

 They know this, as previously posted and linked above:

 

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The WHO says more than 400 COVID deaths of children age under 5 years of age in the past year. More than 1.4 million reported COVID infections in that age group during the same period.

 

 

 

 

 

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYWRiZWVkNWUtNmM0Ni00MDAwLTljYWMtN2EwNTM3YjQzYmRmIiwidCI6ImY2MTBjMGI3LWJkMjQtNGIzOS04MTBiLTNkYzI4MGFmYjU5MCIsImMiOjh9

 

So this is globally and also confirmed or probable. As unfortunate and sad as it is I will guarantee you starvation, dysentery and malaria just to mention a few have taken 1000's probably 10's of thousands of more childrens lives in this period. Again the stats you keep posting are only raw numbers with no breakdown of comorbidities nevertheless these charts show that it is a very rare occurance and it's for under 5's.  Thanks for the info.

Edited May 9, 2023 by dinsdale

[ThailandRyan]

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. Everyone or should I say almost everyone knows the situation apart from all the Thais still wearing their masks every now and again.

Just because it was not discussed today does not mean in another week as cases seem to be moving upwards that it wont become a possibility.  At the school today almost all of the parents were wearing masks along with there children. Since they have been away from school now for almost 8 weeks and away from each other it made sense to me and why we were masked up.  BTW so was the school staff.

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just because it was not discussed today does not mean in another week as cases seem to be moving upwards that it wont become a possibility.  At the school today almost all of the parents were wearing masks along with there children. Since they have been away from school now for almost 8 weeks and away from each other it made sense to me and why we were masked up.  BTW so was the school staff.

They're doing it because they've been told to do it? It's a dictate from above. This is what get's me how much of this is based on science? Will they still be doing temp checks with those useless scanners? Fever is one of the lesser symptoms of Omicron. These kids will be taking their masks down for sure. 

Edited May 9, 2023 by dinsdale

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

They're doing it because they've been told to do it? This is what get's me how much of this is based on science? Will they still be doing temp checks with those useless scanners? Fever is one of the lesser symptoms of Omicron. These kids will be taking their masks down for sure. 

Well as usual unless you can post a verifiable link which supports your view, "that they will be taking there masks down" if wearing them, then we shall agree to disagree and I will move on instead of reading the unverified non scientific information you are providing. 

 

In fact looking at a few news articles such as the one linked below it appears that Covid monitoring will be continued even in the US as well as other countries surrounding us here including Thailand.

 

https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/cdc-monitoring-of-covid-19-will-remain-a-priority/article_e6d225ef-6cfd-5f9b-903b-93d243a048ce.html, "Monitoring the impact of COVID-19 and the effectiveness of prevention and control strategies continues to be a public health priority during the transition from the emergency phase of the COVID-19 response to routine public health practice," Silk and colleagues write.

Edited May 9, 2023 by ThailandRyan

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Well as usual unless you can post a verifiable link which supports your view, "that they will be taking there masks down" if wearing them, then we shall agree to disagree and I will move on instead of reading the unverified non scientific information you are providing. 

 

In fact looking at a few news articles such as the one linked below it appears that Covid monitoring will be continued even in the US as well as other countries surrounding us here including Thailand.

 

https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/cdc-monitoring-of-covid-19-will-remain-a-priority/article_e6d225ef-6cfd-5f9b-903b-93d243a048ce.html, "Monitoring the impact of COVID-19 and the effectiveness of prevention and control strategies continues to be a public health priority during the transition from the emergency phase of the COVID-19 response to routine public health practice," Silk and colleagues write.

Sorry mate but I wasn't talking at all about the efficacy of masks. I was talking about the dictates that come down from above and are these dictates based on science? My last statement about kids taking their masks down will hold true. Maybe a day or two but they'll come down. Fairly sure there's no "verifiable link" to this but I reckon my eyes will be good enough. Ask your kid after the 1st day at school.

[Bim Smith]

Rather than panic people with this nonsense and the kids are once again on the frontline in terms of paying a price let's see the breakdown of these deaths. Vaccinated or not. And was the cause of death from Covid primary, secondary or incidental. We are not falling for this again

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And as regards children's COVID-associated deaths in the U.S. during 2022, which includes the Omicron period during that year -- the CDC says 586 deaths for the year from newborns to age 14, actually a significant increase from the 418 for the same age groups in 2021, and that was an increase over 2020.

 

So anyone claiming children can't and don't die from COVID is simply wrong... Their share of deaths is small compared to the older population group deaths. But there nonetheless are hundreds of children's COVID deaths every year, even during the period of Omicron, as reported separately by the WHO and the U.S. CDC:

 

 

In CDC speak, a COVID associated death means the death certificate determined either that COVID was the underlying/primary cause of death or a contributing cause, along with other factors.

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a4.htm?s_cid=mm7218a4_e&ACSTrackingID=USCDC_921-DM104749&ACSTrackingLabel=This Week in MMWR%3A Vol. 72%2C May 5%2C 2023&deliveryName=USCDC_921-DM104749#T1_down

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

This study below looked at COVID deaths in the U.S. for a slightly broader age group, from 0 to 19 years of age, so called CYP (Children and Young People).

 

January 30, 2023

Assessment of COVID-19 as the Underlying Cause of Death Among Children and Young People Aged 0 to 19 Years in the US

 

Findings  Among children and young people aged 0 to 19 years in the US, COVID-19 ranked eighth among all causes of deaths, fifth in disease-related causes of deaths (excluding unintentional injuries, assault, and suicide), and first in deaths caused by infectious or respiratory diseases. COVID-19 deaths constituted 2% of all causes of death in this age group.

 

Importance  COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death for more than 940 000 individuals in the US, including at least 1289 children and young people (CYP) aged 0 to 19 years, with at least 821 CYP deaths occurring in the 1-year period from August 1, 2021, to July 31, 2022.

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2800816

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[still kicking]

I have not warn a mask in nearly 2 years, I had 4 shots of Pfizer plus my annual flu shot and I am in the dangerous age and I don't know or see anybody who wears a mask but then again I live in the west

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, still kicking said:

I have not warn a mask in nearly 2 years, I had 4 shots of Pfizer plus my annual flu shot and I am in the dangerous age and I don't know or see anybody who wears a mask but then again I live in the west

You mean someplace like the U.S. or U.K., perhaps, which both had among the highest rates of COVID deaths in the world among developed countries?

 

That's not a record most people would want to be proud of.

 

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You mean someplace like the U.S. or U.K., perhaps, which both had among the highest rates of COVID deaths in the world among developed countries?

 

That's not a record most people would want to be proud of.

 

I live in OZ 

[rattlesnake]

They've all had multiple shots 

28 minutes ago, Bim Smith said:

Rather than panic people with this nonsense and the kids are once again on the frontline in terms of paying a price let's see the breakdown of these deaths. Vaccinated or not. And was the cause of death from Covid primary, secondary or incidental. We are not falling for this again

Indeed. We were told the only way out of this was to multiple-inject the vast majority of the population. People complied to this. So where is the problem?

[dinsdale]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

You mean someplace like the U.S. or U.K., perhaps, which both had among the highest rates of COVID deaths in the world among developed countries?

 

That's not a record most people would want to be proud of.

 

Tis true. But were these high numbers of deaths from Delta or Omicron. Let's not conflate the past with the present. One might think this would skew the facts. Not sure why anyone would want to do this. The worst of Covid is over. This is a supportable fact. Damn even the useless WHO has said so.

Edited May 9, 2023 by dinsdale

[kingstonkid]

9 hours ago, anrcaccount said:

There is no rational justification for masking children at this point in the pandemic. Indefensible. 

 

Simply astounding that this is being reported. 

as strange as t sounds a lot of parents have continued to mask their kids and have not stopped.  The masking is more now about cold and flu than I think COVID.

 

Why are the numbers in SE Asia higher?  China has started letting its people come to these coutnries as tourists. I am wiling to bet is a factor.

[BKKBike09]

12 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Why are the numbers in SE Asia higher? 

Maybe because it's hot season across much of SE Asia so more people gravitate to aircon environments? In Europe it's spring so more people spend more time outside? Plus people do tend to spend more time in big family groups in SE Asia. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

BTW, anyone here who thinks Omicron has been easier on young children compared to its COVID predecessors is sorely mistaken... Not only have COVID deaths among children risen in the U.S. from 2020 to 2021 to 2022, as detailed above...

 

But also, the CDC noted the following in March 2022:

 

 

"During March 1, 2020–February 19, 2022, weekly hospitalization rates (hospitalized patients per 100,000 infants and children aged 0–4 years) peaked during Omicron predominance, in the week ending January 8, 2022, at 14.5. This peak hospitalization rate during Omicron predominance was approximately five times the peak during Delta predominance (2.9) (week ending September 11, 2021) (RR = 5.0; 95% CI = 3.8–6.8). Hospitalization rates among infants aged <6 months were approximately six times as high during the peak week of Omicron predominance (68.1) as during Delta predominance (11.1) (RR = 6.1; 95% CI = 3.9–10.0);"

 

"Similarly, ICU admission rates during Omicron predominance peaked at approximately 3.5 times the peak rate during Delta predominance."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7111e2.htm

 

 

And then there was this:

Unvaccinated children hospitalized at twice the rate during Omicron surge -U.S. study

April 20, 2022

 

"April 19 (Reuters) - Hospitalization rates for unvaccinated children ages 5 to 11 were twice as high as among those who were vaccinated during the record COVID-19 surge caused by the Omicron variant, according to a U.S. study released on Tuesday.

 

For every 100,000 unvaccinated children in the age group, 19.1 per were hospitalized with COVID-19 between mid-December and late February, compared with 9.2 per 100,000 vaccinated kids, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported.

...

It found that among the 397 children who were hospitalized with COVID when Omicron was dominant, 87% were unvaccinated, one third had no underlying medical conditions, and 19% were admitted to an intensive care unit."

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unvaccinated-children-hospitalized-twice-rate-during-omicron-surge-us-study-2022-04-19/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, connda said:

Yeah, rebreathing CO2 will make them much smarter.

 

Your sarcastic comment above is continuing to repeat disproven misinformation...

 

Fact check: Face masks do not cause “terrible damage” to the brain by depriving it of oxygen

By Reuters Staff

A video being shared online has falsely said face coverings do nothing to stop the spread of the novel coronavirus and will instead deprive the brain of oxygen, causing damage to adults and developmental issues in children.

...

Firstly, there is no evidence to suggest face masks cause oxygen deprivation that is “dangerous” to adult brains or that prevent a youthful brain from developing properly. A study from U.S. researchers in July found an average face mask did not limit the flow of oxygen to the lungs – and even in test subjects with severe lung diseases (here)."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-oxygen/fact-check-face-masks-do-not-cause-terrible-damage-to-the-brain-by-depriving-it-of-oxygen-idUSKBN2761ZW

 

And

 

Fact Check-Masks do not expose children to dangerous levels of carbon dioxide

By Reuters Fact Check

August 3, 2021

 

Online claims that children wearing face masks for COVID-19 are being exposed to dangerous levels of carbon dioxide are false. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends face masks for children over the age of two for protection against the spread of COVID-19."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-masks-children/fact-check-masks-do-not-expose-children-to-dangerous-levels-of-carbon-dioxide-idUSL1N2P929B

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, Snugs08 said:

Dont go OTT though here  -  Scientists raise concerns about popular COVID disinfectants https://phys.org/news/2023-05-scientists-popular-covid-disinfectants.html

 

Soap and water.

 

 

[stoner]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

COVID-19 deaths constituted 2% of all causes of death in this age group.

so for all of the deaths in this age group covid made up 2 %  ???

 

in almost every measure of life that is considered statistically nil or an overwhelming minority. 

 

you could also word that article another way

 

covid is such a non burger in persons aged 0-19 it only accounts for 2 percent of the total death in that bracket. more focus now to be placed on means of death with real percentages and larger much more serious death tolls. 

 

 pm2.5 and pollution is directly related to the death of approx 30k thai every year........about the total number of covid deaths. why are there not constant articles daily about the pollution death count and hospital admissions - which is far far far greater than covid is or ever was. 

 

i recall a few months back that 2 million thai had to seek medical help from this years pollution...... now that's a real danger.