End of employment, end of Non-B visa, what happens next?

[Ralf001]

34 minutes ago, DrJoy said:

Wrong. You have to exit the same day before the clock strikes midnight

And that day is 24hrs long.

[asf6]

But immigration don't open until 7.30am or 8am. 

[Pib]

I think a lot of people confuse the 7 day extension you can get on the day you cancel the Non B extension as meaning you have a 7 day grace period to go cancel the extension.  

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

Out of interest, why was your age an issue? 

Rules of the private school, 2 Thai teachers were released at the same time, at least I got to finish the term and not finished on my 60th birthday.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, LogicThai said:

My company arranged the entire process: Cancellation of the WP and the Non-B, and Immigration granted 21 days, during which I secured a Non-O (Retirement).

Retrospectively, I probably should have gone for a Non-O (Marriage), because my Non-O (Retirement) is incompatible with a new WP. But Non-O (Retirement) is so much easier and faster to secure. It only took 45 minutes at Immigration.

That's interesting.

Why is a Non-O retirement incompatible?

I thought people can retire and then apply for a Non-B visa if they want to work again. Or not?

 

[xtrnuno41]

BIgt3116 gave a link and i got further on that, as all has to do with was said in there.

SO i found on on internet.

 https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/29-Public-Handbook-2.28-certification-or-request-made-by-an-embassy-or-consulate.pdf

In there they speak about 21 consideration time working days and not 3 weeks, as weekend is not working day, tough. That was said in Frank legal and tax. But all has to do prior for ending permit.

Also about this is already in Asean now, link 

Maybe you can work with that all?

[LogicThai]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That's interesting.

Why is a Non-O retirement incompatible?

I thought people can retire and then apply for a Non-B visa if they want to work again. Or not?

 

Well, yes, whatever your current Permission to Stay, you can cancel it and apply for a Non-B, and then a WP. That's the common path. Depending your starting point, you may have to leave the country and apply for your Non-B abroad, as is the case for a Non-O Retirement. Other PtS (improperly called Visa) may allow a direct shift. When I did that, borders were still closed, they had me cancel my Non-O, made me apply for a COVID-Special or whatever it was, and from there a Non-B.

The point of preferring a Non-O (Marriage) (or Parent of a Thai child, for that matter) is that you do not need to cancel your current PtS, you can keep it as it is and right away apply for a Work Permit.

Edited May 11, 2023 by LogicThai

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

I just went through this, to end my nearly decade long LOS stint. It's definitely not automatic, you must push and babysit them along the way:

 

1) Coordinate with the employer your official final day of work. Doesn't mean you're actually still working, but it should be a day not more than 7 days before your flight out.

2) Your employer has to take two forms to the labor office: an end of work form with your final day, and power of attorney form, saying the employee who goes to the labor office is acting on behalf of the school/company director. They have to sign both. They get these from the labor office.

3) Now here's the problem. The labor office takes these two forms and uses them to make the form I have pictured. Most importantly, underlined it reads "birab chang" (notice) and "ook chak nang" (out from work), next to which is your name. At the top, blanked area is your employer and passport number. Bottom of the form, covered by the receipts, is the labor office official's signature and stamp.

4) Labor office must finish this form, and you must take it to immigration for your 7 day extension, ON THE SAME DAY. Hahaha. But of course this is Amazing Thailand, and it wouldn't be if everything worked as it should, now would it?

5) Labor office calls to say my form is ready. I pick it up and it says the previous day when they had started it, the 20th. It's now the 21st. They got me on one day overstay. It's the second time it's happened in my LOS teaching career, as well as to several of my colleagues who they got for even more days, while either the school or labor office employees were busy on Facebook or Lazada or whatever.

6) People are complaining about that exit tax being proposed, well hah look at this. 1900 for the 7 day extension, and 500 for the overstay, 2400 baht, that many of us pay to get out.

 

Oh well, back in the States now. No more overstay, no more 90 day reports, no more 40+ degree heat, only waiting for my new job to begin, and practicing for the driving test for my new license. I'll be back someday, but not for work. Cheers all.

Edited May 11, 2023 by CrunchWrapSupreme

[bigt3116]

14 hours ago, LennyW said:

It is cancelled if your visa is based on employment, the company are responsible. BOI company 7 days grace, non BOI 24 hours.

How wrong can you be? VISAS are not cancelled and if you have an EXTENSION that is cancelled and you leave THAT DAY -no 24 hours grace! (for non-BOI, which is most people).

Edited May 11, 2023 by bigt3116
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[asf6]

Thanks for your detailed post, CrunchWrapSupreme. 

 

The last time I did it, I went to the Labour Office in the morning and waited there (in the office where they could see me) until they had finished. I then went to Immigration in the afternoon. 

[bangkok blue]

On 5/11/2023 at 6:55 PM, LogicThai said:

My company arranged the entire process: Cancellation of the WP and the Non-B, and Immigration granted 21 days, during which I secured a Non-O (Retirement).

Retrospectively, I probably should have gone for a Non-O (Marriage), because my Non-O (Retirement) is incompatible with a new WP. But Non-O (Retirement) is so much easier and faster to secure. It only took 45 minutes at Immigration.

Dear LogicThai,

 

I am in exactly same situation. I'm investigating if I can change my Non Imm B to a Non Imm O (marriage & also have daughter). May I ask what documents you needed? Any bank statements? How helpful were Immigration about the transfer? Any advice appreciated. 🙏

[LogicThai]

4 hours ago, bangkok blue said:

Dear LogicThai,

 

I am in exactly same situation. I'm investigating if I can change my Non Imm B to a Non Imm O (marriage & also have daughter). May I ask what documents you needed? Any bank statements? How helpful were Immigration about the transfer? Any advice appreciated. 🙏

Well, what I did was getting a Non-O Retirement, for which the documents were simply my passport, the letter from the bank, the bank statements, a copy of the bank book, and my wife's ID and Tabien Ban. My Non-B had been cancelled and I had 15 days to apply for something else (the Non-O Re in my case). Immigration in Buriram was great, they handled all the paperwork, I just had to sit and wait 45 minutes or so, then the IO made me sign all the forms, and that was it. Cost was 2,000 Baht (as it was a new application, not an extension), and 3,900 Baht for the Multiple Re-entry stamp.

The IO indicated that it would take longer and require more paperwork if I wanted a Non-O Marriage or Parent of a Thai child, and that if I did not need a work permit, it was very advisable to stick to a Non-O Re.

[BritTim]

12 minutes ago, LogicThai said:

Immigration in Buriram was great, they handled all the paperwork, I just had to sit and wait 45 minutes or so, then the IO made me sign all the forms, and that was it. Cost was 2,000 Baht (as it was a new application, not an extension), and 3,900 Baht for the Multiple Re-entry stamp.

It was an extension, not a new visa application, and I will bet that your receipt reflected that (1,900 baht). However, given that they were friendly, it might have been prudent to have let that go.

 

They are correct that a retirement extension is much simpler (especially for them, but also for you) than an extension based on Thai spouse or child).

[bangkok blue]

Thank you @LogicThai

Any idea if Non imm O based on marriage and child doable within 21 day window?

[BritTim]

3 minutes ago, bangkok blue said:

Any idea if Non imm O based on marriage and child doable within 21 day window?

You can apply for any extension for which you qualify up to the end of your permission to stay.

[mokwit]

On 5/10/2023 at 11:08 PM, JeffersLos said:

7 days to leave the country or apply for an extension with all requirements met. 

Don't you have to get that at immigration - not automatic. Isn't it cancel WP at labour office on last day and then same day go to immigration to cancel visa? You apply for an extension and are given 7 days to get out stamp - without this you have to leave same day?

 

Shows how welcome we are, we got your knowledge transfer, now get out.

[LogicThai]

4 hours ago, bangkok blue said:

Thank you @LogicThai

Any idea if Non imm O based on marriage and child doable within 21 day window?

I don't know, but I would assume so. The Non-O Marriage requires more paperwork and Immigration needs to perform a home visit, which adds a delay to the process. But I would imagine that if justified, they can give you a short extension, or a conditional permission to stay "Upon Consideration" or whatever suits their process. 

Nonetheless, it is advisable to go to your Immigration Office as soon as possible and ask them what to do. Be polite, calm, dress appropriately, smile and wai, and see what they have to say. There are many horror stories about Thai Immigration, but in my experience, they have always been perfectly reasonable and helpful.