9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Not all Trump supporters are racist but all racists are Trump supporters. 

Racist Trump supporters like Nury Martinez, Ron Herrera, Kevin de Leon and Gil Cedillo? OK, I see.

18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The 2020 elections are in the past , time to deal with the 2024 election 

Then why does 45 keep bringing it up? 

1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Maybe, But it has nothing to do with the post I replied to.

It was my post with the point being I get why some billionaires like Trump. I just don’t understand why non-racist, working class people do any more. I get that he was appealing back in 2020 with the promise of bringing back industry to the US (a mostly failed policy) and distance the US from world politics (easier said than done) but in the 4 years all he did was reduce taxes on the rich, demonize immigrants, weaken Americas standing on the world stage, set neighbor against neighbor and cry like a baby when he legitimately lost the election. 
Everything that came out of his mouth then was a lie and I don’t see any change now. But people have voted against their own interests for millennia so I suppose that’ll happen again in 2024 (if he’s not in jail). 
 

5 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Racist Trump supporters like Nury Martinez, Ron Herrera, Kevin de Leon and Gil Cedillo? OK, I see.

No like David Duke, The KKK, The Proud Boys and every single white nationalist in America. 

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Everytime a poster claims Trump did an excellent job sparring with CNN host, the only defense is "Trump Lies" Newsflash people politicians lie, biden lies. If it comes down to biden vs Trump, I bet Trump takes the cake home.

"If it comes down to biden vs Trump, I bet Trump takes the cake home".

 

Yes you are quite right, trump would take the "take-home" for the amount of lies told, no doubt about that.

 

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now this is exactly what I'm talking about. They "fact check" Trump by using their own opinions and more often than not Trump is more correct than the fact checker. For example

 

Fact check "He wrongly claimed that U.S. gasoline prices reached $9 under Biden. The highest weekly average price under Biden was about $5 in June 2022."

 

Actual reality "MENDOCINO, Calif. -- If you think gas prices are bad here in the Central Valley, be glad you're not filling up in the Northern California community of Mendocino.

Schlafer's Auto Repair is selling regular gas for $9.60 for a gallon."

https://abc30.com/california-gas-10-dollars-a-gallon-highest-prices-in-country-mendocino/11932601/

 

So technically he is correct, yes OK it's not a national average but he did not claim the national average was $9. I'd say Trump is clearly more on the factual side than the fact checker. And most of the fact checks are questionable for the same reason.

And of course, people who watched Trump's speech perfectly knew it was only in Mendocino! ????

 

Anyway, it was not his biggest lie about energy. His biggest lie was to pretend that global oil prices depend on production in the U.S. Global prices depend on the global supply and demand, and a small increase or decrease in U.S. production has very little impact.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics/transcript-cnn-town-hall-trump/index.html

On 5/11/2023 at 11:22 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Note he didn't need a cheat sheet and pre-prepared questions(a practise which i am assured is fine and normal in modern democracies). I like it Trumps way, it shows a persons mental abilities and seems more authentic, to me anyway.

Your choice of what you like to watch, not mine, not ata ll.

 

More to the point this is not a man (man?) I woud want to be running my country. 

 

His continuous lies and acts of division are not the traits of a good, focused, balanced, honest, intelligent, respectful and sincere leader. 

2 hours ago, Skallywag said:

All debates and interviews should be immediately fact checked by ChatGBT.  Networks should all have a 3 second delay, then if the ChatGBT says it is a false statement, that statement is muted when aired 3 seconds later.

For pete's sake, we have the technology ,use it in real time so listeners do not have to wait and go to a fact checking site later (which many will not do)

Also this will not give followers any more claims, saying they "heard" it from their prophet so it must be true.   

Simple solution IMO

Does one need ChatGPT to be informed that elections were not rigged?

Did the widespread information about it prevent his followers to believe in the Big Lie (including in this forum)?

You are too optimistic!

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Not really. But if the fascist party forces a debt default crashing the dollar, the stock market, and global economies, now that will be a big issue. 

All these things are ready to go anyway. Scapegoating in advance?

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Then why does 45 keep bringing it up? 

People keep asking him questions about it and he replies 

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

It was my post with the point being I get why some billionaires like Trump. I just don’t understand why non-racist, working class people do any more. I get that he was appealing back in 2020 with the promise of bringing back industry to the US (a mostly failed policy) and distance the US from world politics (easier said than done) but in the 4 years all he did was reduce taxes on the rich, demonize immigrants, weaken Americas standing on the world stage, set neighbor against neighbor and cry like a baby when he legitimately lost the election. 
Everything that came out of his mouth then was a lie and I don’t see any change now. But people have voted against their own interests for millennia so I suppose that’ll happen again in 2024 (if he’s not in jail). 
 

Perhaps people liked;

 

a/ no new wars

b/ killing terrorist leaders

c/ Middle East peace agreements

d/ 2% and sub 2% inflation

e/ continuously declining unemployment

f/ $2.00-2.50 a gallon gas

g/ sub 500,000 illegal immigrant apprehensions, quadrupled last year.

Troll posts continuing to bait others have been removed.  Enough is enough move on or face a posting suspension.

16 hours ago, Tug said:

Most Americans are deeply concerned about the budget this threat on defaulting on the debt isent a budgetary issue it’s about paying debt allready accrued when the BUDGET is asked for that is the proper venue to address the issue tanking our credit worthiness isent it’s dangerous and harmful 

I do recall the topic of the USA's debt coming up about 20 years ago and the USA's solution seemed to be to spend more and increase the debt .

   You don't need to be an economist to realise that you cannot just keep in creasing the debt .

  POTUS just seem to keep spending and increasing the debt and just passing it onto the next POTUS 

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'll take it, sign me up. I think Trump is a dick but I'll take him over biden any day.

Agree on what you call him..................

 

Trump’s most enduring legacy could be the historic rise in the national debt

It rose almost $7.8 trillion during his time in the White House — approaching World War II levels, relative to the size of the economy. This time around, it will be much harder to dig ourselves out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/14/trump-legacy-national-debt-increasee/

 

25% of the US National Debt Incurred During Trump Administration

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-debt-25-percent/

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Agree on what you call him..................

 

Trump’s most enduring legacy could be the historic rise in the national debt

It rose almost $7.8 trillion during his time in the White House — approaching World War II levels, relative to the size of the economy. This time around, it will be much harder to dig ourselves out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/14/trump-legacy-national-debt-increasee/

 

25% of the US National Debt Incurred During Trump Administration

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-debt-25-percent/

Although $3.7 Trillion of Trumps debt was due to Covid relief measures

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although $3.7 Trillion of Trumps debt was due to Covid relief measures

Despite Trump's promises to reduce it the national debt was increasing before the pandemic

 

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Despite Trump's promises to reduce it the national debt was increasing before the pandemic

 

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

 

  As you can see from the graph above , the national debt continued rising at its normal rate under Trump and only began to significantly increase when Covid hit  .

   (Graph from your link)

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

 

  As you can see from the graph above , the national debt continued rising at its normal rate under Trump and only began to significantly increase when Covid hit  .

   (Graph from your link)

I'm not sure what point your trying to make, his promise was to decrease it, instead he increased it even before the pandemic. 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I'm not sure what point your trying to make, his promise was to decrease it, instead he increased it even before the pandemic. 

Trump did state that he would decrease  the National debt over the period of eighth years , the idea was to give tax cuts to people and that would spur the economy , then Covid came long and Trump wasn't able to continue his plan and he didn't serve eight years 

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Trump did state that he would decrease  the National debt over the period of eighth years , the idea was to give tax cuts to people and that would spur the economy , then Covid came long and Trump wasn't able to continue his plan and he didn't serve eight years 

That idea didn't work out to well for him, to achieve anything like it would have needed him to be elected again. He lost, although he falsely claims it was rigged  and there was certainly no indication that his promise was going in the right direction anyway, even before the virus hit.

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Trump did state that he would decrease  the National debt over the period of eighth years , the idea was to give tax cuts to people and that would spur the economy , then Covid came long and Trump wasn't able to continue his plan and he didn't serve eight years 

That was a an election campaign promise.

 

As he only did keep 23% of those promises, I would suggest that his statement was disingenuous.

 

Trickledown economics is a fallacy perpetrated  by those who are ingratiated by it. 

 

And did Trump ingratiate himself.

 

Though Trump rarely paid any tax, the richest only then paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24%.

 

And the middle and lower classes would have particularly loved the personal jet purchase full tax right off.

 

Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years | The Hill

 

Trump-O-Meter : Tracking Trump's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

 

Trump’s tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working class for first time | US economy | The Guardian

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

That idea didn't work out to well for him, to achieve anything like it would have needed him to be elected again. He lost, although he falsely claims it was rigged  and there was certainly no indication that his promise was going in the right direction anyway, even before the virus hit.

Although I seem to recall that he said "I think I could do it fairly quickly...I would say over a period of eight years," when speaking about reducing the deficit 

So , that isn't a promise , so he cannot be accused of breaking promises or lying in this instance 

33 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although I seem to recall that he said "I think I could do it fairly quickly...I would say over a period of eight years," when speaking about reducing the deficit 

So , that isn't a promise , so he cannot be accused of breaking promises or lying in this instance 

Maybe this will refresh your recall.

 

Please refer:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1294584-trump-ignites-fresh-controversy-after-outlandish-primetime-appearance-on-cnn/?do=findComment&comment=18082020

 

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps people liked;

 

a/ no new wars

b/ killing terrorist leaders

c/ Middle East peace agreements

d/ 2% and sub 2% inflation

e/ continuously declining unemployment

f/ $2.00-2.50 a gallon gas

g/ sub 500,000 illegal immigrant apprehensions, quadrupled last year.

It's real scraping the bottom of the barrel stuff here as I know how hard it must be for you to find some redeeming qualities.

 

a/ no new wars - I don't understand why Trump fans keep  going on about 'no new wars'. There's been plenty of Presidents who didn't start any wars so it's like praising someone for not murdering their wife or not having sex with the family pet.

b/ killing terrorist leaders - not the main one though. That's Obama isn't it?

c/ Middle East peace agreements - surely to have peace you must first have war. Didn't see too many wars between Israel and the UAE, Bahrain and Sudan did you?

d/ 2% and sub 2% inflation - after being left with a booming economy and relatively little economic woes, Trump did nothing but keep the status quo as far as inflation is concerned. Congratulations for having to do nothing.

e/ continuously declining unemployment - thanks to Obama he inherited low unemployment but this disintegrated during the pandemic or are you just not counting those years he was POTUS as the figures are 'inconvenient'?

f/ $2.00-2.50 a gallon gas - didn't have Russia invade Ukraine. Well done!

g/ sub 500,000 illegal immigrant apprehensions, quadrupled last year. No one has or will ever sort out the US immigration problem. Trump certainly didn't and added to the problem with inane 'wall building' and locking children in cages.

 

To me the man did nothing of any great worth unless (as I stated earlier) you are a billionaire. He doesn't deserve to be POTUS again on 6 main things:-
1. He defrauded his own charity.

2. His mishandling of the pandemic leading to the USA having more deaths than any other country at 1.2 million.  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/

3. His continued lying about the 2020 election when it is obvious to anyone that it was fair and he lost.

4. Instigating the attack on The Capitol.

5. The continuos undermining of US democracy and human rights through the stacking of the Supreme Court and the placing of right wing, bible thumping cronies as judges and on federal boards.

6. His best mate Putin.        

   

 

22 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

UPDATE: CNN’s town hall with Donald Trump brought in 3.3 million viewers, enough for the network to beat its cable news rivals in the time slot and in primetime.

 

Old Trump sells, that's a given. The media will be sad when the time comes for Trump to leave the limelight.

 

https://deadline.com/2023/05/donald-trump-cnn-town-hall-ratings-1235363575/

If CNN televised a car wreck where people died you'd have 3.3 million tune in to see it too. People are drawn to that sort of stuff. Trump is a car wreck in a different way.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps people liked;

 

a/ no new wars

b/ killing terrorist leaders

c/ Middle East peace agreements

d/ 2% and sub 2% inflation

e/ continuously declining unemployment

f/ $2.00-2.50 a gallon gas

g/ sub 500,000 illegal immigrant apprehensions, quadrupled last year.

A /total surrender retreat betrayal of our Allies b/good we got one c/the Palestinians would strongly disagree d/a sugar high after the trump tax grift we will be paying for for many decades/e see item (d)f/ that pesky pandemic remember?there was such a glut of oil on the market they had no place to store it g/we are now reaping the rewards of the republicans refusing to advance legislation to revamp immigration laws hope that helps

18 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Maybe this will refresh your recall.

 

Please refer:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1294584-trump-ignites-fresh-controversy-after-outlandish-primetime-appearance-on-cnn/?do=findComment&comment=18082020

 

Trump spoke about the topic in the conference /O.P

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18 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Trump spoke about the topic in the conference /O.P

You mean the CNN Town Hall where Trump mostly lied?

 

The one where he defamed the female host and called the woman he sexually assaulted a "wack job"?

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You mean the CNN Town Hall where Trump mostly lied?

 

The one where he defamed the female host and called the woman he sexually assaulted a "wack job"?

I am not sure where the location of the conference was, but my point was that Trump spoke about the subject of reducing the National debt in the conference which is what this thread is about