Anyone been back to Australia for the forced 2 year exile to move pension to Thailand?

[georgegeorgia]

8 hours ago, itsari said:

It is what it is because nobody being ripped off by the Australian goverment is ready to do something about it .

Sadly that incudes my self.

I'm thinking when was this legislation brought in ? do we perhaps in all my wisdom I'm thinking during John Howard's era?

 

[Olmate]

11 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Does the same to me.

 

I outed him for posting he was on a vet's pension, and then posting he was on an aged pension, and you can't be on both, so then he started personally attacking me, but then reporting me to the Mods when he copped it back.  Weak as p*ss in my opinion.

 

11 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Yes he did the same to me 

I doubt though he is working for the "other " board ,he doesn't have the intelligence 

He just likes to insult posters then if they give it back , he shouts "you can't say that ,I can only insult you !!

Put me in ignore I have told him ...but no he won't ...then complains about my posts 

 

He is the type that watched a nude sex  tv show ,watched it right through ,mumbling "oh it disgusting isn't it , then after he watched it twice he complained to the tv station 

 Interesting choice you make for your partner in crime, bs buddies no less! Slim pickins for you tho. Too funny really tag team flaming and taunting mods.Watch out GG, maybe your the fallguy!! 

[itsari]

1 hour ago, georgegeorgia said:

I'm thinking when was this legislation brought in ? do we perhaps in all my wisdom I'm thinking during John Howard's era?

 

Ned Kelleys era I would say.

The draconian rules on portability of pension points earned  have never been challenged in a court of law. 

When you consider how many immigrants that have earned pension points and receive nothing due to the portability rules it is surprising that there has not been any challenge through the courts.

Just pure theft.

[Will27]

5 minutes ago, itsari said:

Ned Kelleys era I would say.

The draconian rules on portability of pension points earned  have never been challenged in a court of law. 

When you consider how many immigrants that have earned pension points and receive nothing due to the portability rules it is surprising that there has not been any challenge through the courts.

Just pure theft.

It's not fair at all.

It only applies depending on what country you're in.

 

I have a friend living in Greece who will be able to apply from there in a few years.

[KhunHeineken]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:32 AM, Will27 said:

It's not fair at all.

It only applies depending on what country you're in.

 

I have a friend living in Greece who will be able to apply from there in a few years.

Does your friend have dual citizenship?  If so, that may be the reason. 

 

[Will27]

4 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Does your friend have dual citizenship?  If so, that may be the reason. 

 

No she doesn't.

 

But she told me Australia had a reciprocal agreement with Greece so she can apply from there.

[KhunHeineken]

On 4/14/2024 at 1:25 AM, itsari said:

Ned Kelleys era I would say.

The draconian rules on portability of pension points earned  have never been challenged in a court of law. 

When you consider how many immigrants that have earned pension points and receive nothing due to the portability rules it is surprising that there has not been any challenge through the courts.

Just pure theft.

Why would you think that an Aussie who has lived and worked overseas for most of they life, without paying a cent of tax in Australia, be able to come home at 65 or 67 and put their hand out for the pension, just to turn around and leave again? 

 

That would be "just pure theft" from the Australian tax payers, and I suggest, that's what the 2 years is for.  When you look at it in this way, 2 years is generous, not to mention, the person receives the pension upon arrival. 

 

Where the 2 years is unfair is when someone lives and works and pays tax in Australia for most of their working life, then retires early overseas, say around late 50's,  and a few years later, come retirement age, are told they have to stay in Australia for 2 years to achieve portability. 

 

It appears the system is based on time, rather than the amount of tax paid.  Maybe something closer to the UK system would be fairer, where you can buy into the pension, regardless of geographic location, which is a little like our Super scheme. 

Edited May 5 by KhunHeineken

[KhunHeineken]

10 minutes ago, Will27 said:

No she doesn't.

 

But she told me Australia had a reciprocal agreement with Greece so she can apply from there.

Quite a few on the list.

 

https://www.dss.gov.au/about-the-department/international/international-social-security-agreements/current-international-social-security-agreements

[itsari]

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

Why would you think that an Aussie who has lived and worked overseas for most of they life, without paying a cent of tax in Australia, be able to come home at 65 or 67 and put their hand out for the pension, just to turn around and leave again? 

 

That would be "just pure theft" from the Australian tax payers, and I suggest, that's what the 2 years is for.  When you look at it in this way, 2 years is generous, not to mention, the person receives the pension upon arrival. 

 

Where the 2 years is unfair is when someone lives and works and pays tax in Australia for most of their working life, then retires early overseas, say around late 50's,  and a few years later, come retirement age, are told they have to stay in Australia for 2 years to achieve portability. 

 

It appears the system is based on time, rather than the amount of tax paid.  Maybe something closer to the UK system would be fairer, where you can buy into the pension, regardless of geographic location, which is a little like our Super scheme. 

I suggest you do not understand the portability rules. The 2 years is for avoid paying what they owe you. 

If you work in a country that has a social agreement with Australia then the years can be combined which was my situation . Yet to getr what i am owed from Australia i must live there for two years. No other western nation has such obstructions for receiving what you have paid for. 

[KhunHeineken]

8 minutes ago, itsari said:

I suggest you do not understand the portability rules. The 2 years is for avoid paying what they owe you. 

If you work in a country that has a social agreement with Australia then the years can be combined which was my situation . Yet to getr what i am owed from Australia i must live there for two years. No other western nation has such obstructions for receiving what you have paid for. 

Did you read my post?

 

I agreed with you to a point. 

 

Where I disagreed with you is having an Australia citizen who has lived and worked overseas most of their life, and never paid tax in Australia, return back to Australia at 65 or 67, receive the pension, and fly back out the next day.  I would see this as "just pure theft" from the Australian tax payers.  You seem to think it's fine, as if it's some kind of birthright.  In this case, what does the Australia government / tax payer "owe" this person?  Zero. 

 

They have to put something in place to stop the above.  They set it at 2 years.  I have suggested a perhaps more fairer system, based on "buying in" if overseas, or "paying in" in the form of tax, if inside Australia.  The UK has a similar system.    

 

I have posted a list of countries that Australia has a social security agreement with and Thailand is not one of them.  That's probably for another thread.