Longwood50 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 9 hours ago, Jingthing said: More like the opposite. Sorry, you can try to parse words however the fact remains that when archeologists find skeletol remains, they are identified as male or female. Not binary, transexual, gay, or lesbian, or any of the terminology that has about the same historical legitimacy as Kwanza. Purely make up and manufactured. I suggest that if a person is comfortable with who they are as a person, they certainly don't need the affirmation of others. Those that go way out of their way to post continually asking for confirmation from others to validate themselves seem to be craving the need for others to convince themselves. A person can say, oh my mother said I was part Indian and I have high cheek bones, and that does not make that person an Indian. A person today can "identify" as whatever they want. We use to call that "pretending" and that is exactly what it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Longwood50 said: Sorry, you can try to parse words however the fact remains that when archeologists find skeletol remains, they are identified as male or female. Not binary, transexual, gay, or lesbian, or any of the terminology that has about the same historical legitimacy as Kwanza. Purely make up and manufactured. I suggest that if a person is comfortable with who they are as a person, they certainly don't need the affirmation of others. Those that go way out of their way to post continually asking for confirmation from others to validate themselves seem to be craving the need for others to convince themselves. A person can say, oh my mother said I was part Indian and I have high cheek bones, and that does not make that person an Indian. A person today can "identify" as whatever they want. We use to call that "pretending" and that is exactly what it is. A lot of words but a fundamental FAILURE to acknowledge basic facts. Sex and Gender are NOT the same thing, We have no basis for discussion otherwise. You get to have opinions, but you don't get to make up your own facts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longwood50 Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: You get to have opinions, but you don't get to make up your own facts. You should tell the federal government your findings. Their forms clearly disagree with you. Game, Set, Match 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: You should tell the federal government your findings. Their forms clearly disagree with you. Game, Set, Match Hardly. Sex and Gender: What’s the Difference? (webmd.com) What Is Gender? Gender is a multi-faceted social system. Gender is largely based on society and culture. There are some consistencies, but it can be concluded that gender is not predetermined based on sex. Edited July 1, 2023 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Longwood50 Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Jingthing said: What Is Gender? Gender is a multi-faceted social system. Gender is largely based on society and culture. There are some consistencies, but it can be concluded that gender is not predetermined based on sex. What is Gender? Sounds like you could be a nominee for the Supreme Court. She couldn't answer what is a female. I suggest that you would do very well in those philosophical debates trying to determine how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I know this, there are two genders. They are assigned not by someones "self identity" but rather by their chromosones. There are only two combinations not an infiniate number. They are XX and XY. Not only does the federal government define Gender as Male and Female. So does Harvard, Now you can "identify" as a butterfly but it does not make you one. You can not choose or change your XX or XY chromosones. So while you can project yourself as anything you want, biologically you are either male or female. If you somehow believe differntly so be it. But you get to choose your own opinions but not your own science. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 7 minutes ago, Longwood50 said: What is Gender? Sounds like you could be a nominee for the Supreme Court. She couldn't answer what is a female. I suggest that you would do very well in those philosophical debates trying to determine how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I know this, there are two genders. They are assigned not by someones "self identity" but rather by their chromosones. There are only two combinations not an infiniate number. They are XX and XY. Not only does the federal government define Gender as Male and Female. So does Harvard, Now you can "identify" as a butterfly but it does not make you one. You can not choose or change your XX or XY chromosones. So while you can project yourself as anything you want, biologically you are either male or female. If you somehow believe differntly so be it. But you get to choose your own opinions but not your own science. Enjoy your willful ignorance. We have no basis for further discussion. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Jingthing said: Hardly. Sex and Gender: What’s the Difference? (webmd.com) What Is Gender? Gender is a multi-faceted social system. Gender is largely based on society and culture. There are some consistencies, but it can be concluded that gender is not predetermined based on sex. That makes sense, sex is real, gender is made up. When words are redefined for ideological reasons, it does not really change anything. Calling genital mutilation "gender affirming care" does not change the fact that genitals are mutilated. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: That makes sense, sex is real, gender is made up. When words are redefined for ideological reasons, it does not really change anything. Calling genital mutilation "gender affirming care" does not change the fact that genitals are mutilated. Just more scapegoating and demonization of non cisgender comforming people. It's hateful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jingthing said: non cisgender comforming people Is that not an oxymoron according to your diktats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 35 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: Is that not an oxymoron according to your diktats? I don't have diktats. Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 27 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I don't have diktats. Do you? I don't issue any "diktats" but you seem to do all the time to people who both resent and and feel offended by the ones you repeat over and over again! BTW; As usual you did not respond to the salient point of my post regarding the "oxymoron" element of my response to your oxymoron post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: I don't issue any "diktats" but you seem to do all the time to people who both resent and and feel offended by the ones you repeat over and over again! BTW; As usual you did not respond to the salient point of my post regarding the "oxymoron" element of my response to your oxymoron post! No obligation to respond to any post especially nonsensical ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scottiejohn Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 Just now, Jingthing said: No obligation to respond to any post especially nonsensical ones. So you make a "statement", which when challenged, you are not prepared to respond to in a gay and manly fashion! (pun/inuendo etc intended!)? I am beginning to think I should have omitted the "oxy" when I mentioned "oxymoron" wrt your earlier diatribes! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jacko45k Posted July 1, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2023 15 hours ago, Jingthing said: Enjoy your willful ignorance. We have no basis for further discussion. Is that the intellectual equivalent of taking your ball home? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Yellowtail Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, jacko45k said: Is that the intellectual equivalent of taking your ball home? Now you're bullying him/he/they/them. The ideology does not allow honest discussion. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 hours ago, jacko45k said: Is that the intellectual equivalent of taking your ball home? No. If you're talking to someone and you find that you don’t have a mutual basis grounded in reality, the discussion is over. In this case there needs to be mutual acknowledgement that biological sex is not the same thing as gender identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Now you're bullying him/he/they/them. The ideology does not allow honest discussion. The ideology? My pov is reality based. What's your ideology? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) Just now, Jingthing said: My pov is reality based. What is a "pov"? Is that yet another of your genders/terms? Edited July 2, 2023 by scottiejohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 minute ago, scottiejohn said: What is a "pov"? Is that yet another of your genders/terms? Point of view. You are projecting on me all your prejudices on this topic. Gender identity doesn't belong to me personally. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: No. If you're talking to someone and you find that you don’t have a mutual basis grounded in reality, the discussion is over. In this case there needs to be mutual acknowledgement that biological sex is not the same thing as gender identity. Do you agree that biological sex is fixed? Do you agree that gender is fixed? If so, I think we can all agree that "gender identity" can be whatever one wants, and it may or may not match one's gender/sex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The ideology? yes 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: My pov is reality based. your reality 6 minutes ago, Jingthing said: What's your ideology? The one that does not hide from discussion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Do you agree that biological sex is fixed? Do you agree that gender is fixed? If so, I think we can all agree that "gender identity" can be whatever one wants, and it may or may not match one's gender/sex. Biological sex at birth is fixed except when ambiguous. The rest of your post is incoherent so no response. Edited July 2, 2023 by Jingthing 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: yes your reality The one that does not hide from discussion. I understand it's a right wing talking point that discussion of gender identity as being a different thing than sex is an ideology. It is not. If you meet someone that says the earth is flat and you've provided sources proving its not and they still believe it's flat the discussion is over. Edited July 2, 2023 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stoner Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 7:51 PM, scottiejohn said: And ramming their "look at me I'm special/differently lettered! Why can't they stay amongst their own crowd and leave the majority of the world in peace? maybe we should put them into camps ? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 50 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Biological sex at birth is fixed except when ambiguous. As I understand it, ambiguous sex is fixed as well, it just fixed as ambiguous. 50 minutes ago, Jingthing said: The rest of your post is incoherent so no response. So, you are confused by the question, and are unable to answer whether gender is fixed or not fixed, correct? Neither can you answer whether or not "gender identity" can be whatever one wants, and it may or may not match one's gender/sex. Telling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowtail Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 58 minutes ago, Jingthing said: I understand it's a right wing talking point that discussion of gender identity as being a different thing than sex is an ideology. It is not. If you meet someone that says the earth is flat and you've provided sources proving its not and they still believe it's flat the discussion is over. No, the right wings talking point is that one ideology refuses to discuss "...gender identity as being a different thing than sex..." by not answering questions and pretending "proof" (i.e. left wing talking points) has already been presented. Unfortunately, trans people are just the left's victim du jour. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: As I understand it, ambiguous sex is fixed as well, it just fixed as ambiguous. So, you are confused by the question, and are unable to answer whether gender is fixed or not fixed, correct? Neither can you answer whether or not "gender identity" can be whatever one wants, and it may or may not match one's gender/sex. Telling Don't put words in my mouth. That is obnoxious 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: No, the right wings talking point is that one ideology refuses to discuss "...gender identity as being a different thing than sex..." by not answering questions and pretending "proof" (i.e. left wing talking points) has already been presented. Unfortunately, trans people are just the left's victim du jour. Another cynical right wing game. Persecuting a group and trying to gaslight that it isn't happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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